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The Search for Trip Weed
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Hi Rinse,
Wall of Bud - Yes, this is an exciting time of year. It has been a record hot summer with the largest number of days of 100 degrees or more. This is a beautiful weekend that is supoosed to be in the 80 degrees. Feels like harvest celebrations are in order soon.
My next indoor grow will be a Jamaican 60s, hopefully. I only have one growing, and I hope it is female, else it will be Headband time.
Like I said, an early start for NepalJam, but it is the finish that counts.
The Copalita Oaxacan indoor is looking like it is getting close to being ripe. If there are no more big new flushes of pistils, it may be just weeks away:
I ginned up, slightly, the nitrogen in my indoor 55 gallon watering tank. It went almost two weeks and I did not notice any difference. I replenished the tank with approximately the same mix of fertilizer, and within a day I noticed some of the newest tiny leaves in the buds were vibrant green color. I immediately took out half of the fertilizer mix, topped it off with plain water, and added a tablespoon of 0 nitrogen bird guano, and a tablespoon of 0-10-10 fish fertilizer. Man these Sativas are sensitive to fertilizer. Tiny amounts make a huge difference.
All looks pretty good now. The buds have greened up very slightly and are looking less like they are about to fade away much too early. They are still getting yellowing leaves, as well as some new colors. Some of the yellowing leaves are now getting a reddish brown color. Funny how I remember buds from my youth being much more colorful than the mostly green buds I see people growing today. I hope the finished Thai buds will be green, yellow, and red. It would just look right to me that way.
There is some swelling of the older calyxes in the Thai buds now. The resin glands are very small and hard to see. The calyxes just look a bit velvety. Upon close inspection with a jeweler's loop, I see lots of little resin glands with a vitamin B clear piss colored resin heads. I see colored unripe resin in only about 5 to 10% of all strains I have grown, but in the strains that I considered world class caliber, I would guess that the clear color shows up about 50% of the time, with piss yellow being the most common. This has me encouraged.
Here is a close up showing Thai bud fox-tailing, slight swelling, and the greening of the newer bud leafs that I am now seeing:
Hope your searches are going well,
ThaiBliss
gnarly oaxaca bud, its hard to tell if there is much resin on it... definitely looks sativa thats for sure.
Hi Infinitesimal,
The Oaxacan looks much more resinous than the Thai, but not as much as commercial Sativa / Indica crosses. It shares the velvety look of the Thai cross plant, with the closely packed glands, but you can see some of the individual resin heads without a scope.
Outdoor update:
I believe I have successfully pollinated the NepalJam female with the NepalJam male, as I'm seeing pistils shrivel. I have been dropping pollen on it for a few days now. I'm getting nervous about the Bangi Haze male as it just won't open up and spread its wings. I need these seeds to be early, so I can replace my 30+ year outdoor seed lineage with a line totally free of couch-lock. It is just too hard to get rid of couch-lock once it is introduced. I don't grow enough of a population to make good progress.
I've been going back and forth about crossing the Bangi Haze with NepalJam since I have not personally tested the NepalJam yet. I'll likely make some seed of both, if the Bangi male drops some pollen in the next few days.
The good news is that the two early Bangi Hazes are swelling quickly now, and both are showing lots of resin. They are really changing fast, and are more than catching up to the NepalJam.
I'm only sharing some decision making angst, but let me know if anyone feels like they have two cents to share.
ThaiBliss
shivamouse
New member
Try with-holding water from it and put it in drought conditions, that really speeds up males flowering IME.
Shivamouse,
Thanks for the good tip. I generally water less than most. My plants can go a week or more without rain or water in nearly 100 degree heat. But, I just happed to water the other day, just as these males started looking plump, so it may be bad timing on that front.
That Bangi Haze is very close. I'm just a nervous guy who frets over everything. It's quite a dance to keep those males in check while ensuring some good seeds.
ThaiBliss
I don't think you can go to wrong crossing the two lines as long as you still maintain them pure also.
shivamouse
New member
ThaiBliss,
Please try double thai, it is a stratospheric, crystalline, rocketship experience of the highest order pun intended
I only got a male. but I vaporized him as a test and damn I love it!
He is strong. It has the true ceilingless effect, that is what I require in my trip weed. I am excited to think of what the girls could be like. Very racy, I think I got a pure meo thai pheno.
sidenote: Thanks to Dubi your seeds are the best man.
I also tried an oaxacan in the form Eldorado from sativa seeds (aka nirvana). This is an extremely underrated strain. 9.5/10
The bad:
Firstly when growing this it is extremely pungent, it is like a chemical spill happened in your back yard. It is an ether like rotten fruit smell, it hugs the ground like a creeping doom spreading across the neighbourhood. I hesitate to grow it again because of this factor. Fortunately the smell while still intense changes into a more reasonable floral smell latter.
Secondly this pheno seems to create heart palpitations more than other plants. RCC suggested not breeding with these plants I believe. Which makes this hard since I crossed it with the double thai already
Major defect. I did some research, but didn't see anything strain or chemotype related.
The good:
The taste is the best ever! Neroli and peach just incredible. During cure it went through a brief phase of being just like a pavlova with straberries, passionfruit and toffee, but better.
The high is one of the best. I remember reading a high times article about the founder Tom Forcade (spelling), anyway this guy had his finger on the pulse of all the serious weed across the world, kept libraries of part smoked roaches, buds etc.
The interviewer asked if he could smoke one joint before he died what would it be? He replied that he would smoke half a joint of a thai buddha stick to blast him into orbit and then smoke half a joint of a soaring oaxacan to deliver him unto the final leg of his spiritual journey.
That is how it is. I had 5 day break, had some of this eldorado (1 or 2) stem loads in the LSV. The effect was profound, clear but I felt very centered, not blasted into the heavens like the thai. It is a chemical samadhi, you feel bliss radiating from your heart as you know the truth of your very existence in that moment.
I had a brief moment when I felt my every thought race to its conclusion so quickly that there became nothing to think about, every thought came to its own cul-de-sac in ever increasing pace. It nearly stopped my mind like a dmt hit. But it felt like a moment of possible enlightenment pending so I backed it off somehow
It to me epitomizes the 60's
Some words to help you:
Happy
Fun
Life Threatening Laughing (LLL)
Loving
Active
Hopeful
connected
Heart felt
Trippy
Innocent
Supreme Genius
The male was great too. He was more ceilingless than the girl.
He would get you to this place that sort or reminds me of chewing a salvia cud. You are most definitely in a different dimension all of a sudden. It is not extreme like smoked salvia extracts, but it is unmistakable.
It is very rare I think to have this experience. It is like a secret room that you can get too, and you go "I remember this place" when you get there. This is very like mushrooms for me. You enter a different world for sure. This is what I seek.
It requires great smoking stamina to reach these places IME. One hit wonders don't seem to do it for me, they don't give me the same high. I think it is specific terpenes that create a homeostasis or modulating effect in regulating thc across the BBB
There's my paltry experience, sorry for spelling, radical beliefs, unfinished thoughts etc in advance.
Please try double thai, it is a stratospheric, crystalline, rocketship experience of the highest order pun intended
I only got a male. but I vaporized him as a test and damn I love it!
He is strong. It has the true ceilingless effect, that is what I require in my trip weed. I am excited to think of what the girls could be like. Very racy, I think I got a pure meo thai pheno.sidenote: Thanks to Dubi your seeds are the best man.
I also tried an oaxacan in the form Eldorado from sativa seeds (aka nirvana). This is an extremely underrated strain. 9.5/10
The bad:
Firstly when growing this it is extremely pungent, it is like a chemical spill happened in your back yard. It is an ether like rotten fruit smell, it hugs the ground like a creeping doom spreading across the neighbourhood. I hesitate to grow it again because of this factor. Fortunately the smell while still intense changes into a more reasonable floral smell latter.
Secondly this pheno seems to create heart palpitations more than other plants. RCC suggested not breeding with these plants I believe. Which makes this hard since I crossed it with the double thai already
Major defect. I did some research, but didn't see anything strain or chemotype related.The good:
The taste is the best ever! Neroli and peach just incredible. During cure it went through a brief phase of being just like a pavlova with straberries, passionfruit and toffee, but better.
The high is one of the best. I remember reading a high times article about the founder Tom Forcade (spelling), anyway this guy had his finger on the pulse of all the serious weed across the world, kept libraries of part smoked roaches, buds etc.
The interviewer asked if he could smoke one joint before he died what would it be? He replied that he would smoke half a joint of a thai buddha stick to blast him into orbit and then smoke half a joint of a soaring oaxacan to deliver him unto the final leg of his spiritual journey.
That is how it is. I had 5 day break, had some of this eldorado (1 or 2) stem loads in the LSV. The effect was profound, clear but I felt very centered, not blasted into the heavens like the thai. It is a chemical samadhi, you feel bliss radiating from your heart as you know the truth of your very existence in that moment.
I had a brief moment when I felt my every thought race to its conclusion so quickly that there became nothing to think about, every thought came to its own cul-de-sac in ever increasing pace. It nearly stopped my mind like a dmt hit. But it felt like a moment of possible enlightenment pending so I backed it off somehow
It to me epitomizes the 60's
Some words to help you:
Happy
Fun
Life Threatening Laughing (LLL)
Loving
Active
Hopeful
connected
Heart felt
Trippy
Innocent
Supreme Genius
The male was great too. He was more ceilingless than the girl.
He would get you to this place that sort or reminds me of chewing a salvia cud. You are most definitely in a different dimension all of a sudden. It is not extreme like smoked salvia extracts, but it is unmistakable.
It is very rare I think to have this experience. It is like a secret room that you can get too, and you go "I remember this place" when you get there. This is very like mushrooms for me. You enter a different world for sure. This is what I seek.
It requires great smoking stamina to reach these places IME. One hit wonders don't seem to do it for me, they don't give me the same high. I think it is specific terpenes that create a homeostasis or modulating effect in regulating thc across the BBB
There's my paltry experience, sorry for spelling, radical beliefs, unfinished thoughts etc in advance.
Really good stuff, just wanna keep checking this out
shivamouse
New member
Thanks mack. Impressed? Yep. I was surprised because usually my expectations are too high 
The eldorado is a great party herb too. Cocaine like exhilaration, very chatty, gives you the thrill while allowing you to feel quite relaxed and unlike cocaine there is increased empathy.
Just some more incoherent ramblings.
As has been said before a decent t-break of at least 3 days is recommended when judging a strain. Of course more is better. I had one of several years, but smoking after that was not significantly better than just 5 days. So that is some good news.
Of course taking a t-break will lead to a very strong experience, but not necessarily the right KIND of experience. For instance after taking a break for 6 or so years I had the following experience:
ENTER THROUGH THE GIFT SHOP
A friend and I went to a park.
I vaped three pipes worth of Sativa seeds maui waui in the car (not driving). It was not much as the lotus vape has a very small bowl.
She had gone ahead and I said I would meet her in the park.
I got out of the car feeling a bit apprehensive. You have to walk through a gift shop to get into the park. I walked in, there were three people talking around the counter.
I simply could not understand a single word they said.
I kept walking ignoring them as best as possible.
I met my friend and we started walking along. With each step I felt this crazy compulsion to do a goose step type walking style, except my big toe wanted to flick my whole foot sideways at the last moment. Now I did not do this, but I tell you some part of my brain was signalling this event.
Then we started to walking down a hill and at that point I felt like I began to slide down the hill, which then intensified to the point that suddenly the whole world turned upside down. (A Friend also experienced the upside down-ness effect much to my surprise)
Yes it was very intense, an inexperienced person would have freaked right out. Anyway it wore off and it was fun, yes it was trippy, but it is not like what I describing with the ceilingless herbs.
So I forgot what I going to say
Anyway part of the mystery lies in the nervous system of the person, the weed, the growing, the set and setting.
If anyone doesn't believe weed can't make you trip, read this, it is in the public domain now I believe
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Hasheesh_Eater.html?id=ZZARAAAAYAAJ&redir_esc=y
Some of the best trip reports ever, I have never had anything like that. I can't get high from eating it (I suspect my pancreas is inadequate for processing) He demonstrates that with the right nervous system, thc can produce effects beyond what I have had on mushrooms. He has actual true hallucinations, not just psychedelic patterning.
The eldorado is a great party herb too. Cocaine like exhilaration, very chatty, gives you the thrill while allowing you to feel quite relaxed and unlike cocaine there is increased empathy.Just some more incoherent ramblings.
As has been said before a decent t-break of at least 3 days is recommended when judging a strain. Of course more is better. I had one of several years, but smoking after that was not significantly better than just 5 days. So that is some good news.
Of course taking a t-break will lead to a very strong experience, but not necessarily the right KIND of experience. For instance after taking a break for 6 or so years I had the following experience:
ENTER THROUGH THE GIFT SHOP
A friend and I went to a park.
I vaped three pipes worth of Sativa seeds maui waui in the car (not driving). It was not much as the lotus vape has a very small bowl.
She had gone ahead and I said I would meet her in the park.
I got out of the car feeling a bit apprehensive. You have to walk through a gift shop to get into the park. I walked in, there were three people talking around the counter.
I simply could not understand a single word they said.
I kept walking ignoring them as best as possible.
I met my friend and we started walking along. With each step I felt this crazy compulsion to do a goose step type walking style, except my big toe wanted to flick my whole foot sideways at the last moment. Now I did not do this, but I tell you some part of my brain was signalling this event.
Then we started to walking down a hill and at that point I felt like I began to slide down the hill, which then intensified to the point that suddenly the whole world turned upside down. (A Friend also experienced the upside down-ness effect much to my surprise)
Yes it was very intense, an inexperienced person would have freaked right out. Anyway it wore off and it was fun, yes it was trippy, but it is not like what I describing with the ceilingless herbs.
So I forgot what I going to say
Anyway part of the mystery lies in the nervous system of the person, the weed, the growing, the set and setting.
If anyone doesn't believe weed can't make you trip, read this, it is in the public domain now I believe
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Hasheesh_Eater.html?id=ZZARAAAAYAAJ&redir_esc=y
Some of the best trip reports ever, I have never had anything like that. I can't get high from eating it (I suspect my pancreas is inadequate for processing) He demonstrates that with the right nervous system, thc can produce effects beyond what I have had on mushrooms. He has actual true hallucinations, not just psychedelic patterning.
Looking nice fella. Love those foxtails and tiny calyxes! Be patient with those BHs, this strain is known to be a bit sterile and a hard one to breed with. Not sure if it's because of the males, females or genetics but even when heavily pollinated, only very few seeds end succesful. That's why even making new batches of seeds is a pain in the ass! So keep an eye on that.
Thaibliss, I selected one from several Nepalese and PCK seedlings, looking for a male. I selected a thin - medium leaf PCK male with good sructure. Way, too early to say much. Highland Nepalese may be a better mate for calming a haze or pure sativa (Destroyer).
One of the Nepalese female seedlings I culled in the process was a thin leaf seedling with potential. I'm currently selecting one or two Highland Mexican females and one Highland Mexican male. Cross to a Mango Haze / Highland Mexican female and a Highland Guerrero leaning female phenotype. I have one tiny Highland Guerrero-esque male seedling, but too early to tell on the females. There are a few Mango Haze / Highland Mexican seedlings in the selection mix. The Mango Haze females were 1) citrus phenotype and 2) a floral fruity phenotype.
Your growing skills are exceptional! I'm an old organic vegetable gardner and picking up some problems as the marijuana seedlings move from inside to outside. Its a cool and wet summer for Colorado gardening, definitely not a climate to grow tropical sativas.
PS> shivamouse thank you for your notes on Eldorado.
One of the Nepalese female seedlings I culled in the process was a thin leaf seedling with potential. I'm currently selecting one or two Highland Mexican females and one Highland Mexican male. Cross to a Mango Haze / Highland Mexican female and a Highland Guerrero leaning female phenotype. I have one tiny Highland Guerrero-esque male seedling, but too early to tell on the females. There are a few Mango Haze / Highland Mexican seedlings in the selection mix. The Mango Haze females were 1) citrus phenotype and 2) a floral fruity phenotype.
Your growing skills are exceptional! I'm an old organic vegetable gardner and picking up some problems as the marijuana seedlings move from inside to outside. Its a cool and wet summer for Colorado gardening, definitely not a climate to grow tropical sativas.
PS> shivamouse thank you for your notes on Eldorado.
This is some GLO F2 I´m growing outdoors atm.
Quite a narrow leaf but I think will be done for early October.
The effect is quite psycoactive (indoor bud).
Some purples at the end of flowering and nice fruitty smell.
I had some bananas indoors.
As I only had 5 seeds I´m doing a batch of F3 to have bigger numbers plus some crosses.
I guess that the purple thai heritage is there.
A detail of the male´s flowers.
Indoor buds.
Ha! A great post Shivamouse. I do want to try a Double Thai someday. I know someone who recommends El Dorado, "if you find the right pheno". Sounds like you did also. That someone was also the source of the Oaxacan picture that looks so much like the freakily excellent Neville's Haze I once had.
Once again, the Thai, Highland Mexican, and Thai x Highland Mexicans keep popping up in the universe of my mind, like a Field of Dreams. I can only repeat what I say to my wife... I'm working on it, I'm working on it.
Satva - I see you are working on it also. Nice choices.
Harry74 - What is GLO? Perhaps you posted about it before, but I'm old and lazy. From what heirloom varieties does it come from?
Thanks for the encouragement and help from everyone.
ThaiBliss
shivamouse
New member
Thanks to everyone here for the excellent information. I must say I am surprised!
Here are some things I really enjoyed reading you may not have seen
Haze article:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2763714&postcount=47
The second article about hawaiian (titled Paradise regained):
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2764551&postcount=53
enjoy!!!
Here are some things I really enjoyed reading you may not have seen
Haze article:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2763714&postcount=47
The second article about hawaiian (titled Paradise regained):
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2764551&postcount=53
enjoy!!!
Hi TB, looks like things are heating up there with a big harvest of Nepalese and a new Oaxacan and Thai to come. Interesting for me to see the burnished leaves on the ThaixNhz/MM, I'm scratching my head to identify where that trait has come from, I suppose the 6.25% Northern Lights is working it's magic!
Here's a couple of dried buds from two of the smaller ThaixNhz/MMs...I have a friend with a MMxOaxacan cut that he calls James Brown, because every time he smokes it he wants to jump up and shout, "I feel Good!", he said the high of ThaixNhz/MM was almost identical...
Here's a couple of dried buds from two of the smaller ThaixNhz/MMs...I have a friend with a MMxOaxacan cut that he calls James Brown, because every time he smokes it he wants to jump up and shout, "I feel Good!", he said the high of ThaixNhz/MM was almost identical...
Hi TB, looks like things are heating up there with a big harvest of Nepalese and a new Oaxacan and Thai to come. Interesting for me to see the burnished leaves on the ThaixNhz/MM, I'm scratching my head to identify where that trait has come from, I suppose the 6.25% Northern Lights is working it's magic!
Here's a couple of dried buds from two of the smaller ThaixNhz/MMs...I have a friend with a MMxOaxacan cut that he calls James Brown, because every time he smokes it he wants to jump up and shout, "I feel Good!", he said the high of ThaixNhz/MM was almost identical...
Hey Bushy,
Nice looking buds.
James Brown cracks me up, and gives me energy at the same time. I'm looking forward to feeling good!
I don't know if you can see from the pictures, but I've nearly choked the Thai x NHz x MM off through lack of nutrients. The Oaxacan is green as hell, and the Thai x ... just about died from lack of nutrients. I'm seeing a lot of colors that you may not normally see, due to the lack of green chlorophyll. I added more nitrogen, and it is greening back up in a quite unusual way. First there were a few small leaves, and now it looks green on the inner bud. The newest calyxes and tips of the fox-tails are yellow/gold. I think I'll try to grow one strain at a time. These two gems are too different to be growing out of the same batch of nutrients.
Not to worry, the buds are still throwing out new pistils, and I noticed that resin is just now starting to get going. It is looking a little less like fine velvet, and more grainy and sparkly, even on those small bud leaves. I'm very relieved to see that development.
Harry - Now I need to know what SPG is.
ThaiBliss
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