Thrips(lil worms) or something(white specks)

[Sauron The Blue]

nycdfan042: don't let a little pest interfere with the propagation of fine cannabis genetics. Pickup some spray or use some oil (sesame, fish, neem, etc) to slow them down, and apply some to the root zone to slow em down too. I used organocide (sesame oil) and mixed it at 30ml per gallon for a soil drench and 7-10ml per quart for a foliar spray. Pickup that garden spray as soon as ya can and give it a try, most pesticides you should never breathe in, always follow excessive safety precautions with all pesticides. I never used to use safety gear and once went into a buddies 10x20 room with 10 NPS strips hanging and was so strong that the day after all of our (four of us) noses had scabs inside em that sealed our nostrils shut for a few days - lesson learned. who knows that unseen or longterm damage pest/fungicides can do to you down the road.

Stay safe!
-stb

 

[nycdfan042]

^^ for sure.... ill be wearing eye protection anda rag ov er my mouth whenever i apply these pesticides....and as soon as monday comes i wil give em a good flushing with regular water, and foliar spray with reg water. And then illl order that spinosad and use it as directed, im sure ill pop on and ask kokua the exact application as son as it arrives.

On a good note the sm-90 and neem oil seems to have reduced them because in my usul daily surveying of the grow / bloom area i saw No fungus gnats & no lil wormies(obviously i didnt see every entire leaf surface but over all they seem to have retreated some what). I will await the cavalry(spinosad) and discontinue the use of sm-90 and neem oil till the help arrives), and see how it goes ive already done threee applications of both the need (foliar) and sm-90 (i used that first as a root drench and then as a light foliar before i got the need oil[1ts[/galon]).
tanks for the info STB K+ to all of you ! have a great sunday!!! im off to spend it with the fam out in the sun!! away fromt he PC!!!!! YES!!! beautiful day!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

Oh no it's not that harsh at all. Just wanted you to know that it has a lil kick but not bad. The plants actually do not show any affect from it but the thrips hitch out really fast.

Wow Sauron the Blue how do you stand the smell of the organicide. Made my grow room smell like dead fish. I still have a whole bottle ... just couldn't stand the smell.

 

[nycdfan042]

^^ yeai sleep very close to my VEG area i have it partitioned...so i cant really o anything harsh...is the spinosad bad to breath in?? i mean im like 3ft from the partition?

Mo' thanks again yea i guess im very inexperienced with dealing wit pests....i havent had problems ever...this is my first time dealing witht hese guys..the fungus gnats ive had for at least a good 6 months or more tho!

thanks again!!!

 

[Guest]

Naa I should clarify a little I think. First time I sprayed it I got a little backspray in my face and breathed it in. It kinda took my breath ... otherwise it is very user friendly. It has no residual smell or anything like that. Unlike the Organicide which smells like dead fish. I couldn't open my grow room with that stuff ... want a bottle

Those thrips can be a real bitch ... just when you think they are really gone they show back up. With this stuff they are gone fast. They may come back but you will have the cure. They are the only real pest I have ever had. Other than fungus gnats which never get bad enougth to affect my grow. Besides if Kokua uses it then I trust it. He is the one who let me know about it.

Take Care

 

[Sauron The Blue]

Mo'zArt - it sure does have a funky fish smell to it! i gotta leave my fans going full blast or it does make some stink in there thats for sure. Thanks for all the info on the spinosad too, never had thrips until the beginning of this year, and now ill always have a bottle of this stuff on hand just incase they come back!

 

[Guest]

Hey nycdfan and others. Go figure man, I just read this thread two days ago and when I look in on my ladies in veg what do I have? None other than these wormy bastards! Oh well, what can you do? I just went ahead and dowsed the room down with neem and will continue the process for the next few weeks. The thing that really sucks is that they seem to have hit my clone chamber hard. My clones have a bunch of them and I'm wondering if they're gonna pull through. I've been washing the leaves off by hand for now, just hoping they'll pull through and root for me. Keeping fingers crossed. If the neem doesn't work for one reason or another at least I know what to use now (spinosad). Thanks for the heads up with all this info. Best of luck combating these little buggers.

 

[sqwirl]

NYCDfan I appreciate you documenting this thread. I'm interested in how others deal with these little buggers. Keep posting, and letting us know how it goes.

Interested in all these sprays, but I still enjoy my pirate bugs.

 

[kokua]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1111497#post1111497

thrip control 101

 

[nycdfan042]

thank you kokua for the help, but i still have many questions...even after reading......well after havin a thorough conversation with baccas he tells me to forget the neem oil and sm-90 like most of you said ..and go str8 to a mosquito dunk ( he claims to just crumble up an entire disk over the plant-[this is where i think the info is alil twisted ..i dunno..he wouldnt give me a dosage and it seemed like pulling teeeth to get him to answer me, to be honest he seemed like he was ina bad mood]- but he tried i guess, even tho i had to ask him various times about the application[didnt seem to really give a fuck]. So he claims to crumble up th disk (with bare hands?) ontot he soil because he sasy i have to kill the larvae first. wich i totaly agree but i dunno if this is the best way to do it. Am i using the neem oil to weakly?? (2tsp per galon of distilled water, sprayed in a fine mist onto the bottom of theplants...cani use it as a rot drench also??)

He also spoke highly of the spino sad and said to spray that away on them also...but im still confused as fuck...the neem oil does nothingneither does the sm-90....ill be ordering spinosad very soon, but can someone help me udner stand these mosquito dunk?? is this shit bad?? i keep on hearing people say NOOO this is terrible andothers saying its theonly way to effectively kill the gnats n thrips. Baccas says a soil drench with mosquito dunk(and yes i asked various times and when he did finally answer me it was vague and very aloof, not that its his problem but i found it weird - he obviously doesnt like me orsomething). so i basically only took away fromthe conversation this : the mosquit dunks will kill the larvae wich in turn wont grow up to suck on my leaves....and the spino sad in a diluted spray bottle will kill the thrips...so i guess i have an idea of what to do..but im more confused now than ever.

My basic plans are to leave the plants who are flowering alone till harvest(theres nothing i can do and they are to pretty to cull)....once they are done ill clean the fuck out of the closet/bloom room(bleach soap/water etc) an then treat the veg side with spinosad and mosquito dunks(but is that safe?? ill be sleeping less than 2 ft fromthe veg section, while the bloom area is quarantined and disinfected-depested).....

can anyone give me alil more guidance i appreciate kokua for all the valuable resources and information but i just wanna know if this is the eright way to go....i think you were theone totaly against mosquito dunks. Since im tlakin about the veg side will the dunks work??? if so how do i aply them?? baccas seems to have neglected that part, he non-chalantly said crumble them up over the top soil and just drench it with water...does that sound right??(cuz to me it sounds kinda not kosher)...can someone please help???

im gonna read the above link kokua posted, and again thank you kokua for giving a damn and actualy helping.

 

[miss nycdf]

Here's the MSDS for the Monterey Insect Spray:

MONTEREY GARDEN INSECT SPRAY Page 1 of 4 Issue Date: 05/02
SECTION 1. PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
Chemical Product
MONTEREY GARDEN INSECT SPRAY
EPA Reg. No. 62719-314-54705
Common Name: Liquid insecticide.
Chemical Description: Spinosad.
TSCA/CAS No.: This product is a mixture – there is no specific CAS No.
Manufactured For
Lawn and Garden Products, Inc.
P. O. Box 35000
Fresno, CA 93745-5000
Emergency Phone Numbers
Emergency Telephone: DAYS: (559) 499-2100 EVES.: (559) 435-2163
CHEMTREC (24-Hour Emergency Number): (800) 424-9300
EPA National Response Center: (800) 424-8802
SECTION 2. INGREDIENTS
CHEMICAL CAS NO. % TLV OR PEL RQ (lbs)
Spinosad Spinosyn A 131929-60-7 0.5 *N.A. *N.P.
Spinosyn D 131929-63-0
Inert Ingredients, Total Including: 99.5
Propylene Glycol 57-55-6 Proprietary N.A. N.P.
* N.A. - Not Available.
* N.P. - Not Pertinent.
SECTION 3. EMERGENCY/HAZARDS OVERVIEW
Off-white to tan liquid suspension with low odor. May cause eye irritation. Product is toxic to molluscs and bees. Not D.O.T. regulated.
HEALTH: 1 REACTIVITY: 0 FLAMMABILITY: 0 ENVIRONMENT: 0
(0=Insignificant 1=Slight 2=Moderate 3=High 4=Extreme)
SECTION 4. FIRST AID
Eyes: Hold eyes open and rinse slowly and gently with water for 15-20 minutes. Remove contact lenses, if present, after the first 5 minutes, then continue rinsing eyes. Call a poison control center or doctor for treatment advice.
Skin: Take off contaminated clothing. Rinse skin immediately with plenty of water for 15-20 minutes. Call a poison control center or doctor for treatment advice.
Ingestion: Call a poison control center or doctor immediately for treatment advice. Have person sip a glass of water if able to swallow. Do not induce vomiting unless told to do so by the poison control center or doctor. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person.
MONTEREY GARDEN INSECT SPRAY Page 2 of 4 Issue Date: 05/02
SECTION 4. FIRST AID (Continued)
Inhalation: Move person to fresh air. If person is not breathing, call 911 or ambulance, then give artificial respiration, preferably by mouth-to-mouth. Call a poison control center or doctor for further treatment advice.
NOTE TO PHYSICIAN: No specific antidote. Supportive care. Treatment based on judgment of the physician in response to reactions of the patient.
SECTION 5. FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARDS
Flash Point: Not determined (aqueous suspension).
Test Method: Not applicable.
LEL Flammable Limits: Not determined.
UEL Flammable Limits: Not determined.
Autoignition Temperature: Not determined.
Flammability Classification: Noncombustible.
Known Hazardous Products of Combustion: Not known.
Properties that Initiate/Contribute to Intensity of Fire: None.
Potential For Dust Explosion: None.
Reactions that Release Flammable Gases or Vapors: Not known.
Potential For Release of Flammable Vapors: None.
Unusual Fire & Explosion Hazards: Under fire conditions some components of this product may decompose. The smoke may contain unidentified toxic and/or irritating compounds.
Extinguishing Media: Water fog, carbon dioxide, dry chemical or foam.
Special Firefighting Procedures: Wear positive pressure, self-contained breathing apparatus and full protective clothing. Avoid smoke inhalation. Contain any liquid runoff.
SECTION 6. SPILLS AND LEAKS
Containment: Prevent product spillage from entering drinking water supplies or streams.
Clean Up: Collect liquid or absorb onto absorbent material and package for disposal.
Evacuation: Not necessary.
SECTION 7. STORAGE AND HANDLING
Storage: Store in original container only in a cool, well-ventilated, dry place at temperatures above 40oF. Do not store near food or feeds. Do not stack pallets more than two (2) high.
Transfer Equipment: Transfer product using chemical-resistant plastic or stainless steel tanks, pumps, valves, etc.
Work/Hygienic Practices: Keep out of reach of children. Avoid contact with eyes, on skin or on clothing. Avoid breathing vapor or spray mists. Wear long-sleeved shirt and pants, waterproof gloves and shoes plus socks. Wash with soap and water after handling. Remove contaminated clothing and wash clothing before reuse. Do not contaminate feed and foodstuffs.
SECTION 8. PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
Eyes: Chemical dust/splash goggles or full-face shield to prevent eye contact. As a general rule, do not wear contact lenses when handling.
Skin: Impervious gloves and clothes.
MONTEREY GARDEN INSECT SPRAY Page 3 of 4 Issue Date: 05/02
SECTION 8. PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (Continued)
Respiratory: Not normally needed. If use generates an aerosol mist or respiratory irritation, use NIOSH-approved dust/mist respirator (such as 3M #8710).
Ventilation: Recommended but no TLV established.
SECTION 9. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL DATA
Appearance: Off-white to light tan liquid.
Odor: Low odor.
pH: Not available.
Vapor Pressure: Similar to water.
Vapor Density (Air=1): Not available.
Boiling Point: 212°F (100°C).
Freezing Point: Not available.
Water Solubility: Dispersible.
Density: 1.09 g/ml.
Evaporation Rate: Not determined.
Viscosity: Not available.
% Volatile: Not available.
Octanol/Water Partition Coefficient: Not available.
Saturated Vapor Concentration: Not available.
SECTION 10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
Stability: Thermally stable at typical use temperatures. Some componenets of this product can decompose at elevated temperatures.
Conditions To Avoid: None known.
Incompatibility: None known.
Hazardous Decomposition Products: Hazardous decomposition products depend on temperature, air supply, and the presence of other materials.
Hazardous Polymerization: Not known to occur.
SECTION 11. POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS
Acute Effects:
Eyes: May cause slight eye irritation.
Skin: Prolonged exposure is not likely to cause significant skin irritation. A single prolonged exposure is not likely to result in the material being absorbed through skin in harmful amounts. Did not cause allergic skin reactions when tested with guinea pigs. LD50 (Rabbits) > 5000 mg/kg.
Ingestion: Single dose oral toxicity is extremely low. The oral LD50 for rats and mice is >5000 mg/kg. No hazards anticipated from swallowing small amounts incidental to normal handling operations.
Inhalation: Single exposure to concentrate mist is not likely to cause adverse effects.
Systemic (Other In animals, has been shown to cause vacuolation of cells in various tissues and
Target Organ) Effects: changes in blood and serum biochemistry. Dose levels producing these effects were
many times higher than any dose levels expected from exposure due to use.
Cancer Information: For Spinosad, laboratory animal studies were negative.
Teteratology: Spinosad did not cause birth defects in laboratory animals.
Reproductive Effects: For Spinosad, in laboratory animal studies, effects on reproduction have been seen only at doses that produced significant toxicity to the parent animals.
MONTEREY GARDEN INSECT SPRAY Page 4 of 4 Issue Date: 05/02
SECTION 12. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Algal/Lemna Growth Inhibition: Not known.
Toxicity to Fish and Invertebrates: Highly toxic to marine mollusks on an acute basis. Moderate or slightly toxic to fish.
Toxicity to Plants: Not known.
Toxicity in Birds: Practically non-toxic to birds on an acute basis.
SECTION 13. DISPOSAL
Do not contaminate lakes, streams, ponds, estuaries, oceans or other waters by discharge of waste effluents or equipment washwaters. Dispose of waste effluents in accordance with state and local waste disposal regulations. Also, chemical additions or other alterations of this product may invalidate any disposal information in this MSDS. Therefore, consult local waste regulators for proper disposal.
SECTION 14. TRANSPORTATION
D.O.T.: Not D.O.T. Regulated.
Other Shipping Description: Insecticides and Fungicides, Liquid.
NMFC Item 102120, LTL Class 60
SECTION 15. REGULATORY INFORMATION
CERCLA: None.
SARA TITLE III, Section 313 Toxic Chemicals: None.
PROPOSITION 65 (CA): None.
STATE RIGHT-TO-KNOW:
Chemical Name CAS No. LIST
1,2-Propanediol
(Propylene Glycol) 57-55-6 PA1
PA1 = Pennsylvania Hazardous Substance (present at > or = to 1.0%)
SECTION 16. OTHER
All information appearing in this document was based on data provided by third party sources and was compiled to comply with the Federal Hazard Communication Standard and the California Hazardous Substances Information and Training Act. The information is believed to be accurate as of the preparation date, but is not warranted as being the final authority in the use of this product. This information does not purport to be legal or medical advice.

 

[nycdfan042]

spinosad..bye bye thrip fux

spinosad..bye bye thrip fux

spinosad is on order!! SHOULD GO OUT MONDAY!! Im pretty lucky i get my stuff from the faaast 18.89 shipped for the qt bottle...now how do i apply it kokua??

 

[kokua]

mosquito dunks are control for thirp larvae in the soil...

The active ingredient in mosquito dunks is bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) is a naturally occurring bacterial disease of insects, perfectly 100% natural

The downside to the mosquito dunks is that Bt is susceptible to degradation by sunlight. Most formulations persist on foliage less than a week following application. Some of the newer strains developed for mosquito control become ineffective in about 24 hours. In addition...Bt-based products tend to have a shorter shelf life than other insecticides. Manufacturers generally indicate reduced effectiveness after two to three years of storage. Shelf life is greatest when storage conditions are cool, dry and out of direct sunlight. My problem is that I don't know how long my garden center has had them on their shelves...and I don't even want to think about how old they were before they put them on their shelves...(how long was it at the mfr and distributor?)

Bottom line...I have used MD with moderate to good success and other times I have used them and seen nothing. I attribute this to the 'shelf life' and old product.

baccus is right on with his advice...you can cruble and sprinkle MD's on the foliage and in the soil. And depending on the 'freshness' of the dunks...you might see some posative results. BUT NOTHING LIKE WHAT THE SPINOSAD OFFERS.

Nowadays...I put the mosquito dunks in the same group as the sm-90's and pyrethrins and soaps and all that other stuff that works...but none even come close to the effectiveness of the spinosad for thrips.

 

[kokua]

...now how do i apply it kokua??

just like the bottle says... Make sure and apply as thoroughly as possible when using any insecticide...top and bottom of EVERY LEAF, or as close to that as humanly possible

Glad to hear your worries are finally over nycdfan!! Sit back, relax, smoke a spliff...your nightmares are over. :happyday: lol

 

[psuedonym]

anyone having luck finding spinosad source in western Canada?

sold as Success 480, Entrust, GF-140 (or 120?)

 

[Patsheba]

How about these things at harvest? Most of my crop was in (thank god), but during last week, they showed up. I have been harvesting remaining 2 (moms) today, clipping all leaves to go straight into slow cooker with some oil thinking the cooking will kill any on them, and a thorough straining get others; but will they remain on the hanging buds? (only 1 has what appears 1/4-1/3 infested leaves). I'm thinking the bugs are thrips or a whitefly (have not seen little wigglies under pots, only under leaves).

I don't wanna spoil the whole batch! Will they eat during curing? Migrate to other hanging spots they haven't got to yet? Sorry, but in process, need to know asap.

 

[nycdfan042]

^^ sorry dudee i need more information about the critter...probably the monterey spray will work...but you need to identify exactly what insect pest it is

 

[Patsheba]

The primary reason I'm thinking white fly is the absence of little wiggly things under pots and an organic gardener neighbor removed and destroyed a tree because sent to Dept. of Agrigculture by their order.

I found this on them, but not too much else other than industrial pesticides:

http://whiteflies.ifas.ufl.edu/wfly0086.htm

Dept. of Agriculture also recommends you destroy any fruits/veg.s from severely infested crops. Only mine isn't severe, just affected a bit here at the end.

We have bad eyesight, and our 20x lighted magnifier is not enough for distinguish to us which species we have, and for obvious reasons; we do not wish to send to DoA (which an organic non -mmj garden neighbor did with a bug that got their tree last summer, and it was whitefly).

I have treated the 6 babies from these moms (in room, different section-seem unaffected) with organicide, and will flush soil in too in case it is thrips and not white fly. It seems the main difference I'm thinking is that thrip infects the soil, while the white fly only lives in plant matter. I say this because for home owners who get whitefly, DoA for organic recommends you remove all plant material, including roots of all infected plants, and do not replace with possible whitefly food plants for several months after last sign of any.

Hence my concern for the harvested bud.

 

[HeadyPete]

First off, big kudos to Kokua for the spinosad tip. I had thrips, got some Monterey Garden Spray, 1 application killed them all, haven't seen any since!

Spinosad is a natural soil bacteria that only affects certain insects, like thrips and worms like caterpillars. It is organic and 100% safe for mammals. Keep away from fish.

If you have fungus gnats (one of the easiest pests to deal with, IMHO), the mosquito dunks or anything with BTi is effective and safe, but I really like beneficial nemetodes. They will not only eat the gnat larvae, stopping the life cycle, but attack dozens of other harmful pests, organisms, molds and fungis.....they will clean your entire soil zone of any pathogens and it is because of that that I prefer them over all others.

With that said, when I had gnats I used a mosquito Dunk type product because I had it on hand, but thought it was too old to be effective and ordered nemetodes right away. Well the BTi worked like a charm and I never had to use the nems, which I am out $40 bucks on, but will use on my lawn outside to kill june bug, jap beetle and tons of other grubs and pests.

Cheers.

 

[HeadyPete]

Pat, do your fan leaves have white/silvery "scratches" or markings on them, like this?:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=61807

This is thrips so use the Spinosad if so.