The recent invention of cannabis botany is a scam

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There is no cannabis botany. Just botany. The recent invention of cannabis botany is a tool to exploit the cattle, it's a marketing strategy to get you to spend more money on products than you would need to. It's also there to create problems in your grow which you need more products to correct. In the end you have mediocre weed, and are dependant like slaves on corporate seed banks.

Cannabis is a c3 softwood, short-day plant, and is grown accordingly. The plant is unique, just as any other plant, but its environment it developed in (the earth) is not special to cannabis alone, but to all plant life.

You dont have to be the cattle.

 

[goingrey]

Makes about as much sense as saying there are no pizzerias, only restaurants, some of them just only sell pizza.

 

[Porky82]

I feel like now

 

[•Moby•]

Many plants are very different from each other and have different needs.
Surely there is cannabis botany.

You might be able to grow something with very old seeds in wild soil but you wouldn't have fun smoking that compared to what we have today so surely the work of the existing vendors is much appreciated, otherwise we'd still smoke the same stuff over and over.

Fem seeds are a tool that's used by most people and makes your life much easier as simple home grower.
You can keep mother's alive for decades by buying just one seed each without the need to buy new seeds.

If your point is that there's no or almost no regular seeds on the big commercial websites, I also think it's frustrating but why should they just throw out all their hard work for everyone to use?

I appreciate the hell out of vendors who sell plenty of regular seeds but looking at the sales, prices and what most people want, it totally makes sense to sell fem seeds

 

[kro-magnon]

There is many brands selling useless products but having serious research about cannabis is pretty new so there is some possible progress to get the best out of each seeds.
I have used for years the organic line from GHE( now called Terra Aquatica in EU), they have many different bottles but you don't have to use all of them to get good smoke, with 3 of their products and a decent soil you're good(grow/bloom/bloom supplement). Growers need to educate themselves about what a cannabis plant needs to thrive and read the composition of the nutrients sold.

 

[aCBD]

Many plants are very different from each other and have different needs.
Surely there is cannabis botany.

You might be able to grow something with very old seeds in wild soil but you wouldn't have fun smoking that compared to what we have today so surely the work of the existing vendors is much appreciated, otherwise we'd still smoke the same stuff over and over.

Fem seeds are a tool that's used by most people and makes your life much easier as simple home grower.
You can keep mother's alive for decades by buying just one seed each without the need to buy new seeds.

If your point is that there's no or almost no regular seeds on the big commercial websites, I also think it's frustrating but why should they just throw out all their hard work for everyone to use?

I appreciate the hell out of vendors who sell plenty of regular seeds but looking at the sales, prices and what most people want, it totally makes sense to sell fem seeds

I agree, feminized seeds are useful in a way. Not everybody has the space to plant seeds and spending time and energy in growing regulars to have a 50/50 chance.
When fem seeds came up, several banks offered their lines in both regular and feminized but the trend to just self a clone and pollinate another clone did change that. Generally speaking you need a male and female to create a line so why are they not offering them as regular too. Because many just can't.
Only a few seedbanks still do regular versions which is a shame.
From a genetic point of view i think there is more variety in a pack of regulars, with the possibility to dive into a pool of expressions after F2.
What we have today? A lot of feminized varieties that genetically hit the wall, they just need to smell good and have a high that lasts an hour and the extract needs to smell and taste like the fart of a princess.. a lot of crap out there..

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

Oh no, another click bait title and provoking post. U having a bad day or need people to talk?


Are you really saying, there is no plant specific botany? If so, you should just open a book. The science behind it isn't monetarizing. Its what people do about it and what people are accepting, often caused by lack of information. Same goes for you my friend. But analysing botanical traits of Cannabis sativa is valid. Whats your problem with that?

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

Or maybe give examples of what you mean and dont give such vague statements

 

[aCBD]

There is no cannabis botany. Just botany. The recent invention of cannabis botany is a tool to exploit the cattle, it's a marketing strategy to get you to spend more money on products than you would need to. It's also there to create problems in your grow which you need more products to correct. In the end you have mediocre weed, and are dependant like slaves on corporate seed banks.

Cannabis is a c3 softwood, short-day plant, and is grown accordingly. The plant is unique, just as any other plant, but its environment it developed in (the earth) is not special to cannabis alone, but to all plant life.

You dont have to be the cattle.

Please show us your plants. You sound like you have it all figured out. They must be stellar. It's weed.. it'll grow with almost no care and nobody needs 10 bottles of nutrients to fight problems the first bottle created.

 

[led05]

AG is AG is AG - go look at my plants, the dood is right y’all - I grow everything from herbs to fruit to veggies to orchids to succulents to cactus to wasabi to…… etc, well the proof is in the pudding & I’ve got plenty of it

Woo woo juice is real & the cannabis space is marketed to the extreme and priced 3-5X accordingly, been this way for decades… chasing your tails as I like to say

Yes cannabis is a unique extremely interesting species but it effectively grows the same as other C3 plants and most plants in general want the same things and they don’t have to cost an arm and a leg I think is the point he’s trying to make - KISS Principle

PS: I buy my minerals/fertilizer by the pallet / Ton

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

You are not wrong there. But what our uneducated friend is stating there is just wrong or just clickbait. Or at least very unspecific.

Well its [the market] kinda what always happens, when people lack information, education or the effort to produce something themselves. We can see that all over the places. Good example would be protein supplemental industry. Noone needs that crap and you could just eat right, but people want it easy and with funny colors, so they are willing to pay more.

I think its a lot of marketing, but most people who grow do it for results and are not so much into the process. And you should know what you doing. Giving cheap high nitrogen in mid flower is in the end more expensive than buying a sparkling bottle. And thats kinda also what "(Cannabis) botany" is about. Knowing morphological, physiological traits and maybe even taxonomy.

Its to easy to put an upcoming scientific field into a corner and call it marketing. But sadly thats what our friend here does very often ...

And for me stupid: Could someone show me where there "cannabis botany" was recently intented? I cant find a lot about it

 

[Fuel]

Very simple.
Take the BBCH of cannabis and use it for tomatoes. Good luck ^^

 

[PlastikeRubba]

And for me stupid: Could someone show me where there "cannabis botany" was recently intented? I cant find a lot about it

15 years ago everyone knew weed as an unparalleled medicinal herb that would easily cripple the pharmaceutical empire. No one used the stupid fucking word terpene or believed the goverment when they were hey said weed was getting stronger.

Today we have the opposite. Fake spook/poser/dope dealer/virtue signal fraud scammer scumbag botany telling us weed is thc and lemon peel extract and was never a medicine that soothed.

https://academic.oup.com/plphys/article/184/1/8/6117827?searchresult=1

You get info the 2020s and it becomes really obvious that the new cannabis experts are nothing but industry plants and junior boomer fake-it frauds. They all use the same bullshit language. In the last 3 months I've heard the medicine in Cannabis is along the lines of the medicinal value of garlic. Where do people get this fake shit from? They just repeat it like the god damned mainstream news!

 

[Rgd]

alleles, recumbent..get these words outta my face..I can barely tolerate punnet square.,,,[semi jk]

They all use the same ANNOYING bullshit language.

fixed

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

15 years ago everyone knew weed as an unparalleled medicinal herb that would easily cripple the pharmaceutical empire. No one used the stupid fucking word terpene or believed the goverment when they were hey said weed was getting stronger.

Today we have the opposite. Fake spook/poser/dope dealer/virtue signal fraud scammer scumbag botany telling us weed is thc and lemon peel extract and was never a medicine that soothed.

https://academic.oup.com/plphys/article/184/1/8/6117827?searchresult=1

You get info the 2020s and it becomes really obvious that the new cannabis experts are nothing but industry plants and junior boomer fake-it frauds. They all use the same bullshit language. In the last 3 months I've heard the medicine in Cannabis is along the lines of the medicinal value of garlic. Where do people get this fake shit from? They just repeat it like the god damned mainstream news!

Hm havent come across most of what u talking about. Just coz people suck up the bs some scammers publish, doesnt mean the scientific community is a scam. There is loads of valid data, even on terpenes and those Things. Just coz we dont like the results, doesnt mean the data is wrong

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

alleles, recumbent..get these words outta my face..I can barely tolerate punnet square.,,,[semi jk]



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Dont get it

 

[Rgd]

Dont get it

they are terms cannabis botanical "scientists "use...not your words..it helps show my scientific cannabis irreverence....and" punnet square" was thrown in for more humour

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

Ah got it ^^

 

[aCBD]

Hm havent come across most of what u talking about. Just coz people suck up the bs some scammers publish, doesnt mean the scientific community is a scam. There is loads of valid data, even on terpenes and those Things. Just coz we dont like the results, doesnt mean the data is wrong

30 years ago: This shit smells dope!
Today: The terpenes are extraordinary.


There is research going on and we learn more and more about the plant. That research was very limited before legalization imo. We only know so much and maybe in a year we know more and that's science.

Is everything true just because Bugbee or H. Smith say so and have a lot of clicks on their videos? No.
Was everything right in Jorge Cervantes books? No.
Although, not everything was/is wrong and there is a lot to learn and research to be done. A lot of room for discussions and for trial and error which finally leads to experience, for the science department and for the grower out there.
Everybody can pick up what fits their beliefs and that's not restricted to only the plant but for everything in life.
Depends if we are open to new ideas or not.
I'm an old fart, grew up on a farm and don't have a scientific approach, I just see with my eyes what works and what not and I'm sure that many grower do it the same way.

Can totally understand the frustration of what some scientists publish.
I better end it here..

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

Nah, I am with you on that. Just coz we are nowadays able to analyse it by scientific standards, doesnt mean observation is worthless. Selection of best crops and farming was always an observational study and its absolutely awesome where we are by now. Not the last decades, but the 8000 years before that. Someway down the road the industry fcke d it all up, buts thats another story.

And yeah, there is so much unscientific stuff out there from back in the days. Just reading DJ shorts book and I stumbled across something that left me a little irritated. He states: There is no ruderalis / autoflowering. It was just by selecting the earliest flowering over a few generations. Which is absolutely wrong. We have genetic tests for that, the taxonomy was rewritten, we can proof all of that. Not that they were dumb back then, but they were lacking knowledge and technique.

Back then as today, everyone has to question and evaluate sources. There are predatory journals without any peer review and you always have to check the methodology.

And you can always do your own tests, but if you are not sticking to the basic scientific methods, bias is enourmous and the results are worthless ...

I dont think we have a problem with "science" but with evaluating scientific publications.