This one's for you DHF!

[DHF]

Messin with yer plants is a "learned" thingy so as ta not stunt their ass and cause recovery time till they start blastin off again.......that said.....

I always vegged with horizontal light till I put em in the flower/flip rooms with the bare bulbs and they exploded during stretch........so.....

Durin veg I trimmed out all the sucker branches and flarfy bullshit directly off the main laterals as they popped up all the way through end of stretch so as to develop dominant lateral limbs and top colas for full swellage durin late bloom till end of cycle.....

Openin em up with the chickenwire to help em breathe/transpire and get rid of excess humidity is key with bigger plants to remove the possibilities of airborn nasties formin.........but........

You runnin different aged plants at the same time is an "X" factor cuz the late bloomin bitches need waaaay "less" humidity till end of cycle to prevent pm , grey mold/botyritis , budrot , as to where the plants during stretch NEED the excess humidity to be all they can be during stretch to build rootmass AND foliage/budsites before full swellage mode.......so.....

I`ve always preached no perpetual in the same room cuz there`s gonna be sacrifices in environment that will guaranteed affect bottomline yields....... but......as far as less wattage ?........

50 watts per sq ft minimum at all times in the bloom rooms.....now.......if yas had the newer dimmable ballasts yas could dial em down some since your setup`s 8.5' x 8.5' and set em at 36-3750 watts and maintain till they caught up , but I`m not sure you`d benefit much from less amperage draw compared to less lumen penetration and absorption......so......

Doin it`s the only wayta really know and benefit from it Bro.......that said........The proper 50/50 sat/ind hybrid is yer friend for the yields and quality with bigger plants JD......and......sounds like yas got 2 winners in the cindy and casey jones hybrids........anyways...

Good luck and holler if I can help........

Peace.....DHF.................

 

[johndoe123]

So this is my what the fuck I learned update.

1) hydroton and big pots do not go together way to much weight in the bottom of the pot.... So now I use bout an inch of perlite.
2) 70/30 coco to perlite was way to much of a mix the water just poured though it.... Now the mix is 80/20 coco to perlite. I also top dress with straight coco to keep the perlite from raising to the top of the pot... The reason for perlite is with such big pots I was worried about the coco compacting.
3) big plants equal reduced trimming time. I have never trimmed plants this fast.
4) Cheesy Jones pheno is a growers wet dream to trim. 3 hours and 22zips all by myself....
5)I have been feeding with a modified Rez/head formula with dripclean and various organics. Dripclean is awesome!

Well so far off three plants I'm setting at 66zips. Just waiting for the express to dry then I will have a first run tally.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Johndoe, if you're able to source them, I suggest substituting rice hulls for the perlite.

 

[johndoe123]

Nice I never thought about rice hulls... At work it is used as an insulator to keep the steel molten and from hardening over on the top of the pour out dish.....

 

[watts]

I don't feel the need for perlite in coco except for younger seedlings or clones if anything. You may find the same is true eventually unless you're just using oversized containers. Coco really doesn't need huge pots.

 

[Anti]

This is a beautiful show you've got here. Thank you for sharing!

 

[Mister_D]

So this is my what the fuck I learned update.

1) hydroton and big pots do not go together way to much weight in the bottom of the pot.... So now I use bout an inch of perlite.
2) 70/30 coco to perlite was way to much of a mix the water just poured though it.... Now the mix is 80/20 coco to perlite. I also top dress with straight coco to keep the perlite from raising to the top of the pot... The reason for perlite is with such big pots I was worried about the coco compacting.
3) big plants equal reduced trimming time. I have never trimmed plants this fast.
4) Cheesy Jones pheno is a growers wet dream to trim. 3 hours and 22zips all by myself....
5)I have been feeding with a modified Rez/head formula with dripclean and various organics. Dripclean is awesome!

Well so far off three plants I'm setting at 66zips. Just waiting for the express to dry then I will have a first run tally.

I've been using "floor-dry" from napa as a replacment for perlite for a few years now. It's cheaper (~7 bucks for 1.5 cuft), works way better, and doesn't break down like perlite. There is a thread about it here on the mag, and if you search for floor-dry and bonsai gardening, you will find it's been a popular media for many years. Rice hulls work excelllent also

By the way on your yield

 

[bobblehead]

Idk how you can trim up a big plant faster than multiple single cola plants where the only stem is running down the middle of the plant, surrounded by buds... But nice show!

 

[DHF]

Perlite bottom layers have the tendency to compact and break down as D mentioned , form a barrier that`ll push juice to the sides and not pass thru , and generally turn to hard mush if not maintained through run after run.....

I ran an aerated mix with stringy shit , chunks , and perlite but I made sure the medium was watered in bigtime once the plants were up-potted to the final containers , jam packed tight down to prevent feed from running right through , and top dressed with the coarse/chunky perlite for an "air layer" around the mainstems ......

I`d liketa see yas do a blumat "Maxi" grow with big plants JD , but the right mix and gravity fed setup would haveta be in place to equal and or surpass whatchas `re doin right now , although there`s much room for improvement and increased yield in your setup......anyways.....

As Dbro and Sea said......Rice hulls if available , and or floor dry from Napa Auto Parts works too........

Hope Harvey`s good to yas this run and better as yas keep rollin........and yeah Bobbles......Donkey dicks are donkey dicks.......regardless of where they come from........

Peace......DHF...........

 

[SeaMaiden]

Nice I never thought about rice hulls... At work it is used as an insulator to keep the steel molten and from hardening over on the top of the pour out dish.....

Ok, now I'm curious what you do for work.

This serves as inspiration for when I fire up the indoor again.
and

 

[johndoe123]

I've been using "floor-dry" from napa as a replacment for perlite for a few years now. It's cheaper (~7 bucks for 1.5 cuft), works way better, and doesn't break down like perlite. There is a thread about it here on the mag, and if you search for floor-dry and bonsai gardening, you will find it's been a popular media for many years. Rice hulls work excelllent also

By the way on your yield

I thought about floor dry. My only concern is these damn pots weigh so much already that it's a back breaker to move them around. I worked in a wire mill making barb wire in the past and remember floor dry being pretty heavy vs. perlite. And thank you for the respect bro! I'm always trying to up my game so I can come play with the big dawgs!

 

[johndoe123]

To bobbleheads comment, bro I think more than anything it was easier to get the flarf off a big plant that I can really get into and work with vs. aero tables and what not I ran in the past. It was always hard to get all the suckers off the middle plants.

Boy I ripped a bowl of that cheesy express pheno and fuck.... Great hashy skunky taste to it with trich coverage to rival the white.... Truly a knock out stone. I will get pictures of bud shots when I borrow my bro's better camera.

Oh.... And in my former life I was handed a raw 3000 degree ladle full of steel to work into a specific grade/quality on a stringent timeline to keep the shop running smoothly.... Oh ladle size was about 250 tons.... No small potatoes....

So one change this round is I am going to take out the different fox farm granular boosters I have been using and tryout bloombastic everyone raves about... Any users? Does 1ml per gallon sound bout right dosage?

 

[johndoe123]

DHF I have thought about the maxi blumat operation. What has had me on the fence is I use liquid karma at 10ml a gallon up to week 6 or so of flower. Will it flow through the lines and out the pores without issues? Also I would need a pump for mixing as it likes to settle in the bottom of the res. I like to add great white mycos for the first three weeks of flower also. I already use drip clean. The layer of perlite at the bottom of the pot is because sometimes I hit them w enough juice to leave standing water in the pan under the pot. It's not a huge deal as it is usually sucked up in the first few hours of lights on

 

[johndoe123]

Merry Christmas all my ICmag brothers and may everyone be blessed in the new year. Family has had me super busy but I will do my best to hit y'all with some killer updates. And a special thanks to you DHF! you are my insperation and because of you I got 5lbs 5oz of fire donkey dicks......

 

[DHF]

Merry Christmas all my ICmag brothers and may everyone be blessed in the new year. Family has had me super busy but I will do my best to hit y'all with some killer updates. And a special thanks to you DHF! you are my insperation and because of you I got 5lbs 5oz of fire donkey dicks......

Happy Ho Ho Bro......always glad ta help.....

Peace.....DHF.........

 

[johndoe123]

It's about time for some updates and smoke reviews.

One of the Cindy 99s about 4 weeks into flower

Cheesy jones pheno. This ones huge!

A cured by shot of Cindy 99. It's my all day weed for sure. No burnout feeling, no ceiling on the high. Taste is pineapple with musk fruity undertones. It's not the densest bud but she really yields well

This is the cheesy jones pheno. Smell is grape funky candy. Taste is spot on sour grape candy. She sugared up well and yielded great also! By far the fastest most robust growth I have seen from a plant. The buzz is upbeat, a bit spacey. On the comedown munches and a bit of tiredness has been noted.

Well I was calling this one cheesy express but changed the pheno name to cheesy d. All I can say is wow! This plant is for sure spot on skunky diesel goodness on every level. The taste has more sour goodness than I have gotten from Rez sd ibl, hortilabs super sour skunk, of rp's sour kush. Buzz is heavy it hits you right between the eyes. The high is soaring from the first rip. Too much and it will put ya down and out on the couch.

 

[Teresa]

Very nice

 

[DHF]

Very nice

You better quit sneakin up on me lil girl............

Always missin my T........and.....Top shelf job JD.........

Peace.....Freds.............