cannabisnz
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Hi Ahortator
Strange as it may sound... those GN Thai Stick plants are of the type that was once most common all over the world. Down here in NZ all we used to get was big sativa weed. We would look in wonder at these grainy black and white photos of "Pakistani" hash plants in magazines. Little round bushes they were and we used to wonder what that was all about.
It isn't just the old school sativa genetics that are stuffed... it's the real hash plants as well. The real old photos of hash plants were all these strange little round bushes with little fat leaves all over them. I grew one once thirty years ago and it only grew three feet high naturally in a full season. I also had a pure one once from NCGA (the now extinct Northern California Growers Association) and it only grew two feet high with a single huge cola. Really unusual plants. Both of those plants grown outdoors in blazing sunshine all summer.
In comparison all the magazines were absolutely full of photos of DEA agents "assisting" local police in Africa, Thailand, Colombia and Mexico to eradicate groves of Marijuana trees. The standard way of growing cannabis back then by tribal villagers was in dense 20-30 ft high groves. So dense that only the tips could get enough light to flower.
The biggest crops I've ever seen in photos were Mexico. Huge valleys of hundreds of square kilometres just covered up the hillsides with solid weed. Up close all the plants were huge like those ones that Kangativa grows. I've always assumed that is the normal size of a proper pure sativa cannabis plant. There was heaps of media coverage when the DEA assisted the Mexican Govt to spray these valleys of cannabis.
All the old photos from the 50s and 60s are of cannabis plants 20-30 ft high. Even the old Govt photos of the first sativas they grew for research for the DEA are of monster trees even bigger than some of Kangitavas. Over the years the sativas have got progressively smaller and the indicas progressively bigger.
Colombian were the original giant Xmas trees though some Mexican plants were similar but with much larger seeds and calyxs. The biggest trees of all (in old photos) were actually African but I can't remember which part of Africa.
These days the biggest plant photos you'll find on the net are usually Himalayan. I've grown some of these and they are the closest I've personally grown (in terms of growth rate and shape and leaf size) to the old school sativas... except the buds are not sativa buds. They're hand rub Charas buds.
Also, for the record, you'll see some huge sativas in the old photos of the Cannabis Castle (I think that is what it was called) in Holland and there used to be photos somewhere on the net of a huge crop in Switzerland in a commercial greenhouse with a 20 foot roof height and the whole crop had hit the roof and run out of room without even starting to flower.
The important point is this.... there was absolutely nothing wrong with the potency of these big sativas. Their LSD type high was legendary. The genetics got messed with firstly by the big cartels that wanted to cut down growing time so they could get two commercial crops in one growing season outdoors in the tropics and then by the Dutch and others trying to reduce size and vigour for growing under lights.
It isn't just about introducing hash plant genetics. What seemed to happen with Haze for example is that indoor growers selectively chose early flowering and low vigour miniature plants while discarding the fast growing tree type plants.
All credit to Kangativa and others who are showing that the old school genetics are still there if you hunt around for them. I'm very interested in that GN Thai myself but I'm over committed already at the moment. I'm working on something but it's too early to tell if it's going to be what I want.
cannabisnz
Strange as it may sound... those GN Thai Stick plants are of the type that was once most common all over the world. Down here in NZ all we used to get was big sativa weed. We would look in wonder at these grainy black and white photos of "Pakistani" hash plants in magazines. Little round bushes they were and we used to wonder what that was all about.
It isn't just the old school sativa genetics that are stuffed... it's the real hash plants as well. The real old photos of hash plants were all these strange little round bushes with little fat leaves all over them. I grew one once thirty years ago and it only grew three feet high naturally in a full season. I also had a pure one once from NCGA (the now extinct Northern California Growers Association) and it only grew two feet high with a single huge cola. Really unusual plants. Both of those plants grown outdoors in blazing sunshine all summer.
In comparison all the magazines were absolutely full of photos of DEA agents "assisting" local police in Africa, Thailand, Colombia and Mexico to eradicate groves of Marijuana trees. The standard way of growing cannabis back then by tribal villagers was in dense 20-30 ft high groves. So dense that only the tips could get enough light to flower.
The biggest crops I've ever seen in photos were Mexico. Huge valleys of hundreds of square kilometres just covered up the hillsides with solid weed. Up close all the plants were huge like those ones that Kangativa grows. I've always assumed that is the normal size of a proper pure sativa cannabis plant. There was heaps of media coverage when the DEA assisted the Mexican Govt to spray these valleys of cannabis.
All the old photos from the 50s and 60s are of cannabis plants 20-30 ft high. Even the old Govt photos of the first sativas they grew for research for the DEA are of monster trees even bigger than some of Kangitavas. Over the years the sativas have got progressively smaller and the indicas progressively bigger.
Colombian were the original giant Xmas trees though some Mexican plants were similar but with much larger seeds and calyxs. The biggest trees of all (in old photos) were actually African but I can't remember which part of Africa.
These days the biggest plant photos you'll find on the net are usually Himalayan. I've grown some of these and they are the closest I've personally grown (in terms of growth rate and shape and leaf size) to the old school sativas... except the buds are not sativa buds. They're hand rub Charas buds.
Also, for the record, you'll see some huge sativas in the old photos of the Cannabis Castle (I think that is what it was called) in Holland and there used to be photos somewhere on the net of a huge crop in Switzerland in a commercial greenhouse with a 20 foot roof height and the whole crop had hit the roof and run out of room without even starting to flower.
The important point is this.... there was absolutely nothing wrong with the potency of these big sativas. Their LSD type high was legendary. The genetics got messed with firstly by the big cartels that wanted to cut down growing time so they could get two commercial crops in one growing season outdoors in the tropics and then by the Dutch and others trying to reduce size and vigour for growing under lights.
It isn't just about introducing hash plant genetics. What seemed to happen with Haze for example is that indoor growers selectively chose early flowering and low vigour miniature plants while discarding the fast growing tree type plants.
All credit to Kangativa and others who are showing that the old school genetics are still there if you hunt around for them. I'm very interested in that GN Thai myself but I'm over committed already at the moment. I'm working on something but it's too early to tell if it's going to be what I want.
cannabisnz
I can contemplate these kind of wild sativas eternally. Even though they don`t have that modern hybrid frostyness. 
very much my friend.
