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The Search for Trip Weed

Truchoxki

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Sativa lover!!

Sativa lover!!

Hi Thaibliss!!

I'm very impressed with your job!! You're doing what I'm doing but with better and more resources than I am. I started some years ago, looking for the best sativa effect while also trying to find some thaistick, lambsbread haze!

I made a nice selection of Zamaldelica from Ace (scarypheno as dubi says) 4 girls are now in my room: Z3 (sweet fruit taste, stone effect), Z4 ( bitter mango taste, active and stone effect), Z8 ( floral pine taste, electric clear effect) and Z12 ( ripe carrot taste, anxious paranoic introspective effect). I believe Z12 it's my holy grail!!

Now I'm searching a much more mellow effect; Social. But mostly Im looking for a nice male for my Z!! My options are: NepalJam (JBM male?), Panama (green pheno?) and Banghi Haze (congho male?).

What strain do you recommend for: find a keeper (great taste, social laugh effects), find a male (resistent to cold coast climate, not tasty, long flower). I wil buy some package to make a good selection.

Saludos desde Argentina!! Chau che!!
 

ThaiBliss

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Greetings All,

Thanks for carrying the torch while I've been busy.

It's a shame that people would turn their noses up at those kinds of buds...

We'd roll a pinner, 3 of us smoke it and we'd all be high as hell for hours after that. We'd avoid going near town for a while hahaha.

Weed doesn't have to look like a HT spread to be really good!

Hallelujah

Thanks for chiming in Scott64a.

So many things about most people that I don't understand. Politics is driving me crazy lately in Trump land. LOL Glad to find peeps here that I can relate to.

ya describing this Mekong..........running chunklets at best........most today would toss away........till they smoked........then......

ganj on........

ganj' on is right! "Ganj" is the pronunciation that was passed on to me from Jamaica. I had no idea it was spelled ganja until I stumbled on it many years later.

Yeah the most trip weed I had came from Antigua. Looked like stright dark green lawn clippings. Not much crystal. Smelt like wet hay.
But had no ceiling and launched you like a rocket ship.
So potent it was a bit scary...

Mushroombrew - I like your moniker. Are you brewing tea for yourself or for your plants? LOL. I'm now brewing compost tea in 225 gallon batches multiple times weekly. I try to make it 50% mycelium 50% bacterial, but I have no idea if I'm successful except my plants are huge again this year. I'm growing 6 less than last year, 18, but my garden is way overgrown again. Next summer, I'm only growing 10 plants in the same area. I'm hooked on growing them big.

I've been lucky the last few years in finding good weed. Still don't have the "So potent... a bit scary" in combination with the quality of the high that I've been lucky with. I'm hoping Miss Universe or the Nanan Bouclou gets there for me.

Miss universe is from dynasty seeds

My favorite plant this year. It is almost as pungent as the Bangi x Wicked Weed cross. It is the most Thai looking and smells like bananas now. Lemon perfume candy bananas.

Thanks for the heads up on who bred this.

It's weed porn. Geared for eliciting a visual response.

Most excellent weed I have smoked were from small, airy, leafy, seeded buds. When I see those, my heart beats fast. Many times I've been disappointed, but not enough excellent pretty bud that it breaks the habit.

Except for my Wicked Weed:
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Ha! Brag... brag...

ThaiBliss..funny you mention Mextiza and Banghi Haze together. A few friends have compared them with Banghi getting the nod for being more euphoric.

They must have found a good one. I'm glad others are finding good Bangi Haze. I've been a promoter due to the extreme clarity and euphoria. It is trippy in that senses are distinctly heightened, especially hearing. Take a few hits and wait for someone to suddenly turn up the volume. Whoa!

Mextiza has quite a following. I'm looking forward to trying it.

...looking for the best sativa effect while also trying to find some thaistick, lambsbread haze!

I made a nice selection of Zamaldelica from Ace (scarypheno as dubi says) 4 girls are now in my room: Z3 (sweet fruit taste, stone effect), Z4 ( bitter mango taste, active and stone effect), Z8 ( floral pine taste, electric clear effect) and Z12 ( ripe carrot taste, anxious paranoic introspective effect). I believe Z12 it's my holy grail!!
Terrorific!

Hi Truchoxki. Good to hear you are all in for the search.
Good news. Z8 sounds really good to me. Glad you are finding a wide spread of excellent chemotypes.

Now I'm searching a much more mellow effect; Social. But mostly Im looking for a nice male for my Z!! My options are: NepalJam (JBM male?), Panama (green pheno?) and Banghi Haze (congho male?).

What strain do you recommend for: find a keeper (great taste, social laugh effects), find a male (resistent to cold coast climate, not tasty, long flower). I wil buy some package to make a good selection.

Saludos desde Argentina!! Chau che!!

I have had success with certain phenos of Bangi Haze. They remind me of my first experiences with Cannabis. I started smoking with very happy and clear Mexican strains. Laughing my ass off and grinning from ear to ear.

My cross of Bangi Haze x Wicked Weed is showing incredible uber pungent phenotypes with Bangi Haze dominant aromas. I'm very excited to test those. I have one with skinny Bangi Congo shaped leaves and heavy Wicked Weed (Burmese) stalk. I can't wait to see what the buds will look like.

I hate to report that I've lost a lot of cuttings. This subject just recently came up on this thread. Please don't try to give advice right now. I'm too sore to take it well. Ugh!

Some history: I had mites for almost two years. They were extremely virulent. I live in an area where you can't drive down the road more than a mile without seeing a ganja garden. I go on Google Earth, and I realize I could throw a rock in any direction and hit a plant. It is great that it is legal, as far as the state is concerned, to grow 4 plants for yourself. Very large commercial grows are everywhere also. I read that Oregon ranks #2 after California for most Cannabis smoked per capita. I think that only Australia smokes more per capita than the United States. Anyway, this is bringing more variety and more virulent pests than ever before.

I finally got rid of those mites by growing in rockwool cubes which allowed me to turn the plants upside down and submerse them in treatment solutions. I continued to grow them bonsai style in rockwool cubes in case of future infestations. After a year now, they all suddenly started dying. I think the rockwool cubes are breaking down and losing the qualities that make plants grow well in them. Freshly planted cuttings in new cubes are fine.

This die off happened amazingly rapidly and I did not react quickly enough. I have planted many in natural soil outside after sprinkling with mycorrhiza spores on the roots in an attempt to save some. I had to do this anyway to make seeds from a Bangi Haze x Wicked Weed male and a pure Wicked Weed male that I have selected due to their vigor and pungency. Hopefully, some will survive long enough to capture my genetics in seed form.

My plan from now on is to preserve less varieties at once in cutting form. I will preserve in seed form more often. I will also change the rockwool cubes after 6 months at most. I'm always learning, usually the hard way.

The good news is that I have two good lines going, and plenty of strains to try. Wicked Weed will continue, and it is getting more and more Thai-like every year. If the Thai x Colombia Gold x C99 survives to make seeds, these may be worthy of backcrossing it into a pure Wicked Weed to make it early enough for outdoors here. The Thai x Colombia Gold x C99 is supposed to be strong but with paranoia. Sounds like it will fit in this Thai-like Wicked Weed line. Hehe!

Bangi Haze x Wicked Weed is looking like an excellent start for the more clear and euphoric line. I have a male Bangi Haze x Wicked Weed cross that, if I'm lucky, will pollinate a SAGE and/or a Big Sur Holy Weed. I will be thrilled if I get even a few seeds. This will be a very solid start. I also am hoping for the Kali Mist to survive to make seeds. I was told that this particular Kali Mist has no paranoia, which is why I'm matching it with this male of my clear euphoric line.

Don't feel sorry for my loses. My successes are softening the blow. It hurts, but I don't have time for developing all of these that I've saved. I was overdue for getting cutthroat and killing off those that aren't up to snuff. I love them all, but as the great Luther Burbank said, "breed the best and kill the rest".

All the Best to You All,

ThaiBliss
 

Satyros

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Hello...massive respect for this project.

I certainly have never seen real Thai Stick, and in smoking for a little over thirty years, I can't see how a Sativa effect would be described as "retro" or "old school", it's simply: rare. Maybe because it used to be more common? If it amounted to 10% of anything I've ever been able to find, well, that may be an overly generous estimate. Pretty sure I've had the other psychedelic drugs many more times, and, from that, I tend to agree with the eight levels of Geometry and Ego Death. Can't really say that I've found that in any type of cannabis.

However, I would tend to hold that this plant is, perhaps, more of an inducer of natural clairvoyance. For example, one day I smoked a bowl of "something" (because the concept of strains is rather foreign to our black market), and when it went out, I glanced at my hand, and very steadily and continuously had x-ray vision of myself. Was seeing the bones with just gray surroundings and a thin outline of skin, basically, exactly like an x-ray photograph done by a machine.

For me, this kind of effect was totally centered on living organisms, it was not like my brain was an x-ray machine that could see through walls or containers or anything. Whereas other substances never worked like this--it seems like they might, if the geometry would hold still, but they seem to cause a sort of overstimulation that forces everything into a circus behavior.

So I recently decided to pursue this whole breeder's seeds idea, and used a seed bank which allowed me to pick two or three seeds of a variety of things. I think the Afghan or heavy stone buzz is great, however, it is not the be all and end all to what this plant can do, so I ordered things that span the spectrum.

While being able to make this sampler platter has its advantages, there was one minor drawback--it did not include the word from the actual breeder that the seed was discontinued. The one I got that *may* be a nice, almost landrace sativa and perhaps relevant to this thread, is Mekong High. It's supposed to be a simple hybrid of things around that river and close to the same area, one from the Laos side, and one from the Vietnam side of the border.

Hence, it may be futile to promote this as a trip weed even if it does turn out that way, as, I think, the only remaining seeds are feminized, and all you could do is clone it and try to mix it with something close.

But consider me an understudy here. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to the different kinds of Hazes or all these other lines being discussed, however, in terms of overall psychonaut experience...I know what time it is, and would really like to see how far this plant can open the door, and mental stuff is much more interesting. There's only so much that can be said about the ones that nail you to the chair.
 

MostlyMe

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Veteran
Hey guys,

I recently found out the processing of your harvest can impart trippy qualities as well. I grew out a Kali Mist, which turned out pretty decent but nothing remarkable when vaped as bud. Certainly not the clear, all-in-the-top-of-your-head KM I was hoping for (it was a long shot growing one plant anyway).

The alcohol extract (QWET) I made of it following the Skunk Farm protocol however is vastly different. It has the clarity of the KM I know, up there with Bangi Haze or Double Thai, though with a character of its own obviously. It's now far removed from the average weed we all love to loathe in this thread.

It's interesting that the change has to be result of some component(s) being removed. After all, the alcohol may not pick up all components equally and some may evaporate with the solvent. I kept the temperature as low as I could and only warmed briefly to 80 C to remove the last bit of solvent. The product is a reasonably clear amber oil. The 2nd extraction is dark green and has a high more like the bud.
 

weedtoker

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You do know that combusted vegetable matter makes a considerable difference in effects of the finished product (anedoctally of course) right?

And please correct me someone if I am assuming wrong, and for the sake of this discussion, but aren´t "solvent" extractions mostly composed of sesqui's and cannabinoids when they're run in a lab?

cheers and keep it trippy MM:tiphat:
 

MostlyMe

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You do know that combusted vegetable matter makes a considerable difference in effects of the finished product (anedoctally of course) right?

And please correct me someone if I am assuming wrong, and for the sake of this discussion, but aren´t "solvent" extractions mostly composed of sesqui's and cannabinoids when they're run in a lab?

cheers and keep it trippy MM:tiphat:

There's no combustion involved in my case. I only vape at 210 C nowadays, buds or extract. I am interested in dabbing too, though.
 

yesum

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I have to grow indoors but will try and get the harvested buds out in the sun at least 1 day. I know a lot of people say it just degrades the thc but 1 day is not gonna ruin them. Might help who knows?

I am using a 10,000 K fluorescent light with a bit of uvb cfl at the last week. Gotta be better than hps or blue and red LED.
 
There's no combustion involved in my case. I only vape at 210 C nowadays, buds or extract. I am interested in dabbing too, though.

Hey Mostly Me
I know from reading through this thread a couple of years ago that you are familiar with paranoia from certain weed. Does vaping at such a low temperature change your high to a calmer experience? Hell I can sometimes get anxiety from my beloved Mextiza while other times it hits me like a blessed gift. Microdosing every 15 to 30 minutes allows me to go on and smoke pretty much all I want free of paranoia. This means sacrificing the initial rush unfortunately.
 

MostlyMe

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Hey Mostly Me
I know from reading through this thread a couple of years ago that you are familiar with paranoia from certain weed. Does vaping at such a low temperature change your high to a calmer experience? Hell I can sometimes get anxiety from my beloved Mextiza while other times it hits me like a blessed gift. Microdosing every 15 to 30 minutes allows me to go on and smoke pretty much all I want free of paranoia. This means sacrificing the initial rush unfortunately.

Anxiety from Mextiza? Wow ;) I think vaping might be helpful for you. With the amount of weed you put in the vape and the length and frequency of your draws you can determine your dose much more precisely than when smoking.

210 C is not a low temperature in the vaping scene AFAIK though. Some go as low 170-180 C. 210 is well above the boiling points of the active compounds and I can't really tell a difference with a couple of bong hits. The high is quite different from a joint though, as I used to smoke with tobacco. There's a wonderful synergy between weed and tobacco, I miss it but for obvious reasons I shouldn't anymore.
 
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Scott64a

I have to grow indoors but will try and get the harvested buds out in the sun at least 1 day. I know a lot of people say it just degrades the thc but 1 day is not gonna ruin them. Might help who knows?

I am using a 10,000 K fluorescent light with a bit of uvb cfl at the last week. Gotta be better than hps or blue and red LED.

If it's the complex flavors and terpene profile of an outdoor grown variety you're after, it may take more than one day of them feeling the air and sun to accomplish.

THC is broken down by sunlight, but then... why are the outdoor strains I've tried all so DAMNED good?!?

:)

I love the idea of indoor, but really, I have always loved quality outdoor grown stuff more -especially strains that have been around my neck of the woods for decades of selective breeding. Just amazing.

Indoor buds always smack of "science project" to me.

Give me some larfy Acapulco Gold or Thai Stick any day.
 

ThaiBliss

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Oh man... well did you at least still have the sage and Hawaiian cuts?


I believe I've stemmed the die off by planting them in soil outdoors. Time will tell about the SAGE. I will be very happy with SAGE x (Bangi Haze x Wicked Weed), as well as others crossed by this male and a pure Wicked Weed male. Outdoor growing is the goal. The Thai x Col. x C99 and the Kali Mist are the healthiest, and really showing off in the bright sunlight. They look very happy. Seed soon!

I lost the Maui. :( That one is a heartbreaker.

The good news is that my grow cabinet is cleared out (LOL) and I will have made crosses that I've been wanting for a while.

ThaiBliss
 

ThaiBliss

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Greetings,

I'm watering in the garden today. I'm getting some more interesting aromas off the plants that have me excited. First, some pictures of the overall forest garden:
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Here is a close up of one of the pure Wicked Weed:
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My Wicked Weed line has lemon, menthol, skunky, and pine aromas in varying degrees. Like I previously posted, I'm culling the ones with the strongest skunky aromas. The Wicked Weed plant posted above has a dominant pine aroma. At planting time it was one of the smallest plants. It is now one of the largest, and it has heavy thick stems. It has almost swallowed up the 10 foot posts, which are about 8 inches in the ground. I'm taking a cutting of this one as a potential breeder.
 

ThaiBliss

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Here is Nanan Bouclou:
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Because I'm not sure this plant will ripen in time, I planted it in one of the worst spot, drainage wise. It has gotten huge despite this insult.

Yesterday evening, after rubbing a bunch of stems and smelling them, I noticed that the aromas from this plant were the most long lasting in a haunting way. It is earthy, fruity, lemony, and with a distinct basil herb note. It is strong smelling.
 

ThaiBliss

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This morning I was running around smelling stems again, and I discovered something. Miss Universe smells very lemony, banana, and sweet flowery perfume. I rubbed some older stems/resins down the stalk. I got a whiff of something that is reminding me very much of Thai. It is an oily, metallic pepper/bitter citric rind aroma. It is really haunting me today. It is making my teeth feel funny. Thai stick used to make my teeth buzz, like they were falling asleep as if my arm will if I lay on it too long, or bump my funny bone into something too hard.

I have only smelled this in Thai Sticks, the freaky Neville's Haze individual I had, and Gypsy Thai x Mullumbimby x Neville's Haze. The first two were the best weed I ever smoked. The Gypsy Thai cross was not so impressive, but I had a very difficult time growing it. Next time I do grow it, I will cross it with Wicked Weed to tame it. Then I'll test it.

Here is the Miss Universe:
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I hope it starts flowering soon.

I hope your gardens are doing well,

ThaiBliss
 
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Gr33nSanta

how did you eventually get rid of mites thai? Ive been battling them indoor for a couple few years now, I should really start over one of these days...
 
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