Tom Hill Haze

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Cool hope it makes it! Will have a good root system with 2 tap roots! I wouldn't breed with that plant though, it may be a mutation. Its common to have mutations in inbred lines (IBL).

 

[JKD]

I wouldn't breed with that plant though, it may be a mutation.

Unless it’s absolute fire. Then breed with it even if it grows toes.

 

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Week 2 of veg. Popped 4 more @MadMac THH seeds to complete the pack along with some Ace Malawi's and KA5H. Let's see.

 

[Lugo]

Tom Hill said: In order to have the best wine the vine must suffer
If anyone has eyeache looking at my tortured plants, please dont look at them. Tortured plants certainly teach plenty and faster than lab plants. This is a very good lesson from Master Tom

This is from @Huesos thread

It would be interesting to have Atreyu thinkings about it, he probably bets on Deep Chunk but I dont think so, Deep Chunk would have been dominant
@Raco
What do you think?

I had the luck to grow this Ancestral Skunk. I grew the Skunk x haze fro Cultivator Choice and it is a very resinous indica which cannot be grown in my environment. So for me the skunk in this release was the indica pheno

This is Ancestral Skunk sativa pheno. I think something coming from this line is in the mix.
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In the backrosses of Seedsman Haze I had a carnival of phenotypes I didnt expect. Most plants didnt look as expected
About the Punto Rojo fate at end of 80s, a reminder from Mama Coca.

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If you are seeing a leaf size Zamal in any Punto Rojo tag, it is obviously hybridized stock paraquat resistant weed. From this hybridized stock, males are not reliable. If you need to find one in 20, males are not going to be very reliable in those hybridized lines released from Colombia. Their new Corinto purple has 8 phenos and I bet they will find more. It is like modern paraguayan weed, a phenotype carnival of hybridized glyphosate resistant stock. The stock of the 80s is dead
Feliz Reyes everybody

90% of the flower coming out of Corinto is from clones which has maintained a uniform and steady supply of flower to feed national and int'l (within SA) demand for years.


As far as 80's stock being dead, well I respectfully disagree.


Cheers!

 

[led05]

Tom is very clear on the matter.

Thy Haze shall not be outcrossed!

There is a Haze hybrid thread after all ...

But isn’t His haze outcrossed to begin with….. ?

 

[jessethestoner]

Not according to him or many of the people who have grown out his haze.

Where did the idea his haze isnt pure come from?

 

[Sub24ox7]

It is VERY much different than the seedsman o. Haze line. Just my opinion…
The thh I grew had Thai smells and haze.
I can see where someone might think there was some sativa pollen donor. The leaves on thh start out fat at first unlike ANY seedsman o. Haze before getting skinny. Seedsman have thin blades from the start and slightly different terpene profile…
I’m not knocking thh.. I love it. Just an observation.

 

[herbgreen]

Listen to these interviews he answers alot...Great information...no question TomHill haze is what he says

 

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A couple of the THH I'm running ATM, and a VB164

 

[Nexus7]

But isn’t His haze outcrossed to begin with….. ?

Not if you ask Tom but as others have mentioned Tom's selection of Posi Haze is quite different to Seedsman OHz and even Nevil's Haze A and C selections. It's the final version of Haze (and the best according to Tom) with Haze being an ever moving and evolving line as stated by RCC. No doubt the original was a pure lumbo line.

My best guess is:

Haze C = true OHz circa '69 Colombian Red Dom

Haze A = thai stick / Haze C type

Seedsman OHz/ Haze 19 = Colombian Gold type circa '76

THH = The Four way Colombian/Sth Indian/Mex/Thai (heavy citric Thai dom) circa 1980

Just the way I see it. No authority on the subject just armchair detective work and not trying to cause anyone any offense and could well be wrong.

Peace,

N7

 

[JohnnyChicago]

It is VERY much different than the seedsman o. Haze line. Just my opinion…
The thh I grew had Thai smells and haze.
I can see where someone might think there was some sativa pollen donor. The leaves on thh start out fat at first unlike ANY seedsman o. Haze before getting skinny. Seedsman have thin blades from the start and slightly different terpene profile…
I’m not knocking thh.. I love it. Just an observation.

What you call Seedsman is not Seedsman OH, brother. It's my selection of Original Haze.
10 years of keeping clones and progeny testing.

I had 11-13 weekers WLD phenos in the Seedsman too. That I have simply not kept,or not shared. Had also stuff that was like smoking Columbian, Thai or indian. But if I want columbian or thai or a 12 weeker I grow columbian, thai and some Haze hybrid or Kush. Not pure Haze.

Tom has bought his seeds from Positronics. Not from SamS.
Todd who has bought his OH seeds directly from Sam, his do not look less WLD than Toms to me.

If Nevil and Sam reported both 10 weekers from the early generations of pure Original Haze seeds. And you preserve the seeds with open pollinations like Sam said he did. Isn't it inevitable these will get more dominant over the generations? If you don't take drastic counter measures?

 

[MAHA KALA]

Tom Hill told me that he grew many thai lines between 2000 and 2010, and he didnt find anything what would be equal to his heavy thai posi haze... he said he looked under every stone and nothing. all polluted and not like thai from 70s...

haze A is completely colombian dom, anything other is bullshit. there is occasionally thai pheno, like one in 1000 among all lumbo ones. stop that crazy bullshit and misinformation.

 

[@hempy]

Tom said and i Quote.

There was an earlier version sam passed around. You'll have to drag it out of him lol. When i met adam at thseeds mid90's there was this guy smoking a cerebral sandlewoody thing. I believe that to be one of sams earlier haze lots again drag it out of him if you can lol. I reckon that the one shanti ran with. But for me, the final incarnation when realized in all its glory was best. And that is the heavy citus thai green 4 way hybrid.

Tom has posted clearly stating his Haze that he got from under the counter at Posi was a Haze /Thai and very different to OHaze. Tom has posted clearly stating his Haze is Haze/Thai.

When did you become an expert on Nevils Haze Maha ?

Haze A was in Nevils wards a Thai leaning Haze as was the first Haze female the HzC is the Colombian side.

Ask people that got the 5HzA flower like Johnny in the early days in Amsterdam from the coffee shops it looked nothing like what is being called 5HzA today.

 

[Chi13]

Not according to him or many of the people who have grown out his haze.

Where did the idea his haze isnt pure come from?

I am confused by haze, but isn't it a multihybrid, not stabilised, with many versions?

 

[mexcurandero420]

It is VERY much different than the seedsman o. Haze line. Just my opinion…
The thh I grew had Thai smells and haze.
I can see where someone might think there was some sativa pollen donor. The leaves on thh start out fat at first unlike ANY seedsman o. Haze before getting skinny. Seedsman have thin blades from the start and slightly different terpene profile…
I’m not knocking thh.. I love it. Just an observation.

Seedsman Ohz seems to be more Colombian, not Thai.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I smoked a lot of nevilles haze, different cuts, and A5 too and the effect is colombian one, the same for ssh or amnesia... these pseodoexperts dont know what they are talking about. stupid nlhaze propaganda.

like Skunkman said, F1s of original haze were quite uniform, then it split into different lines... Nevil got colombian dom one... typical woody incense colombian.

I think Tom Hill said it clearly: "boring nevils lumbo shit" ....

 

[MAHA KALA]

Seedsman Ohz seems to be more Colombian, not Thai.

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you are absolutely right.

 

[mexcurandero420]

The catpiss Amnesia is more indica like.The incense Amnesia is more Colombian.

 

[MAHA KALA]

these things are known to you, to me and to many people. there is some thai in dutch for sure. but it is pretty rare. it is mostly colombian gold imo. some punto rojo too mixed in... and hint of mexican here and there too.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I also smoked hawaiian haze from abraxas, many times back in the days. as well as mexican haze from damkring, I think both contain Ahaze... I didnt experience any thaihaze effect.

I dont have anything against colombians, if somebody prefers it over other lines, okay and enjoy. but why to lie something is thai when it is not?