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Thoughts on the war
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Can I just ask, do you really believe a comedian/actor actually said "I need ammo not a ride" and that if he did, it wasnt scripted? A known comedian/actor/tv personality. All fed to you by the same people who make your favourite action movies. Do you actually believe that was real and genuine?
(Asking for a friend, whos worked in tv/film and theatre for two decades☺)
Sure, given that he was a comedian it's very believable he made such a glib comment like that By the way it's not because of that comment that I feel he's demonstrated good leadership but more by how when he went to Germany (I think) and shamed most of the European leaders into action and then seeing many of them do near complete turn arounds on their positions from not doing much to being fully supportive of Ukraine is why I think he's shown good leadership. He's not playing the typical political game, he's being real with people.
where DID ol' GayusMarryus go to? i was wondering and asking, but got zero responses.
Hitler supposedly shot himself with a pistol in his Berlin bunker. Putin is probably wanting to go out with a much bigger "BANG!" than poor ol' Adolph had on hand. "won't let me dominate the world? i'll show YOU!" ☢ dammit! no nuclear mushroom cloud emoji. what kind of website IS this, anyway?
Budz Lightyear
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Hitler supposedly shot himself with a pistol in his Berlin bunker. Putin is probably wanting to go out with a much bigger "BANG!" than poor ol' Adolph had on hand. "won't let me dominate the world? i'll show YOU!" ☢ dammit! no nuclear mushroom cloud emoji. what kind of website IS this, anyway?
Yeah you could be right but that makes more sense for just a power crazed warmonger like Hitler was and it could be that is all Putin is and the bit about wanting to restore Russia to the former glory of the USSR could turn out to just be a cover for his more Hitler like inclinations. However I'm leaning more to the belief it is about restoring the USSR and therefore about his legacy. I mean I've been hearing that's been Putin's wet dream ever since he was forced to moonlight as a cab driver in the early days after the USSR fell and even that poorly timed fluff piece that audiohi shared, reflects that desire. So if that's the case going out with a nuclear bang plays more like the spoiled kid who takes all his toys and goes home when he doesn't get his way which wouldn't be much of a legacy to go out on.
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brickweeder
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this is not really a war against ukraine, its a war against the US/NATO that is taking place on the ukraine battlefield. The Chess Players are russia and the us and ukraine is one small square on the global chessboard. If he wanted to level the place, that would have happened. If you really think it won't snowball, wait a month or so until after they are done with their operation. people can only go so long without food and water in this "just-in-time delivery" world we live in. The US and Nato are seething, and russia won't back down. So this is not going away even after ukraine is broken up. The real war will likely occur after that when retaliation to the ever increasing sanctions occur, retaliation to the retaliation occurs, and so on and so forth. Don't be surprised to see the currency and petro-dollar peg targeted. This one is not like like any other recent war, russia's strength is its natural resources, and I think it will revalue those resources away from western fiat currencies, which will lead to massive inflation and shortages of all kinds in the very near future.The inflation we have experienced thus far will be thought fondly of in the future. The US has the most powerful conventional military in the world, but that means absolutely nothing when if it goes nuclear. Nato is scared. Thats why zelensky, in frustration, said yesterday that because of natos weakness, more ukranian blood will be spilled when they decided not to put up a no fly zone...they hung zelensky out to dry. Think about it. If Nato or the US wont institute a no fly zone because as they admitted they don't want to go to war with russia, what chance does a few stingers and malatovs by scattered ukranian forces have again them? Honestly, the game has changed, and Nato is struggling how to respond. There are some really close redlines, like instant declaration of war if a no fly zone is instituted. We are so close to disaster and the majority of folks don't see what is right in front of their eyes because all they are doing is reading headlines. Regarding nukes, swift cutoff is considered the nuclear option in financial war, which hopefully isn't foreshadowing. If any side goes to nukes, everyone loses, and at that point, it doesn't matter if he has a posthumous victory or defeat. If you go beyond headlines and tv newscasts, you will see what I mean. But I sincerely hope your serious doubts are correct and that I am vastly overreacting (maybe I watched battlestar galactica too many times).
If there is even a small chance that I am correct, then what would you do to prepare for crazy times ahead? Whatever that is, now is the time to do it.
gizmo666
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in the uk i suppose we could stock up on catapults
i dont really think if it came to a nuclear war there will be many left to prepare for anything
as for the thoughts of a post nuclear world ...............maybe just maybe it might be better not to survive
brickweeder
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Do you mean these kind of catapults?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cfeTZNcA3g
if we will have shortages and a currency crisis, what would you do now?
well, he's not much of a human being either, so maybe that "legacy" would work for him. i've always wondered something...if a nutjob ordered a first-strike nuclear attack, would his commanders actually launch, knowing that their own families & countries would be devastated? i'm not so sure. yeah, orders might be given but who really wants that to happen? in the US missile silos, both operators have to turn their keys simultaneously. if either one says "fuck that noise" the balloon aint going up. how many Russian submarine execs, silo crews etc have families & would like to watch them grow up? i believe that either side would have to convince those controlling nuclear weapons that the OTHER side had already launched in order to get them to follow orders myself...i've been wrong before.
I wouldn't do much of anything, if it comes to a nuclear war as you correctly noted everyone loses. For the vast majority that means trying to cling to life in a post nuclear war world will be worse then just perishing in a nuclear war. The most likely outcome for the greatest number of people would be death by starvation and that is a slow, painful and very unpleasant death. To really have a shot at any kind of a comfortable life (relatively speaking) one would need to be among the top 1% of the wealthy with enough foresight to invest in the best nuclear bomb shelter money can buy. You know, like the ones being crafted out of abandoned missile silos that were designed to withstand nuclear strikes and are being built to house communities of people with all the food, water and recreational distractions to survive for years. I'm on the exact opposite end of that spectrum and as such for me, trying to survive a nuclear holocaust would be about the stupidest thing I could do. Fortunately for me I live close enough to key military and government targets that in the event of a nuclear war even if I tried to escape during the relatively brief amount of warning time most people would have, I'll likely die in an instant, vaporized by the initial blast ring from a strike on the Washington DC area. At best if I made an attempt to escape I would die that death in my car rather then in the comfort of my home. Even if I were fortunate enough to be able to afford a place in one of those luxury bomb shelters for the rich and famous, I'm not sure I'd want to go that route. People are screwed up enough already in how they treat one another, I kind of doubt I'd like to see what people will become living in close quarters in a post nuclear war inside of a missile silo or other equally protected shelter for several years and no option to get away from that environment.
Now as for the war going on in Ukraine, yeah I agree that's pretty much all just a ruse to try to provoke a much bigger, broader conflict. Putin seems to have been clearly trying to provoke NATO and the US to engage in a way that he could legitimately declare a broader war and if we don't bite and let him get away with it, then he ends up getting Ukraine absorbed into Russia just as he has wanted but then what? Once he has that there is not a move he can make where he doesn't end up giving NATO and the US the justification to declare all out war on Russia and that would result pretty much the same way as if we or NATO gave him the provocation with the result either way eventually being a nuclear holocaust that would be about as close to an extinction level event to the world as is possible. The one unexpectant event has been the strong opposition the Ukrainians have been putting up. This has had the effect of putting him in the position of having to commit far more military resources into Ukraine then he initially planned. The way I see it there are one of two likely outcomes either Ukraine continues to put up a stiff resistance while NATO and the US continue to not give Putin the excuse he needs and with the withering sanctions making it impossible to keep it up much longer, either Russia will turn on Putin take him out and end the war or Putin stays in power but is forced to admit defeat and retreat back to Russia. The other likely outcome (which unfortunately seems the path Putin is on) is that in response to the resistance Russia will have to keep turning the heat up on civilians and wipe out most of the infrastructure and population in Ukraine. At some point down that path (but hopefully after nearly all Russia's military might, minus nukes, is deployed in Ukraine) NATO and the US will be forced to declare war on Russia in order to prevent Ukraine from being wiped off the map. At that point the combined might out NATO would be able to make short work of the Russian forces leaving Russia with nothing left to work with but nukes. What happens at that point will depend largely on diplomacy and the Russian people. The important thing for NATO to do is to resist the urge to carry the war over into Russia unless of course they end up launching nukes. It will be critical for the Russian people to see that all they will be suffering thru is at the hands of Putin and his aggression towards Ukraine that many of the Russian people are already upset with. It will be critical for the Russian people to see and believe that without Putin or someone of a similar mindset running things they can emerge as still being a sovereign and respected nation with a chance to live harmoniously with the rest of the world.. If we go after Putin to aggressively it would likely turn Putin into a Martyr and that in turn would turn the Russian people against NATO much the same way Russia being successful at taking the Ukrainian President out via assassination would turn Ukraine against Russia even more fiercely then they already are now.
There is also a major wildcard that has yet to be played and that is China. China has been pretty much noncommittal so far because if it went the way Russia had hoped it would at first then that doesn't mess up China's long range plans. If that worked out (which it obviously isn't) then Russia and China together could go about decoupling the US dollar from oil and replace it with gold back Yuan which would be devastating for all of the world and living them to emerge as the only super powers (them being China and Russia). The way it's going now though would leave China to accomplish that all by itself which they might be able to do eventually anyway but right now they probably couldn't pull it off alone. The smarter move in my opinion would be for China to step in before NATO might declare war on Russia and save the world from disaster by reining Russia in thereby allowing Russia to lick it's wounds so that they could try again in the future. Plus it would have the added bonus of giving China some really good PR as the world's savior.
gaiusmarius had a stroke just after new year - and he has not been well - I have had some communication with him - and he is getting better - but has lost some memory that he hope's will return in time - I wish him a fast recovery -
Yeah I would like to believe that's true as well but the problem is how well informed are those people who actually have to launch? Maybe it wouldn't be too difficult to trick them into believing it was a retaliatory strike rather then a first strike? There is definitely good reason for those turning the keys to think long and hard because the only chance at preventing a retaliatory strike would be to have a first strike so devastatingly large that the net result would still probably destroy most if not all of civilization. Maybe not all at one as a strike/counterstrike might do but over an extended period due to radiation poisoning, nuclear winter and any unforeseen impacts on the planet itself in the form of impacts to tectonic plate shifts and the earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that could trigger. Plus even if they could take out all the land based missile sites in a first strike there is still the subs to contend with. Also if it came down to a major strike even if the US didn't return fire most likely someone else will. Plus in the event of a nuclear launch II feel like that fat little fucker in N. Korea would launch a few just so he wouldn't be left out.
That's some pretty sad news, I never really cared for his posts very much but I'd never wish a stroke on anyone...well maybe accept Putin but definitely nobody from this site. I'll add him to my prayers
I will communicate the concern and good wishes to him if and when I get a reply from him - from a message I sent to gaiusmarius just this morning HempKat - I too have suffered some memory loss due to prolonged heat exposure when jailed - so we both have this affliction in common -
Sorry to hear that, I mean I had heard you spent some time in jail but this is the first I've heard of you having long lasting damage from it. Now not meaning to minimize that but as bad as it is for someone to do something to you that causes that kind of a problem it just seems way worse when your own body turns on you to cause that sort of thing.
I must say though that is rpomising he's communicating with you via messages and has stated he feels like he's getting better then that's very good news for his prognosis. My wife has a half sister how suffered a bad stroke and she's been reduced to having the mind of a young child for years even though she is in her 60's and it is unlikely she'll ever improve.
Yes - it is kinda odd when my wife or an ex-partner - sister/brother or a friend reminisces about some given situation in the past - that I was a part of - and I have no memory at all of it - luckily its just bits and pieces out of the greater fabric of my memory that I cannot remember - most is still intact - from what I can make of it -
Today (Sunday) - I'm taking 2 of my kids (11 and 13 years old) to The Imperial War Museum in London - since it is important for them to know the history of mans inhumanity to men and women and children by war - being's as it's quite a topical subject for them to learn about - in these times -
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Yeah I've always believed in that saying which goes something like “Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.” You know Gypsy, you might not be suffering from the effects of being exposed to too much heat, it could just be an age thing, I mean you're not a spring chicken anymore
. I remember when reading up on the subject of memory seeing stuff that suggests as time goes by we actually forget more then we realize but we don't notice it too much because we kind of fill in the blanks subconsciously and this is one of the theories behind what is known as the Mandela Effect. So if we can fill in our memories with bits and pieces of false information it seems equally possible we can just forget certain things and not fill in the blanks with false info. Now if only we could just figure out how to control what we forget and what false information gets filled in, then we could all die having lived glorious lives. 
Speaking of forgetting, I should have mentioned this earlier, feel free to pass on the concern and good wishes to Gaiusmarius but I'm not sure if he would even remember me, we never really interacted that much. He might just only remember my name as one he's seen in the past.
