The search for a proper recovery pump..
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It recovers the butane for reuse. Here is a link to the original project.
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/projects/
If you hear that recovery pumps with any copper, or that any other copper component of your CLS is poisoning your BHO, that's what you get for not slapping down the postulators of BS when they start spewing.
http://youtu.be/sP3GpNW1Bgs?t=1s
Anyone ever substantiated and proven "leached shit from copper?"
http://youtu.be/sP3GpNW1Bgs?t=1s
Anyone ever substantiated and proven "leached shit from copper?"
that dudes retarded.
corrosion requires an oxidizing agent. hydrocarbons in general are poor... very poor oxidizing agents.
i suppose if your hydrcarbon were contaminated with water, you could see some corrosion, but it would occur verry slowly given that copper and brass usually form very good passivation layers...
the only exception to this is where galvanic conditions are allowed, or where the water passing over the copper is very acidic. in this case the acidic water will form cupric carbonate or cupric chloride or what ever the conjugate base of your acid is.
houses with old school leaded solder pipes typically only showed low single digit parts per million of lead... why? becaus that passivation layer makes the oxidation of lead procede very very slow.
his comparison of old moonshineers using car radiators is completely specious... as moonshiners were using water not hydrocarbons. water is a decent oxidizing agent, not a great one, but good enough to harm folks.
corrosion requires an oxidizing agent. hydrocarbons in general are poor... very poor oxidizing agents.
i suppose if your hydrcarbon were contaminated with water, you could see some corrosion, but it would occur verry slowly given that copper and brass usually form very good passivation layers...
the only exception to this is where galvanic conditions are allowed, or where the water passing over the copper is very acidic. in this case the acidic water will form cupric carbonate or cupric chloride or what ever the conjugate base of your acid is.
houses with old school leaded solder pipes typically only showed low single digit parts per million of lead... why? becaus that passivation layer makes the oxidation of lead procede very very slow.
his comparison of old moonshineers using car radiators is completely specious... as moonshiners were using water not hydrocarbons. water is a decent oxidizing agent, not a great one, but good enough to harm folks.
Lol queeqeg "I only took 2 years of chemistry, it's not much really." Lmfao you seem to know alot more then I do that's for sure!
Yeah the guys at instalation parts supply say the lead free brass and copper and solder thing was done only to snuff out small businesses like theirs. They talked about all the old ass pipes under big cities and how no one is seeing any lead poisoning from it. If you have proper drier filter setups and take moisture seriously, there should never be a substantial amount of water in your solvent.
Yeah the guys at instalation parts supply say the lead free brass and copper and solder thing was done only to snuff out small businesses like theirs. They talked about all the old ass pipes under big cities and how no one is seeing any lead poisoning from it. If you have proper drier filter setups and take moisture seriously, there should never be a substantial amount of water in your solvent.
I would say he's more of a clownshoe than "retarded" ... just sayin'
Sorry, the link showed as crashed for me, so I reported it and tried again with no success.
In answer to the general question, simple non-polar fully saturated Alkanes like n-Propane and Butane, with a dielectric constant around ~1.3, are not looking for metal ions, so copper sulfates and oxides are not soluble in it, at any levels of concern.
Sulfur compounds in butane will corrode copper into copper sulfate, and water, with a dielectric constant of around ~80, may contribute to oxidation with some of the components it transports, making it corrosive. Neutral Ph (7.0) water is not highly corrosive to copper either.
Solders used to join the copper may be of health concerns, if they include lead, though it isn't highly soluble in n-Butane.
Cutting to the chase, I've never witnessed that sort of copper corrosion of an Appion heat exchanger, and if it was corroded, without being soluble in n-Butane, the corrosion will not be transported and deposited in the meds.
That said, I use stainless for my own systems, even though it is a poor conductor compared to copper.
FDA standards require that sanitary equipment be easily taken apart for cleaning or cleaned in place. You can flush harsher chemicals through stainless, than copper, without dissolving the metal itself.
PS: Google "Fume Fever", which is a welders occupational disease from welding copper with no respiratory protection. not minuscue quantities in a dab. http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/81-123/pdfs/0675.pdf
I'm a fan of the Roji passive activated carbon clean up. Does that count?
I always get on the wrong band wagons.
fair enough. is retard now a socially unacceptable pejorative or something?
i dont know about all that, but i do know that lead soldered pipes, in certain water conditions is almost completely safe... still though. lead pipes in low LSI, low alkalinity and even moderatly high PH however can see unsafe single digit ppm levels.
lead in even PPB quantities is thought to be bad for small children etc. i think its understandable why it was banned.
ill take pex plumbing anyday regardless.... gimme dat home run loop + a circulator pump on every shower. best thing ever.
Thanks GW, if you would have the seen the video first your reply might not have been so even tempered, Bret really pounded the point with this one...used rubber hose linings as a fair comparison. Please try the video again, he gets on it, and stays on it. He's like me, enough smarts to be dangerous when mislead.
"PSA- refrigerant poison pumps" Bret Maverick
http://youtu.be/sP3GpNW1Bgs?t=1s
Was up at ecogreen yesterday, saw the cmepol that sean had tweaked and adjusted. They are selling them for 2800, god damn! He had them change a few things and hopefully these ones won't blow out at the gauges or fittings. Still a few more changes he's trying to get made in the future. Supposedly he says that they are pretty fast. I didn't exactly understand, but he says someone is running one with a 0 psi system and is recovering 25 lbs in 10 minutes. That just sounded crazy to me and I have no idea how you have a completely 0 psi system, there needs to be tank pressure to inject the material right?
This brings me to a question, can't we start using booster piston pumps to get more pressure after the recovery tanks? I have one for water for a large portable mister system, I'm sure there's got to be ones we can use, maybe tell cmp to start making them chop chop?!?
Also, sean has some really cool custom triclamp parts they are making and will be selling soon. I shouldn't say much because they arnt released yet, but I saw one of them and this much I can say for sure, everyone is going to want these. I'm seeing if he can expedite a few for me and I'll ask him if I can let the cat out of the bag next time we talk.
This brings me to a question, can't we start using booster piston pumps to get more pressure after the recovery tanks? I have one for water for a large portable mister system, I'm sure there's got to be ones we can use, maybe tell cmp to start making them chop chop?!?
Also, sean has some really cool custom triclamp parts they are making and will be selling soon. I shouldn't say much because they arnt released yet, but I saw one of them and this much I can say for sure, everyone is going to want these. I'm seeing if he can expedite a few for me and I'll ask him if I can let the cat out of the bag next time we talk.
I'll tell you the same thing I told sean. I'm going to sit back and wait until next winter and see how these things pan out. The ones he has already went through one phase of testing and tweaking. He's already got a second phase of upgrades planned as well. Hopefully in six months they will be battle ready! The one thing I don't like about them is their size, they are rather larger, probably more footprint than an appion. Hopefully one of them can move as much vapor as 2 tr21's, or more.
Sub zero on a recovery tank just sounds scary. Would probably have to buy a sweet ss tank with cryogenic rated valves. I think I have reached the point where I'm satisfied. Maybe if things change in cali in 2016 I'll go legit and bigger but right now I got too much invested already that I'll probably never make back hehehe!
Thanks for sharing brother SH, I wasn't able to suffer through the whole video, due to an elderly bladder, so may have missed key points, but hopefully caught most them.
I salute brother Bret, especially his enthusiasm and energy, though we don't always agree on the details.
I've seen some impressive recovery rates using just heat, a large surface area, and subzero chillers, soooo expect to see more inventions headed in that direction, with attendant costs and limitations.
Copper and brass as poison, is ill directed. Butane and copper are non reactive without polar elements like sulfur present, as its dielectric constant is only around 1.3 (Perspective), and all brass is not leaded(Perspective).
Fxxk perspective, what do actual measurements show??? Anyone can justify anything in their own minds!!!
Ummm, not surprising, a notable lack of metals in concentrates that can be traced to extraction.
The primary source of metals in extracts can most directly be traced to what you are feeding your plants, leading us to the deeply insightful ethereal theory that you can't make chicken salad out of chicken manure.
Some fish fertilizer and Bat guano, contain heavy metals, because it is concentrated in marine life and insects that Bats eat, which we've previously poisoned with Mercury.
Those paying intimate attention to the direction thangs are going, might perceive that cutting through the marketing hoopla and fanfaronade, hybrid systems are developing.
The Terpenator concept, has always used heat and cold, but speeds the process up with vacuum, supplied by pumps.
It continues to evolve, and already uses refrigeration, dry ice or liquid N2, to augment the process, and in my own personal perspective, currently kicks ass against all competition as far as efficiency and versatility. I evolve the design every time I perceive a new opportunity.
I haven't a clue where this rabbit hole is headed, and can only guarantee that I will continue to pay attention and focus on windows of opportunity that brothers and sisters highlight, or I fumble and stumble across myself!
At the moment, the Haskel is a sure thing and a done deal, but everything is fixed in time and the lucrative market window invites competition, sooooo expect it to be filled with other offerings in reasonably short order.
Who wins??? Hee, hee, hee, hopefully us'ns and the suppliers who decide to compete and who are also paying close attention.
I see some clever brothers and sisters who are, so who knows where we will end up?
As far as bio accumulation from what we feed plants, that's a touchy topic I've done a lot of research on. There's soooo many variables. With a solvent extract, most of what the plan chelates should stay in the left behind plant material. The worst however is aluminum. Living soil with lots of humid acid can break the alumina silicate bond. The plant chelates the aluminum and when you smoke the plant material the aluminum can pass directly through the alveoli in your lungs and into your blood stream. However the extract should hopefully leave that behind. I've said it before and I'll say it again because I want people using safe meds. If you or any one you know is using products like azomite that has high alumina silicate content, tell them to stop using it and discard the soil (if possible) because it can linger in the soil for up to four years.
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