The Temple: Tropical Greenhouse

[Mad Scientist]

Muy lindas fotografías todos... Y me gusto mucho el surf tambien LMN, incluso lo hacer en Holanda... (antes del fútbol jajaja)

Very interesting how your [Thai x Mexico] x Banghi's show different phenos Paz. Mine seem to be all very alike so far.

And regarding that Colombian that's 'a little' hesitant to go into flower, I am planning on stressing my ecuatorial sativas in small pots to make them go into flower sooner. Telling them the end is near would be my strategy. Why do you choose to give them more root space instead? Not being critical here, just interested in your thoughts.

¡Mucho éxito!

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

amigo patolunga, buen dia! gracias por su mensaje.
al igual que kayaman (peace!), pienso que chile tiene grandes jugadores en su seleccion actual,
como suazo de seguro. lo que pasa es que brasil son muy suertudos no joda, ganaron con suerte y no con mucho futbol, a chile y especialmente a uruguay.
(salud a los hermanos brasileros, ustedes saben que fue asi )... me ladillo que uruguay perdiese de esa
manera, pero bien, asi es el futbol, o no?
en cambio anoche argentina gano con puro futbol que final va a ser eso!!!!!
la mano negra, gracias por el link y la info no lo sabia. que plantas las suyas maestro!!!!!
estuve viendo lo poco que pasa de lo de san fermin por las noticias de tve y ant3. has hecho eso alguna vez????????

browser, salud! como va eso?
the banghi is actually from china as well, a very fast flowering mountain sativa, and the china was picked in china by a member from og, and it is a very long flowering sativa.
yet, the two plants i grew came out to be short, single cola, fast finishing plants, with even indica pheno feel to it. i suspect this is mainly due to the very different climatic and condition of photoperiod to which they are exposed in the temple as opposed to lmn's climate.

mad scientist, hello, y gracias i think the different phenos of the mex/thai x banghi have to do also with the difference in climatic conditions.
to answer your question, my reasoning is that if i give it more space, the plant will flower sooner as it will follow its natural need to do so.
if i keep it root-bound, i think the plant may instead go into survival mode, and save as much energy possible as it senses the limited space.
so it will remain vegging in 12/12 and this way it can live for a very long time. with less space less nutrients and less ability for the plant
to absorb the nutrients and give support as well as expand the body mass of the whole plant.
but to be honest, i think the plant will flower when it will flowering regardless of whether i transplant it or leave it rootbound. i think what
may be different is that if i transplant, i'll get better yields and it will flower for longer, while if i keep it root-bound, low yield and faster flowering.
what do you think?

much peace everyone,

pvr

 

[Mad Scientist]

...i think what
may be different is that if i transplant, i'll get better yields and it will flower for longer, while if i keep it root-bound, low yield and faster flowering.
what do you think?

Yeah I definitely agree on the last part. Since you have the possibility of growing without pots and you have lots of sunshine that would be my tactic too. I thought you were only trying to get it into flower quickly and from my experience they'll go into flower sooner when they're rootbound. I think the more stress a plant gets, the sooner it will opt for the best chances of survival by finishing before conditions deteriorate even further. Including the risk of the plant turning hermie as well because this is also a survival strategy. So under the cicumstances you're growing in it will probably be best to spoil the plant as much as possible to increase it's chances of showing it's full potential. I'm in a completely different ballgame over here in the Netherlands, trying to finish some long-flowering sativas in a short season with little sunshine. Which is why I opt for being a horrible father to the little plants hoping this will make them finish before fall sets in with its dark days and lots of rain. Low yields as a consequence of this treatment don't really bother me, I just want to know what kind of plants they are and I'll save the luxury treatment for the day I'll have an indoor growing space again.

Different circumstances, different tactics... Funny how you're actually preventing what I'm trying to achieve over here, but it's completely logical from your point of view. And from mine as well... Thanks for the explanation.

BTW I didn't know Banghi is actually from China as well! I was under the impression it was from the Central-African Bangui region, at least that's what I've been telling everyone until now lol... Whoops! So China it is then... Also fine with me. I'll tell them "ni-hao" tomorrow morning. :wink:

How's the Cantarela? Have you speed-dried a little nug already to get an impression of the smoke and effect? (yeah I know one shouldn't, but I'm usually too anxious to find out hehehe...)

Good luck man. Your Tropical Temple rocks!

 

[Browser]

Hola a todos

the banghi is actually from china as well, a very fast flowering mountain sativa, and the china was picked in china by a member from og, and it is a very long flowering sativa.

yet, the two plants i grew came out to be short, single cola, fast finishing plants, with even indica pheno feel to it. i suspect this is mainly due to the very different climatic and condition of photoperiod to which they are exposed in the temple as opposed to lmn's climate.

Paz, thanks for the details. Although I expected Chinese land-races to be more indica influenced, I'm also aware that China is a big place.Tho I don't doubt the origin, I'm surprised that what turns up sativa on one latitude, turns more indica in a different latitude. My best guest is that it's a hybrid But as they say, the proof of the cake is in the pudding (or something like that...) So I guess the best way for me would be to give 'em a try at my latitude, and see what comes out

my reasoning is that if i give it more space, the plant will flower sooner as it will follow its natural need to do so.
if i keep it root-bound, i think the plant may instead go into survival mode, and save as much energy possible as it senses the limited space.
so it will remain vegging in 12/12 and this way it can live for a very long time. with less space less nutrients and less ability for the plant
to absorb the nutrients and give support as well as expand the body mass of the whole plant.
but to be honest, i think the plant will flower when it will flowering regardless of whether i transplant it or leave it rootbound. i think what
may be different is that if i transplant, i'll get better yields and it will flower for longer, while if i keep it root-bound, low yield and faster flowering.
what do you think?

I'm not sure of that one. I would think that if the plant is told that the near is close, then she would use all the energy on trying to reproduce, rather than to keep growing... This would explain the low yield and faster flowering when you keep it root-bound.

The flowering of sativas is still pretty unkwnon to me, but I tend to believe that factors like humidity-watering should not be understimated. I just read something about that on Chaman's thread, in which I'm trying to catch up since I started late

Bigger pot will mean more volume and longer flowering, as sativas have the quality to produce flowers & grow at the same time; unlike indicas. That's why indoor farmers are warned of height when growing sats (3+ times the size they had just before the 12/12 change.

I've read somewhere that feeding might also be a way to fool sats into flowering, giving them a diet rich in P-K and reducing N to a min. On due time I'll experiment this approach with my little Pma, in the hope to trigger her earlier outdoors in the Northen Latitudes. Under perfect circunstances I should take a clone (as control) and compare if feeding has an effect, but for the time being the plant is still rather small, and I do not wish to top it.

Here she is (again)


Any info on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

Paz, que pienzas?

 

[Mad Scientist]

I've read somewhere that feeding might also be a way to fool sats into flowering, giving them a diet rich in P-K and reducing N to a min. On due time I'll experiment this approach with my little Pma, in the hope to trigger her earlier outdoors in the Northen Latitudes. Under perfect circunstances I should take a clone (as control) and compare if feeding has an effect, but for the time being the plant is still rather small, and I do not wish to top it.

I'm doing exactly that as well. They've had some Rhizotonic and I'm only foliar feeding them now with a mixture of spore elements and organic flowering nutes. Basically no nitrogen at all and apart from a little paleness they don't look too bad. Indoors I'd still give them some nitrogen but I'd slowly decrease the amount to zero from the fifth week of flower on. Pretty curious on how no nitrogen at all will affect this season's outdoor plants' health.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

hello mad scientist and browser,

i am thinking that maybe, since the latitude causes 12/12 all year-round, a root-bound plant in veg. state can live undefinetly, provided
it has enough water, sun and air. it is like a bamboo plant more or less. instead, if it chooses to go into flower, it will definetly be in more danger, since flowered
as well as seeded plants are more prone to become sick, get mold, fungus, or eaten. but of course, i am not considering the reproduction instinct, which would
force her to flower in order to be fertile for reproduction. but how do we know plants have a deterministic instinct? that is a different topic though and one of speculation for me too. thank you guys for exchange

btw, mad, aren't you always in heaven over there? access to so many great herbs have a good one for us down here please

regarding the banghi, let me ask again about it, i may be confused, but as i told it originally is as i remember, but you know how it is with this smoke thing and remembering things sometimes

much peace!

edit: oh yeah, mad scientist, about the lesotho x uzbeka, give me more time, i will tell my "smoke report" hehehe... not ready just yet, i can't bring myself to speed dry when i have other well cured things to smoke, i harvested little, the two plants were small but full of love

 

[Guest]

Hi All
I have heard that when you snap into less N and more P & K that Does promote flowering. If that is an option it may well be worth investigating at your latitude. I wish I could do it!
Peace

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Hello everyone,


hola randude, thanks for the tip, i have read about it as well.


ok, so here is the real deal behind the china x banghi.
the Banghi is an African, from Zaire, what used to be the Congo, these are also to be found around the area of the Great Lakes (Africa), it is said that the Pygmies smoke it, the name of the banghi is said it was given by them. the China was sent by an og member from China, they were from the mountains of the jade dragon and it is a sativa of very long flowering, they were crossed to the banghis to shorten flowering.
the breeder is lmn and the info was obtained directly from him. hopefully that clears things up it is a good cross for sure. although i have only a couple js left of it, impermanence hehehe...

peace all

 

[Guest]

Wow, where has everone been lately? It's probably raining there now.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

hola randude, i think i may end up smoking all the buds before i manage to take decent pics of them hehehe... i guess that is what has been happening, a lot of smoke but not due to rainy clouds i hope all is good with you.
paz

 

[Chaman]

Un gran abrazo mi hermano, disfrute la cosecha !! jejejje
Chaman

 

[Browser]

i think i may end up smoking all the buds before i manage to take decent pics of them hehehe...

I know the feeling ... With plants I do get a chance to take the pics, they last a bit longer

Here's the Panama I've growing. Just started her "flowering diet" will report on any progress, tho no hairs yet. She has grow a lot, in a patern very similar to the descriptions of Chama's sativas.



Mad Scientist is there any progress report on your indoor sativas?

Saludos & safe

 

[medjool]

hola randude, i think i may end up smoking all the buds before i manage to take decent pics of them hehehe... i guess that is what has been happening, a lot of smoke but not due to rainy clouds i hope all is good with you.
paz

LOL Paz..... I KNEW ......

 

[la mano negra]

Hola

Señor Paz, por donde andas? aqui esto se parece mas a Mordor, en algunos sitios las temperaturas pasan mucho de los 40º
unas fotios de la huerta

 

[Mad Scientist]

Wow that's hot stuff LMN, litterally!

Mad Scientist[/B] is there any progress report on your indoor sativas?

Sorry Browser, I haven't been able to grow anything indoors since fall 2005 and I'm currently still trying to find a new growing space. I recently moved to another place for work and my first concern was a roof over my head so I coudn't be too picky. I'm very anxious to start growing indoors again though, so as soon as I've found a new place I will keep you posted... :wink:

 

[Browser]

Oh...! I see MS

Sorry, I assumed you were growing indoors, after reading your last post

Quick question: What are you adding the Rhizo at this stage for?

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Salud everyone, very gracious of you all to stop by

Hola maestro Chaman, muchas gracias disfrutando la cosecha ando un abrazo

mr. Browser, good looking plant, very geometric. man, we need to take pics of them buds, it is ridiculous we don't hehehe...

mrs. medjool! hehehehe... hope all is good and well over there thank you for kind support

maestro la mano negra, salud! ando por ahi desconectado un poco del foro debido a una linda dama de ojos claros tambien fumando mucho, pero bien, que mas toca, no? 40 grados!? vayanse a mamar naguevonada! yo con 25 casi me derrito... que nivel de jardin el suyo hombre, una inspiracion tengo 4 china x banghi vegetando para ver si puedo sacarles f2s un abrazo

mad scientist, good luck in your new place, much sucess.

fuerza!

 

[Mad Scientist]

Quick question: What are you adding the Rhizo at this stage for?

I used to grow indoor indeed. I was just digging up memories on how I'd try to keep the sativas from overstretching by decreasing the amount of nitrogen as flower sets in.

I recently added some Rhizo right after re-potting a couple of plants, but I was referring to my feeding tactics earlier. Just summarised the nutes I used so far to point out how little nitrogen they've had. Sorry if my writing caused some confusion.

Paz, I haven't found a new place yet, but at least I'm able to do some outdoor growing again where I live now. Thanks for the kind words though and good luck with your Tropical Greenhouse m8.

 

[Guest]

That is a neat photograph you attached Paz, I would love to see more of the area. I Am so interested in slice of live in Latin American countries.

La Mano Negra, a very impressive grow you have there and a very nice gallery as well. You obviously are on top of the game. Where do you live (what country)?
I really wish I could grow some outdoor monsters like you. Maybe someday I will, destiny is a true mystery to us all.

 

[la mano negra]

Newrandedude I live in Mallorca (Balearic Islands) Spain