Thermo Seeking Vans

[ureapwhatusow]

the federal government is allowing leo to access any and all military and government owned technology such as satalite thermal imaging and giving them training

its being done under the guise of homeland security

it is illegal to use ir as proof without aa warrant but that onlyu applies to RESIDENTIAL not commercial or industrial property

 

[green_tea]

you cant use it to get a warrant or to "start an investigation" but that does NOT mean they don't use it.

Id still like to say that they would use it to illegally start an investigation, and that fruit poison stuff doesn't matter, because how are you going to prove that in court? (that the start of their investigation was from a FLIR image) no way to prove that unless you get a loyal cop on the stand to tell the truth (unlikely, I have cops in the family; they would lie on the stand if it meant making it easier to get a criminal in jail; say what you want, but a lot of cops feel that pot is a BAD DRUG, so they will think they are doing this world a favor by lying.)


If you get busted, it all just comes down to having a real good lawyer, IMO


everybody here is assuming we live under a LEGIT government. WE DON'T; Our Government is corrupt, no way to deny that, so don't think for one second that they wouldn't break the law to convict you.

 

[Macster2]

Do you not think that my lawyer is not going to cross examine the copper that was in charge of the case on a step by step explanation of how he got to the bust.And if he smells something the least dubious pounce all over it.Or if suspicious circumstances come up through discovery, my lawyer isn't going to for a motion to suppress this evidence ? based on illegally obtained evidence.

 

[TGT]

It's funny how when your doing something wrong that it seems everyone is noticing you. I remember when I first started buying. I would pick up an oz and the whole ride home I was watching for cops and paranoid as all hell. I would have sweat dripping from my brow by the time I got home lol. After a few times and then picking up larger, it just got routine and I worried less and less. Now it's nothing for me to drive with 5 pounds in my trunk.

When I think about it, I believe this is how people become sloppy and do stupid things. As soon as the paranoia levels off and gets below a certain threshold, it gets very easy to forget how serious things can be. I believe if your in this business you have to retain a slight amount of paranoia. It keeps you safe and on your toes. Too much is not healthy and as someone stated already, if it's your day, there is nothing you can do, so why sweat it. Take all the percautions possible, and be done with it

Just my 2 cents.

TGT

 

[Guest]

Does this seem plausible?

Cop:
1. Recieves tip from FLIR chopper/van. (aka informant or anonymous tip)
2. Checks electricity usage.
3. Does knock and talk (insert bullshit excuse hear)
4. If he says he smells marijuana, your done!

If your case goes to trial nobody is ever going to mention line 1 or 2, chances are you will take a plea.

 

[nezbud]

damn. i've been holding off on the growing because of this 1 matter.
i will be doing a "Mills Pride" like setup with active carbon scrubber out to the room. i live in a metropolitan area. but i'm only on the 3fl of a 8 floor building.
can someone give me some advice as to if this will be to sketchy to do. or will i be ok?

thanks in advance.

nez

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Evidence talks louder than bullshit paranoia.

Everyone is entitled to see the evidence they have against you.

Show me one pic/video of a flir scan of a marijuana grow operation.. just ONE.

The fact you cant find a single one to back any of the paranoid speculation talk means the world.

When its illegal to run around random searching with flir theres no way you can budget for that. When you need a warrant to flir in the first place and the fact they are notorious for giving false readings from furnaces and stoves means their use in law enforcement is limited.

If you are going to bother dumping a hundreds of thousands of dollars on flir technology why do something dumb and mount it to a van, especially when you already have a state patrol helicopter?

LOL Verite. Remember this argument? Let's not go down this road again... I thought it was a good debate, though our definition of evidence clearly differs. I agree with you about putting all that technology into a van. LoL. That sounds like a Polish invention of sorts. (no offence to the Polish )
IMO it is not wise to under-estimate the simple fact, in the US, and in certain (more urban) areas there is a signifigant prescence of IR equipped helicopters. I know where I live police helicopters often fly over head. Who is to say if they are using the IR or not at any given time. For this reason, especially if you grow commercially, it SHOULD be in your mind. You should'nt have any obvious heat signatures. You also don't have to worry about any DEA vans parked outside that can see inside your home. There's a happy medium.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

....interesting read folks...thanks...

(pointless posts to get pm power)

 

[KharmaGirl]

You know how you're supposed to read the TOU before joining? If you actually had, you would know that is it against site policy to make posts simply to get to 50 posts, and if you do post simply to increase your count, those posts will be deleted.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Well I guess I should have read that...my bad....

course i joined in 2004 so i'm a little foggy on the details of the TOS. Anyway i'm done wasting space.

 

[Verite]

LOL Verite. Remember this argument? Let's not go down this road again... I thought it was a good debate, though our definition of evidence clearly differs. I agree with you about putting all that technology into a van. LoL. That sounds like a Polish invention of sorts. (no offence to the Polish )
IMO it is not wise to under-estimate the simple fact, in the US, and in certain (more urban) areas there is a signifigant prescence of IR equipped helicopters. I know where I live police helicopters often fly over head. Who is to say if they are using the IR or not at any given time. For this reason, especially if you grow commercially, it SHOULD be in your mind. You should'nt have any obvious heat signatures. You also don't have to worry about any DEA vans parked outside that can see inside your home. There's a happy medium.

No worries bro .. the road dead ended the last time when I asked for one shred of any evidence and none was found back then either. Any home in the US is built with full insulation so there isnt going to be anything more than a warm signature for the entire room which could be a furnace, water heater, water boiler, stove, hibernating bear, etc.

When it costs anywhere from a few hundred to a couple thousand dollars PER HOUR to keep a helicopter in the air I will bet my money they arent wasting that money joy riding illegal activities that dont turn up decent/accurate information. At least in my state I know thats a fact.

 

[ChronicChemist]

I remember an article about how the military in Afganistan was having problems because the locals were using the MJ to block the military's FLIR...so if you are worried about getting busted by flir just cover your house in ganja plants!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6052270.stm

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

No worries bro .. the road dead ended the last time when I asked for one shred of any evidence and none was found back then either. Any home in the US is built with full insulation so there isnt going to be anything more than a warm signature for the entire room which could be a furnace, water heater, water boiler, stove, hibernating bear, etc.

When it costs anywhere from a few hundred to a couple thousand dollars PER HOUR to keep a helicopter in the air I will bet my money they arent wasting that money joy riding illegal activities that dont turn up decent/accurate information. At least in my state I know thats a fact.

VERITE'S EVIDENCE​

http://vbgov.com/vgn.aspx?vgnextoid...9dc54cf18ad9010VgnVCM100000870b640aRCRD&ct=ne

Lol. IMHO this is evidence that FLIR was successfully used to bust a marijuana grow operation. I understand that these guys were doing something very wrong to get a chopper on them, but the point is that FLIR successfully obtained a search warrant.
I disagree about an insulated home not giving off anything more than a warm signature.

Especially this part:

"Because of the positive results of the use of the FLIR, a search warrant was obtained for the residence and barn located on that property."​

 

[Verite]

Hahahaahh .. too funny .. you can put any shit you like in any font size you like and its still not what I was asking for last time and not what I was asking for this time.

You do know the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results?? Dont you?

Do you want me to use a larger font size when I ask again for pictures or video of FLIR evidence used in a marijuana bust?? Do you understand simple requests when they are a normal font size?

And once again I will tell you the FLIR mentioned in the Virginia Beach case was used after their security was blown by an informant.

And if you think a barn is going to have the same insulation as a house dwelling then you should invest in tin foil helmets.

For someone that didnt want to go down the same road you seem a little too eager to commit to the same proofless BS. You proved nothing last time and when you dont find all those pictures and video of FLIR used in MJ busts [ cause we all know how often its used ] .. you will have proved nothing this time either.

 

[HairyPlumz]

They used meth vans around cali, they roll around sniffing out meth labs with senstive detectors "on top of the van" desinged to look for the chemicals in the air used in the procsess of cooking dope im not sure of the effectivness of these vans but it must do somthing cause it had to cost alot of money

 

[green_tea]

They used meth vans around cali, they roll around sniffing out meth labs with senstive detectors "on top of the van" desinged to look for the chemicals in the air used in the procsess of cooking dope im not sure of the effectivness of these vans but it must do somthing cause it had to cost alot of money

these work, its proven scientific tech.

they probably intake the air as they are driving around, and do some gas tests on it.

Certian chemicals when burned will produce different color bands in the spectrum. each raw element has a different color band when being burned.

Since there are a lot of raw elements being used to cook meth, it would be easy to detect an abnormally large amount of say Chlorine in the air.

Not sure how the tech works in the van, but I have a feeling its much more advanced and made to go real quick with specialized testing equipment.

But its possible.

 

[Guest]

true or false...
FLIR only works at night...
daylight makes infared detection impossible,
...according to jorge cervantes of HT anyways..
flower during the day...
or if you HAVE to flower at night buy a roll of 35mm kodak infared film and
see what signature you are leaving
hi Verite, i happen to know of a barn thats better insulated than most houses
so there are exceptions to the rule
peace

 

[ExEcutioner]

Look Green Tea is right.

Plenty of Cops and feds have used illegally gathered evidence in court, and guess what? the judge is the law, and he/she does what they want to. Crooked Judges will uphold the evidence just because they want to.

Im pretty sure that I know there is someone on these boards that will tell you from personal exp that cops violated the law i.e. knock and talk, you no consent and they come in anyway. and the judge still allows the evidence.

A judge dosent give a fuck about witholding the law for a "drug dealing criminal that hurts society".

never trust the corrupt ass gov to tell you what they will and wont allow as far as evidence.

Your best bet is to insulate and watch your exaust

I want to see a thread about how to properly vent your exhaust out of your home.

Cops aren't stupid, when they "accidentally" know you are growing through flir or however else they find out. They will bust their asses to find a way to bust you, because that fills their big ass egos and they want to be the one that made a bust.

 

[Guest]

true or false?

 

[ExEcutioner]

I know that FLIR does work durnig the day, but not nearly as effective as night becauswe at night everything is so much cooler.

Correct me if im wrong,:
Too many things are legitimately hot during the day and will give a bad reading, or there might not be much contrast between things the sun heats during the day and the growroom heat