The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

something about that just deosn't add up

No doubt people have different conceptions of what is trippy, or trippiest. It's impossible to go by what others say. One has to test for one's self.

Last saturday, I trimmed my Panama Haze

Wow. Great looking buds. Good job.

That’s because the A5 was accidentally pollinated (or intentionally) in a S Holland grow operation that held the cuts for decades by a Thai Male

Did Neville's Haze use that A5(T)? I go on and on about that freak pheno of Neville's Haze I grew. I think that was the best high I ever felt. It was so much like Thai Stick, but had an extra classic Mexican-like trippy happy weed kick to it. Almost like psilocybin. It made me swear on my life that Haze had Thai in it. Though I never felt the warm waves of euhporia wash over me in the Thai sticks I smoked. The freak pheno of Haze was better. It's what started my online search.

 

[FeelHaze]

Legalisation in Canada is a dream for most stoners but a nightmare for real coinnoisseurs. To sell a product it needs to be purple, to smell like candy and to have 25% + of THC. To be profitable, companies only grow 8 or 9 weekers strains. Result ... everything is an hybrid of Cookies. Beautiful buds with no soul. You hit a ceiling after 3 puffs and just get stoned and tired ... even a bit depressed.

@Nextgeneration73 I talked earlier in another thread about some NL#5 X Haze I buyed in the legal market and that stood out over most legal stuff but I have never seen KA5H grown commercially. They surely sell buds labeled as "sativa" but those hits like indicas with a bit less body heaviness.

 

[Nextgeneration73]

@Nextgeneration73

Legalisation in Canada is a dream for most stoners but a nightmare for real coinnoisseurs. To sell a product it needs to be purple, to smell like candy and to have 25% + of THC. To be profitable, companies only grow 8 or 9 weekers strains. Result ... everything is an hybrid of Cookies. Beautiful buds with no soul. You hit a ceiling after 3 puffs and just get stoned and tired ... even a bit depressed.

I talked earlier in another thread about some NL#5 X Haze I buyed in the legal market and that stood out over most legal stuff but I have never seen KA5H grown commercially. They surely sell buds labeled as "sativa" but those hits like indicas with a bit less body heaviness.

The old corruption in business and money, even when it comes to herb, by the way most ace seed vendors or as far as I remember all of them don't have the US or Canada as shipment options, how do you manage to buy from ace seeds then? I wanted to ask you before but it seemed a bit too personal. Now I'm just too curious and couldn't help but ask... Don't get me wrong I'm glad you get to buy from ace, everyone deserves some ace seeds no matter their countries status, how do you get them from there?

 

[nepalnt21]

i should also point out that when i would buy the ace sativas, it was between other strains, usually modern hybrids like onycd and stardawg... so my tolerance was prolly sky high and the golden tiger and purple malawi were still notably potent and psychedelic.

@Nextgeneration73

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the last few years here in dispensaries, it's impossible to find good sativa buds.

the best i find in terms of hybrids with a good head high is this really nice stuff i find SOMEtimes, jjnyc's guava ix (not a roman numeral '9', an abbreviation for 'in- cross', silly budtenders) which is basically just a stardawg guava clone i guess dusted with whatever stardawg male(s) jj picked... still a medicinal chem hybrid, but very heady and has a VERY high ceiling. i get paranoid if i smoke too much, and i miss it when i don't have it.

other than that it's the normal jack herer (rhymes with 'terror', silly budtenders) 'terpinolene bomb' (good call, notsodog)... and super lemon haze (what's it, like a quarter haze and well over half skunk?) so i really need to get off my ass, find some money and space, and learn to grow better shit

 

[Marcus67]

Legalisation in Canada is a dream for most stoners but a nightmare for real coinnoisseurs. To sell a product it needs to be purple, to smell like candy and to have 25% + of THC. To be profitable, companies only grow 8 or 9 weekers strains. Result ... everything is an hybrid of Cookies. Beautiful buds with no soul. You hit a ceiling after 3 puffs and just get stoned and tired ... even a bit depressed.

@Nextgeneration73 I talked earlier in another thread about some NL#5 X Haze I buyed in the legal market and that stood out over most legal stuff but I have never seen KA5H grown commercially. They surely sell buds labeled as "sativa" but those hits like indicas with a bit less body heaviness.

I feel you man. That's why I grow Jamaican Lambsbread here in Toronto. I have to fully seed them to get them to ripen in time but sun grown landrace sativas has the effects that I want. Pictures taken today, harvesting the ripe one and the others have a week to go.

 

[Nextgeneration73]

i should also point out that when i would buy the ace sativas, it was between other strains, usually modern hybrids like onycd and stardawg... so my tolerance was prolly sky high and the golden tiger and purple malawi were still notably potent and psychedelic.

@Nextgeneration73

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the last few years here in dispensaries, it's impossible to find good sativa buds.

the best i find in terms of hybrids with a good head high is this really nice stuff i find SOMEtimes, jjnyc's guava ix (not a roman numeral '9', an abbreviation for 'in- cross', silly budtenders) which is basically just a stardawg guava clone i guess dusted with whatever stardawg male(s) jj picked... still a medicinal chem hybrid, but very heady and has a VERY high ceiling. i get paranoid if i smoke too much, and i miss it when i don't have it.

other than that it's the normal jack herer (rhymes with 'terror', silly budtenders) 'terpinolene bomb' (good call, notsodog)... and super lemon haze (what's it, like a quarter haze and well over half skunk?) so i really need to get off my ass, find some money and space, and learn to grow better shit

When you say: find some money and space and learn to grow better shit, is this in the past tense or are you talking about not having the grows that you want right now? Meaning that you could do more?

 

[nepalnt21]

@Nextgeneration73

i have seeds, could probably grow some, but i need to do some significant learning + planning and actually have a set grow space without real threat of... life. i tend to screw up my plants.

 

[ledo]

No doubt people have different conceptions of what is trippy, or trippiest. It's impossible to go by what others say. One has to test for one's self.

Wow. Great looking buds. Good job.

Did Neville's Haze use that A5(T)? I go on and on about that freak pheno of Neville's Haze I grew. I think that was the best high I ever felt. It was so much like Thai Stick, but had an extra classic Mexican-like trippy happy weed kick to it. Almost like psilocybin. It made me swear on my life that Haze had Thai in it. Though I never felt the warm waves of euhporia wash over me in the Thai sticks I smoked. The freak pheno of Haze was better. It's what started my online search.

I can’t speak of anything for certain (here say) & especially the timing of it all, I recon Nevil did a lot of work before it happened but also know he was in contact with said group to regain access to things he lost way back when so whom truly knows…

We do know inbreeding depression is a serious thing & clonal / parent degradation is too; I’m certain it happens all the time to revive vigor & health, it’s rarely told to us but clearly it can be seen in offspring…

It’s why I like to stuff a tiny bit of seed at least in everything I grow, you never truly know what you have till it’s gone

 

[iTarzan]

I feel you man. That's why I grow Jamaican Lambsbread here in Toronto. I have to fully seed them to get them to ripen in time but sun grown landrace sativas has the effects that I want.

I think it is way cool you are growing Jamaican Lambsbred way up north in Canada. Where did you get your lambsbread seed from? Did you find a good specimen and just grow it or do you just plant seeds every year? How many weeks do they go?

I grew a Jamaican Longtime Weed outdoors. I am at 42N in Pa. I light deprived it and it took 20 weeks or so. It came out looking pretty good. Here are some pics. I have more in the The Landrace Team thread.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I can’t speak of anything for certain

Thanks for the reply. I acquired the Neville's Haze seeds sometime around 1998 to 2000 from Marc Emery. Anyway, I'm convinced it had Thai in it due to the very electric effect and the extreme potency.

It’s why I like to stuff a tiny bit of seed at least in everything I grow, you never truly know what you have till it’s gone

Very wise indeed. Make plenty of seed and don't hoard. Let's not let the old school gems die out.

I grew a Jamaican Longtime Weed outdoors. I am at 42N in Pa.

Wow! Great plant, and good work. When I was a kid, my friend went to Jamaica in about '72 and brought back some hash and seeds. The plants looked similar. He grew about 30 plants in a tiny area near Chicago. All the plants were in a plot about a meter sqare. I don't know how they ever ripened. I think it might have had something to do with root restriction. It was by far the best homegrown I ever smoked before moving to California. A tiny pin joint would get several people good and high. Jamaica had great weed back then.

I'm learning, from good coaching and a little experience, that growing plants suited to near the equator is quite different. Fertilizer regiment, water restriction, ect. have more influence on ripening than I would have thought.

 

[ThaiBliss]

This is the wettest late wet season in three years here. It is becoming painfully obvious that only Thai Stick plants are reasonable to grow here. Damn!

I guess that's what I came here for. It better stop raining pretty soon, or I'm going to run out of room in my Monopoly hotel shaped coolhouse. I guess a 12 foot peak for plant starts is for amatuers.

I will not attempt another wet season plant. They are just rotting away. When they reveg, I'll take a cutting and keep it alive inside.

The yetti sized male is finally starting to gather up some flower clusters.

The obvious mate for the yetti above is the yeowie female below. I'm starting to think that this plant deserves to be in the ground. I may have to lasso the top and bend it over. I think I remember it was a few weeks ago when I thought the plants weren't going to get any size to them.

The plant in the right foreground is too early. It is thin leaved and sativa looking, but it's too polluted for this equatorial climate.

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Here is the rotting #2 plant from last year. If it stops raining, I might get an ounce of bud and a QTR of compost, if I'm lucky

The other two plants are well into flower and will not grow much bigger. To much work for little reward. Of course, I'll make a few seeds just in case either are profoundly good smoke. Otherwise, I need to breed out the hash plant in the Neville's Haze and Mullum leaning plants. Thanks to heaven for the Gypsy Thai Stick in these genes. Thanks Gypsy, Kangativa, and Bushy.

The sasquatches are still just starts threatening to bust out to be outside.

 

[Nextgeneration73]

Legalisation in Canada is a dream for most stoners but a nightmare for real coinnoisseurs. To sell a product it needs to be purple, to smell like candy and to have 25% + of THC. To be profitable, companies only grow 8 or 9 weekers strains. Result ... everything is an hybrid of Cookies. Beautiful buds with no soul. You hit a ceiling after 3 puffs and just get stoned and tired ... even a bit depressed.

@Nextgeneration73 I talked earlier in another thread about some NL#5 X Haze I buyed in the legal market and that stood out over most legal stuff but I have never seen KA5H grown commercially. They surely sell buds labeled as "sativa" but those hits like indicas with a bit less body heaviness.

Did you experience any cartoony visuals during your Pure Malawi sessions, KA5H, or the NLHaze#5xHaze you had before?

 

[Nextgeneration73]

i should also point out that when i would buy the ace sativas, it was between other strains, usually modern hybrids like onycd and stardawg... so my tolerance was prolly sky high and the golden tiger and purple malawi were still notably potent and psychedelic.

@Nextgeneration73

......

the last few years here in dispensaries, it's impossible to find good sativa buds.

the best i find in terms of hybrids with a good head high is this really nice stuff i find SOMEtimes, jjnyc's guava ix (not a roman numeral '9', an abbreviation for 'in- cross', silly budtenders) which is basically just a stardawg guava clone i guess dusted with whatever stardawg male(s) jj picked... still a medicinal chem hybrid, but very heady and has a VERY high ceiling. i get paranoid if i smoke too much, and i miss it when i don't have it.

other than that it's the normal jack herer (rhymes with 'terror', silly budtenders) 'terpinolene bomb' (good call, notsodog)... and super lemon haze (what's it, like a quarter haze and well over half skunk?) so i really need to get off my ass, find some money and space, and learn to grow better shit

Skunk strains were my least favorite in the past back in the days where I was a heavy smoker, luckily I rarely ran into them but when I did I felt betrayed I remember once buying a month's Salary of it and turned out to be the smelliest most unhidable smell, and most non psychoactive THC strain ever, also it was expensive because of the smell apperantly, not to mention that if anything can make even the smartest person dumb that was it then
Yeah Super Lemon Haze was never my favorite either, but not as bad as skunk strains, make that shit illegal

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

It is fortunate of me to make so many mistakes my first year growing near the equator. Last year I got a very late start. I think it made my plants take longer to finish with never ending foxtailing. It was finishing AFTER the winter solstice. The very same #2 plant from last year reveged and started flowing in June. It looks finished now, a total of six months. I cut after seven months last season. There could be some other factors. It is overwhelmed by mold, I barely gave it any nitrogen at all, and I watered a lot less. In addition to a more all at once finish, the resin looks to be a bit yellowish, instead of just cloudy.

Here are pictures of some flower bits that I might save out of all the mold infections.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I have a wider variety of plants this year. I had a few of my northern line. These are not doing well here, as one might expect. Once I secure some seeds, I'll only grow ones that are crossed with the very latest flowering plants from the GNTS x (NH21 x MM). Even the earlier flowering ones from the GNTS x (NH21 x MM) are no good here. This season is an extreme late ending wet season. Even the longest flowering plants I have are a touch problematic.

Here are a couple of pictures of all the ones I have left. Though we are finally getting some sunny mornings, it has still been raining pretty much in the evenings.

There are only two plants that look like they might continue to grow bigger as we enter the dry season. It's good luck that one is male and the other is female. I need genetics that are as long flowering as possible. It's good that my experience has been that the longest flowering Haze plant was the best one I ever grew. I've heard that story repeated from others. In fact, the only Haze plant that was world class was that one very long flowering plant out of 36 seeds or so.

These are the flowers from the earlier flowering GNTS x (NH21 x MM).

Beautiful plants, and very strong smelling, but too early. They are very sweet right now, as they are putting on lots of fresh resin. B.T.W., the one female northern line plant is also very pungent. It has a lot of different aromas. The other female succumed to mold, and I chopped the male since the remaining female is heavily seeded. There are a few seeds from it in the early GNTS x (NH21 x MM).

 

[ThaiBliss]

These next pictures highligh the longest flowering female from the GNTS x (NH21 x MM). I wish all my plants were like this graceful, open structure, late flowering beauty.

Long live potent cerebral sativas!

 

[igrowone]

yellow resin is the thread tie in for me, just a humble indoor grower but once had some yellow resin show up
it wasn't trippy but it was rocket fuel, curious if you'll have similar result

 

[gorilla ganja]

It's good that my experience has been that the longest flowering Haze plant was the best one I ever grew. I've heard that story repeated from others.

I've also heard that from many cannabis aficionados I respect. Do you have any thoughts as to why the longest flowering plants would have the best high?

I'm in the far North and have been working on the opposite side of the cannabis spectrum with autoflowers. My dream is to bring the best of NLD to Autoflowers. The question is, can the high from an extremely long-flowing plant be brought down to a plant that finishes in 120 days from sprouting?

 

[acespicoli]

This is the wettest late wet season in three years here. It is becoming painfully obvious that only Thai Stick plants are reasonable to grow here. Damn!

I guess that's what I came here for. It better stop raining pretty soon, or I'm going to run out of room in my Monopoly hotel shaped coolhouse. I guess a 12 foot peak for plant starts is for amatuers.

I will not attempt another wet season plant. They are just rotting away. When they reveg, I'll take a cutting and keep it alive inside.

The yetti sized male is finally starting to gather up some flower clusters.
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The obvious mate for the yetti above is the yeowie female below. I'm starting to think that this plant deserves to be in the ground. I may have to lasso the top and bend it over. I think I remember it was a few weeks ago when I thought the plants weren't going to get any size to them.

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The plant in the right foreground is too early. It is thin leaved and sativa looking, but it's too polluted for this equatorial climate.

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Here is the rotting #2 plant from last year. If it stops raining, I might get an ounce of bud and a QTR of compost, if I'm lucky
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The other two plants are well into flower and will not grow much bigger. To much work for little reward. Of course, I'll make a few seeds just in case either are profoundly good smoke. Otherwise, I need to breed out the hash plant in the Neville's Haze and Mullum leaning plants. Thanks to heaven for the Gypsy Thai Stick in these genes. Thanks Gypsy, Kangativa, and Bushy.

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The sasquatches are still just starts threatening to bust out to be outside.

Is that perlite mulch? stop algae and bugs

 

[ThaiBliss]

I've also heard that from many cannabis aficionados I respect. Do you have any thoughts as to why the longest flowering plants would have the best high?

I think that for people that prefer ganja over hash plants, there are more to choose from that are from the subtropics. People who grow indoors or farther north use hash plants to make the plants flower earlier and easier to grow. I think it takes skill that most people don't have to breed for the high alone, and put other traits a distant second in priority.

I'm in the far North and have been working on the opposite side of the cannabis spectrum with autoflowers. My dream is to bring the best of NLD to Autoflowers. The question is, can the high from an extremely long-flowing plant be brought down to a plant that finishes in 120 days from sprouting?

I'm sure it can be done. I had one once. I was gifted a cut that was fully ripe in six weeks grown indoors. It was the top five top best weed I ever grew. It was bad tasting, at least how I grew it. It was too green and grassy tasting. I probably gave it way too much nitrogren. Most people hated it, and I was too interested in it's commercial value to keep it. I later regretted it because I couldn't find anything nearly as strong of any type while still being considered cerebral.

The genes I have been working on for 45 years or so also are early, strong, and very clean and clear. It's not auto-flower, but it's early. It's not as strong as that cut I once had, but it is more clear, blissful, and spiritual. I piggybacked on the work of others, as we all do. But those genes came from somewhere. Once again, I call out VISC Burmese and ACE Bangi Haze. I suspect the heirloom genetics that were key came from Nepal, Mexico, and the high mountains of Burma near the China border.

The point is that people have done this before, or I wouldn't have stumbled on the things I have found. Go for it! You will be adding to Cannabis heritage.