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The Trump Countdown Thread

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Cannavore

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unfortunately im not a link clicker. but seriously, people i meet in real life who wish to discuss politics, i ask them to draw a political left/right scale like the one i made in MS Paint and posted a couple pages ago before the discussion. it's pretty illuminating as most people no matter what side they claim seem to have a different understanding of things.

for instance i did this with one of my friends that i've known for 15+ years now and he made some sketchy choices which explained a lot of his politics in my opinion. plus understanding what media sources he gets his politcs from. for instance he thinks the left/antifa are fascists and his #1 news source is tim pool.

people who post in these threads should open up MS Paint and make a quick left to right scale where you think certain ideologies like capitalism, fascism, anarchism, communism, socialism, and whatever else you feel is important as well as the political parties or whatever else you want to add fall from left to right.

for instance here is in chart form, like i posted a few pages back in response to packer, how i see US politics and i'd be happy to discuss it further if needed

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Cool Moe

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Read this today on The Atlantic website. It's an opinion piece about how continually lying for Trump to support his alternate reality likely causes a precipitous decline in the serial prevaricator's mental health over time.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/lying-trump-comes-cost/616496/


"The president, the Republican Party, and its campaign machine are collectively seeking to create a completely false picture of the world. This isn’t just a matter of wishful thinking or a few white lies. The president’s campaign staff needs voters to believe that the pandemic is over, or else that it never mattered; that 200,000 people did not really die; that schools aren’t closed; that shops aren’t boarded up; that nothing much happened to the economy; that America is ever more respected around the world; that climate change isn’t real; that the U.S. has no legitimate protesters, only violent thugs who have been paid by secretive groups. This fantasy has to be repeated every day, in multiple forms, on Fox News, in GOP Facebook ads, on websites like RedState. Inevitably, it will affect people’s brains."
 

Absolem

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I don't see people's political beliefs as linear.

It should be put into a pie chart and each political ideology should be given a percentage to the individual's beliefs.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Stephen Fry, speaking at the Festival For Dangerous Ideas in Sydney in 2018, said. ‘A grand canyon has opened up in our world,’ he said, ‘and the cracks grow wider every day. As it widens, the armies on each side shriek more and more incontinently at their perceived enemies across the divide, their gestures and insults ever huger, cruder and louder.’

And he concluded: ‘If someone is behaving like an arsehole, it isn’t cancelled out by you behaving like an arsehole. Be better. Not better than they are. But better than you are. The shouting, the kicking, the name calling, spitting hatred, the dogmatic distrust, all have to stop.’
 

Zeez

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Inappropriate labels are not helpful.
Even people who are very 'company line' still have variations in opinions on individual issues.

The graphic above is deceptive because the middle is not where we are now and shows no trending. Compare the number and type of billionaire business owners now compared to thirty years ago. Look at how their individual efforts to steer politics overwhelm many millions of other individuals and how their unscrupulous greed has decimated small businesses. I believe this is a characteristic of fascism and it is getting worse.
 

Switcher56

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Stephen Fry, speaking at the Festival For Dangerous Ideas in Sydney in 2018, said. ‘A grand canyon has opened up in our world,’ he said, ‘and the cracks grow wider every day. As it widens, the armies on each side shriek more and more incontinently at their perceived enemies across the divide, their gestures and insults ever huger, cruder and louder.’

And he concluded: ‘If someone is behaving like an arsehole, it isn’t cancelled out by you behaving like an arsehole. Be better. Not better than they are. But better than you are. The shouting, the kicking, the name calling, spitting hatred, the dogmatic distrust, all have to stop.’

Do onto others as you would want done onto you!
 

minds_I

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Hello all,

A cut and paste: Enjoy trumphumpers, this is your guy...makin' ya proud, ay?


The “billionaire” who hides his tax returns
The “genius” who hides his college grades
The “philanthropist” who defrauded his own charity
The “patriot” who dodged the draft
The “tough guy strong man“ who wears makeup and hairspray
The “totally innocent man” who refuses to testify
The “President” who takes no responsibility at all
The “businessman” who bankrupted casinos and lost over $1B in 10 yrs.
The “Christian” who doesn’t go to church
The “deal maker” who has yet to close a deal
Trump University: FRAUD
Trump Foundation: FRAUD
Trump Airline: FAIL
Trump Taj Mahal: FAIL
Trump Steaks: FAIL
Trump Vitamins: FAIL
Trump Mortgages: FAIL
The Trump Network: FAIL
Trump Plaza Casino: FAIL
Trump Hotels, Casinos, Resorts: FAIL
Trump Entertainment Resorts: FAIL
Trump Plaza Hotel: FAIL
Trump Travel GoTrump: FAIL
Trump vodka: FAIL
Trump’s Castle: FAIL
Trumped! Radio: FAIL
Trump New Media: FAIL
Trump Spring Water: FAIL
Trump: The Game: FAIL
Trump On The Ocean: FAIL
Trump NJ Generals: FAIL
Trump Tour De Trump: FAIL
Trump Panama: FAIL
Trump Toronto: FAIL
Trump SoHo: FAIL
Trump Place: FAIL
Trump Magazine: FAIL
Protect our soldiers: FAIL
Make Mexico pay for a wall: FAIL
Puerto Rica: FAIL
COVID-19: FAIL
Repeal Obamacare: FAIL
G7: FAIL
Reduce US debt: FAIL
Big infrastructure plan: FAIL
Denuclearize North Korea: FAIL
Paris Climate Accord: FAIL
Deport 11 million illegals: FAIL
Resolve DACA: FAIL
Resolve DREAMERS: FAIL
Work hard/No time to golf: FAIL
Show his taxes: FAIL
Revive coal country: FAIL
Bigger and better healthcare for all: FAIL
Drain the Swamp: FAIL
Daily security Briefings: Fail
Hire only the best/brightest: FAIL
Eliminate government corruption: FAIL
Federal Forests management: FAIL
Bring back manufacturing: FAIL
U.S. Presidency: Impeached
U.S. Presidency: FAIL
Dignity: FAIL
Morality: FAIL
Empathy: FAIL
Humanity: FAIL
Integrity: FAIL
Decency: FAIL
Sympathy: FAIL
Common Sense: FAIL
Compassion: FAIL
Transparency: FAIL
Honesty: FAIL
Racism: FAIL
Reverence: FAIL
Reading and Comprehension: FAIL
NATO: FAIL
United Nations: FAIL
20,000 Lies and counting: FAIL
Tax cut for wealthy people: SUCCESS
Record for Presidential lies: SUCCESS
Dividing the Nation more than anyone since the Civil War: SUCCESS
Separate families and put their children in cages at the border: SUCCESS

Appointees Comments:

"What a f****** imbecile." -- Rupert Murdoch, owner FOX News

"Dumb as s***" -- Gary Cohn, Economic Advisor

"An idiot with the intelligence of a kindergartner" -- H.R. McMaster, National Security Advisor

"A f****** moron" -- Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State

"He has the knowledge of a 5th or 6th grader." -- James Mattis, Secretary of Defense

"An idiot surrounded by clowns" -- Gary Cohn, Economic Advisor

"An idiot" -- John Kelly, Chief of Staff

"A dope" -- H.R. McMaster, National Security Advisor

"An idiot" -- Reince Preibus, Chief of Staff

"A supreme sexist.”—Barbara Res, former executive vice-president of Trump Organization, who also said “he thinks he’s God.”

“Like an 11-year-old child”— Steve Bannon. The now estranged advisor also allegedly complained that he was “sick of being a wet nurse to a 71-year-old man.”

Working with Trump is “like trying to figure out what a child wants”—White House deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh.

“The White House has become an adult day care center”—Republican senator Bob Corker of Tennessee

“Morally unfit to be president,” “unethical” and “untethered to truth”—former FBI director James Comey, who also compared the US president to a mafia boss.

More to consider from the swamp:
Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort was found guilty and sent to PRISON

Trump's "first" personal lawyer, Mike Cohen pleaded guilty and was sent to PRISON

Trump's "personal fixer" , Roger Stone , has been FOUND GUILTY and sentenced to 3 years and 4 months in federal PRISON

Trump’s former deputy campaign chairman , Rick Gates pleaded guilty and was sent to PRISON

Trump's campaign aide , George Papadopoulas , pleaded guilty and was sent to PRISON

Trump's National Security advisor , Mike Flynn, PLEADED GUILTY of lying to the FBI

Trump's Former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED with defrauding hundreds of thousands of donors

Trump's 2nd personal lawyer Rudy Guiliani, is now under investigation by Federal Prosecutors and by prosecutors in New York

Trump’s foundation shut down after admitted to violating laws against charity leaders profiting off of their own charities,


minds_I
 

Switcher56

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Hello all,

A cut and paste: Enjoy trumphumpers, this is your guy...makin' ya proud, ay?


The “billionaire” who hides his tax returns
The “genius” who hides his college grades
The “philanthropist” who defrauded his own charity
The “patriot” who dodged the draft
The “tough guy strong man“ who wears makeup and hairspray
The “totally innocent man” who refuses to testify
The “President” who takes no responsibility at all
The “businessman” who bankrupted casinos and lost over $1B in 10 yrs.
The “Christian” who doesn’t go to church
The “deal maker” who has yet to close a deal
Trump University: FRAUD
Trump Foundation: FRAUD
Trump Airline: FAIL
Trump Taj Mahal: FAIL
Trump Steaks: FAIL
Trump Vitamins: FAIL
Trump Mortgages: FAIL
The Trump Network: FAIL
Trump Plaza Casino: FAIL
Trump Hotels, Casinos, Resorts: FAIL
Trump Entertainment Resorts: FAIL
Trump Plaza Hotel: FAIL
Trump Travel GoTrump: FAIL
Trump vodka: FAIL
Trump’s Castle: FAIL
Trumped! Radio: FAIL
Trump New Media: FAIL
Trump Spring Water: FAIL
Trump: The Game: FAIL
Trump On The Ocean: FAIL
Trump NJ Generals: FAIL
Trump Tour De Trump: FAIL
Trump Panama: FAIL
Trump Toronto: FAIL
Trump SoHo: FAIL
Trump Place: FAIL
Trump Magazine: FAIL
Protect our soldiers: FAIL
Make Mexico pay for a wall: FAIL
Puerto Rica: FAIL
COVID-19: FAIL
Repeal Obamacare: FAIL
G7: FAIL
Reduce US debt: FAIL
Big infrastructure plan: FAIL
Denuclearize North Korea: FAIL
Paris Climate Accord: FAIL
Deport 11 million illegals: FAIL
Resolve DACA: FAIL
Resolve DREAMERS: FAIL
Work hard/No time to golf: FAIL
Show his taxes: FAIL
Revive coal country: FAIL
Bigger and better healthcare for all: FAIL
Drain the Swamp: FAIL
Daily security Briefings: Fail
Hire only the best/brightest: FAIL
Eliminate government corruption: FAIL
Federal Forests management: FAIL
Bring back manufacturing: FAIL
U.S. Presidency: Impeached
U.S. Presidency: FAIL
Dignity: FAIL
Morality: FAIL
Empathy: FAIL
Humanity: FAIL
Integrity: FAIL
Decency: FAIL
Sympathy: FAIL
Common Sense: FAIL
Compassion: FAIL
Transparency: FAIL
Honesty: FAIL
Racism: FAIL
Reverence: FAIL
Reading and Comprehension: FAIL
NATO: FAIL
United Nations: FAIL
20,000 Lies and counting: FAIL
Tax cut for wealthy people: SUCCESS
Record for Presidential lies: SUCCESS
Dividing the Nation more than anyone since the Civil War: SUCCESS
Separate families and put their children in cages at the border: SUCCESS

Appointees Comments:

"What a f****** imbecile." -- Rupert Murdoch, owner FOX News

"Dumb as s***" -- Gary Cohn, Economic Advisor

"An idiot with the intelligence of a kindergartner" -- H.R. McMaster, National Security Advisor

"A f****** moron" -- Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State

"He has the knowledge of a 5th or 6th grader." -- James Mattis, Secretary of Defense

"An idiot surrounded by clowns" -- Gary Cohn, Economic Advisor

"An idiot" -- John Kelly, Chief of Staff

"A dope" -- H.R. McMaster, National Security Advisor

"An idiot" -- Reince Preibus, Chief of Staff

"A supreme sexist.”—Barbara Res, former executive vice-president of Trump Organization, who also said “he thinks he’s God.”

“Like an 11-year-old child”— Steve Bannon. The now estranged advisor also allegedly complained that he was “sick of being a wet nurse to a 71-year-old man.”

Working with Trump is “like trying to figure out what a child wants”—White House deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh.

“The White House has become an adult day care center”—Republican senator Bob Corker of Tennessee

“Morally unfit to be president,” “unethical” and “untethered to truth”—former FBI director James Comey, who also compared the US president to a mafia boss.

More to consider from the swamp:
Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort was found guilty and sent to PRISON

Trump's "first" personal lawyer, Mike Cohen pleaded guilty and was sent to PRISON

Trump's "personal fixer" , Roger Stone , has been FOUND GUILTY and sentenced to 3 years and 4 months in federal PRISON

Trump’s former deputy campaign chairman , Rick Gates pleaded guilty and was sent to PRISON

Trump's campaign aide , George Papadopoulas , pleaded guilty and was sent to PRISON

Trump's National Security advisor , Mike Flynn, PLEADED GUILTY of lying to the FBI

Trump's Former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED with defrauding hundreds of thousands of donors

Trump's 2nd personal lawyer Rudy Guiliani, is now under investigation by Federal Prosecutors and by prosecutors in New York

Trump’s foundation shut down after admitted to violating laws against charity leaders profiting off of their own charities,


minds_I
Ya forgot Trump wine!
 

'Boogieman'

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packerfan79

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Democrats are trying to lose the Catholic vote, along with the suburban woman vote.

I thought maybe they could control themselves, but I guess we all knew their bigotry, and misogyny would make an appearance. Apparently political suicide is their only solution.

Are you surprised Biden hasn't dropped out of the debates yet? If he shows, it will be the only one.

Funny how the left lost their shit at the thought of a debate moderated by a non leftist hack(Joe Rogan). The Leftist at Spotify threaten a walk out if they can't edit (censor) Joe's podcast. Lol.
 

Cannavore

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The debates are hosted by leftists? Oh cool so they got Chris Hedges? No? They get Cornel West? No? Zizek? No?

Oh u mean corporatists like Andersen Pooper lol.
 

Horselover Fat

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Few things get Trump peeved faster than bringing up the four times his companies declared bankruptcy. Chris Wallace of Fox News learned this in 2015, when, during a GOP primary debate, he asked Trump whether voters should trust him to run the government, given his private track record.

“I have never gone bankrupt, by the way. I have never,” Trump snapped—he’d merely used the nation’s bankruptcy laws to his advantage

“At the same time, financial experts involved in those bankruptcies say that lenders to your companies lost billions of dollars,” Wallace replied. “With that record, why should we trust you to run the nation’s business?”

“I have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family, et cetera,” he said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/616156/

Yeah, why would you trust him?
 

packerfan79

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The debates are hosted by leftists? Oh cool so they got Chris Hedges? No? They get Cornel West? No? Zizek? No?

Oh u mean corporatists like Andersen Pooper lol.

I said leftist, not far leftist extremists.

Chris Hedges is at least somewhat honest. Can't have that kind of thing around Biden.
 
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