The Reality of Climate Change

[ureapwhatusow]

Stop throwing graphs and data that none of you understand at each other, and think about it in simple terms. I dont see how anyone could think that what people do to the earth is not damaging it...

this is easy

not everyone is the same, there are a number of basic personality types

some have a sense of balance between themselves and the world around them and respond to the world around them with recipricotiy in a relative manner

some are seeming designed to counter the current paradigm, a diametric opposition deviant, natures alternative to creating balance

some are self preserving by nature, and in the course of analysis of problem the main focus of relativity is on the beings own self interest

There are other personalities, but these are the ones that seem to be most vocal here, this causes the disparity in views and passionate arguements

each is a natural conterpart of the human race and has place in this world, but I think we can be effected by genetic disposition, environment and personal evolution. I think that being in tune to the world around us and maintianing balance is what we are designed for are are evolving into begin capable of. I think that we are all evolving to become the first personality type I described in the first example.

this is what marijuana does for me, more so than any other benefits some of which are life saving for me. It has helped me evolve and see my relative place in the universe.

We can change we can united we can do it a way that is fair for all.

What is the prospective pay off: ?

peace love and unity

Ive have seen war, hate and seperation and IMO its overrated

 

[pSi007]

Unfortunately, some of us don't have the luxury of philosophical debates and are emursed in the reality of climate change.

Many veggy farmers in Tennessee are also hurting from heat waves and drought.

they say heat is killing everything in Tennessee and it wont rain sometimes for a month. My uncle who has lived there his whole life says, in his 60 years, he has never seen mason/dixon so dry.


I live in california.. you know that song, "California Dreaming" by mammas and the pappas? I think I`m gonna write a spoof to it called, "California Burning".

our heat waves are so dry and it has not rained in months. just a ticking time bomb to burn the whole fucking state down.

 

[SomeGuy]

I live in california.. you know that song, "California Dreaming" by mammas and the pappas? I think I`m gonna write a spoof to it called, "California Burning".

our heat waves are so dry and it has not rained in months. just a ticking time bomb to burn the whole fucking state down.

Thats the liberals fault too. If they'd just let everyone bulldose all the vegetation and pave over it, it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[gramsci.antonio]

hey but both SF and SD are below 25 °C... how could you say it's hot????

 

[pSi007]

SF is always cold... lol
pacific ocean breaks across 70% of San Fransisco's immediate surroundings.

In land california has burned more forest land this year than it has in centuries. can you explain that? I can, its called; rapid change, severe heat waves, months without a drop of rain.

Everyday, California loses more vegetation and trees to desert.

 

[kb5178]

Do not kid yourself.

Wise up.

how old are you?do you even puff?listen to your self bro why so abrasive?

 

[Pops]

Some folks need to learn the difference between seasonal drought (has happened hundreds of times in the past) and global warming due to high CO2. CO2 levels are far less right now than they were when dinosaurs roamed the land.

 

[FarmerJoe]

Please please please, when you people exploit and poison the environment where you live to the point where it will no longer sustain human life, just stay there.

Don't come here.

 

[chubbynugs]

I agree that we humans are accelerating the environmental changes that are happening. I also believe they would of happened anyway sooner or later with or without us. Would there be an opposite effect if there was no greenhouse effect? Like lets say our whole world was a forest what would our environment be like then? Would there be enough co2 to even maintain growth like that? Are some parts of the world getting more green while others are getting arid?

 

[1G12]

hard rain,
Show me the fuckin evidence pal. I'm sick and tired of all y'all saying there is hard evidence, yet you wouldn't know if there was or wasn't.

Wait...show me the fuckin evidence and you can shut me right up.

http://www.ipcc.ch/index.htm

Here is the web site for the IPCC report. The IPCC is a blue ribbon panel of climate scientists from around the globe that have concluded that human activities have influenced the earth's climate.

Now, since you continue to politicize a scientific issue and blow hot air (sorry for the pun) I am going to shut you the fuck up by putting you on ignore......
bye bye!

 

[Liam]

We just had an ice age people, Earths has been warming for THOUSANDS of years. Even if we stopped all CO2 emissions the Earth will still continue to warm.

So wtf is the point of killing millions to stop something that is natural? Anyone that suggests that poor Africans don't deserve electricity and the luxury we enjoy is a total douche bag.


BTW, marijuana growers are using ELECTRICITY to grow the marijuana you smoke, so if you truly believe in lowering mankinds CO2 emissions...

...then you need to stop smoking marijuana you buy... because as long as you buy marijuana the supply will be lower than demand which is what makes growing with electricity profitable. So even buying weed from people you know that grow outside, your still driving the price up.

So, every hippie that refuses to stop buying weed, but bitches about SUV's etc... is a hypocrite.

 

[otherwhitemeat]

Um, human beings contribute about 1% of of the world's CO2 according to most sources, so why are we to blame? Now MY generation has to foot the bill for the industrial revolution? Horseshit.

I spoke to some aging-liberal-hippy douche at a Dead show years back and he was up in my grill about the 35 inch tires on my truck---poor mileage, and how there should be a law...and this fecker had 7 kids, he wants a law to limit MY driving...but NO LAW to limit HIS BREEDING!

Does anybody remember the 'Global Cooling' scare of the 70's?
How about the hole in the Ozone layer?


Humans are already doing something about our C02 output by switching to shitty little cars with no horsepower. When we are old, we are going to laugh about 'Global Warming' just as most of us are laughing at Al Gore and his distortion of facts.

If we continue to pollute and degrade the planet by filthing it up with more and more humans, why do we care? How much hubris to think we (humans) are going to kill the planet?!?! Hogwash!!

To paraphrase George Carlin, when the earth is done with us, it'll shrug us off like a bad virus....If it gets too hot, the ice caps melt, people die...roaches take over. Problem solved. This won't affect me in the least!

Doesn't anyone know about the Gaia hypothesis? Our population is self limiting, and when our particular 'infestation' runs it's course, we'll be out of food...or water...and the only thing that'll survive will be bugs and fishes.

Ummm....so what?

 

[killa-bud]

its like,we try to precieve our self as being importent one way or another, WE destroyed the earth, WE must fix it,i honestly don't think we have control of anything,i don't think theres an argument wether or not we contribute to globle warming,we do....but who's to say that isn't what was suppoesed to happen? its not like theres a set rule how the earth is supposed to be,we(humans) think the earth is here for us,and us only...and if it isn't livible for us then its ruined,thats not the case...i'm sure there would be a wide array of animals that would thrive...so are we "helping" anyone but our selfs?

anyone see penn and tellers bullshit on being green?? carbon foot print fines,lmao

 

[hoosierdaddy]

The IPCC report is a politically driven joke. It is NOT a consensus as many have been brainwashed to think. Most have not even read the report or have any idea what is really within it, other than they have heard, which mean they now know beyond a shadow of a doubt that global warming exists and is caused by man.

Anyone who offers up the IPCC reports as proof of man made global warming are simply dumbasses. Ignorant to the facts.

Again, wise up folks. OR...continue to look stupid. We have options.

For anyone looking to read something from the other side of the debate, I suggest looking at the following piece. It is done by credible individuals, and not some activists with nothing but an agenda to pursue.
Not some whacko enviro website run by dirty butt, rotten toothed, leftists hypocrites, with very little education and poor hygiene.
OK,OK..I have to admit that many of these assholes have some education. Thing is, their profs are as ignorant as they are.

Try page 22 for starters. Read it, don't simply discount it when you see it. Read it. Then show me how the IPCC reports...any of them...are not politically driven manipulation of the facts.
http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers/6345050 Hot & Cold Media.pdf

Again, posting up the link to the IPCC report only shows you have no friggen idea of what this subject really is about. Besides, the folks that link to it haven't read it to begin with. They are simply on the bandwagon...duped and confused.

 

[Crazy Composer]

We are a drop in the ocean. Our industry sucks, granted. But I worry more about pollution, and water contamination than about global warming. The world is always changing, getting hotter and colder, never staying the same for very long.

Now, as for the scenario in the first post of this thread... you'd have the same conversations in a breakfast joint during the dust bowl of the 1920's. However, at the same time... There are MANY other areas of the world where things have never been better. The BIG difference today is... media. Anyone with a complaint can now be heard across the globe. A hundred or more years ago you may have lived in a wonderful farming area, even AS another civilization was losing it's land to drought and heat. You didn't know about it before the mass media, that's the biggest difference between now and then.

Do i think our industrial standards and habits suck... of course! For the most part I think they do... But not everything that's changing on earth has to do with us.

Where I live, and all the areas around us for hundreds or even a thousand miles... things aren't too far away from PERFECT for farming. We get plenty of rain and snow, the heat is NOT going up... we had a 30 year record for snowfall this winter.

And... I'd like to point something out to all the farmers here... PLANTS LOVE CO2. Trees and shrubs, grasses and flowers, lillypads and cultivated crops... ALL of them DEVOUR CO2. I don't know about you, but... whenever I drive around all I see is trees, trees, trees. I know the geographical area around my state very well... it's ALL TREES. And they are NOT hurting at all.

Cities are a different story, but then again, cities have NEVER been the healthiest places to live, breathe.

I believe we humans are just arrogant enough to believe we are in charge of the earth... Well, the Bible says we are the stewards of the earth... Which is rediculous. We are nothing more than another animal doing what we do. We act so righteous and then we die and get eaten up like everything else.

You really want to do something worthwhile for the earth? Get rivers cleaned up, remove dams so native fishes can spawn again, plant more trees, grow dope and smoke it to gain a better perspective, create clean industry (not just CO2 clean, but industrial/chemical waste clean), try to raise some of your own food, barter your goods and services for those of others, castrate big pharma by growing your own herbs (all medicinal herbs), welcome shamanic ways back into our societies, plant more trees... There's a lot more you can be doing for the earth than allowing yourself to be tricked into new taxes (CO2 taxes).

I wonder... How many tons of CO2 the US spews into the air by blowing up 1 terrorist and 40 civilians with a bomb? Look at those massive plumes of smoke! Granted, some of it is nothing more than burning families, but some of it HAS to be damn harmful to the atmosphere. I don't know about you, but... I'm not too keen on letting this givernment talk me into being scared about global warming, taxing us for it, and all the while families are being incenerated with bombs they bought with money they stole from us.

But, then again, does a rancher "steal" the wool from his sheep?

Good thing black wool blends into the forest shading, because I like my place out of the herd, in the forest. From my perspective, global warming is nothing but a sheep dog chasing white, compliant sheep into smaller and smaller pens.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

how old are you?do you even puff?listen to your self bro why so abrasive?

I am old enough to have been around the world and raised four kids. Just how old are you?

Do I puff? What the fuck sort of question is that? Although having absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand, I bet I have smoked more weed than you have ever even seen in your life. I have smoked pot on a regular basis since 1972.

I am so abrasive because I am sick and tired of this issue taking over our lives.
I am a caretaker of my earth, and I do what I know is right by her. I do NOT need some leftist asshole telling me what I should and should not do, just because they have been brainwashed by some other asshole. And it all boils down to the fact that if this thing is not squashed, it will eventually take over our lives and change them as we know them.
We will not be able to drive our pickup truck to the park anymore, because only ricshaws and sissy ten speed bikes (mandatory you wear very gay pants and faggy helmets), will be allowed in the park.
Not to mention the taxation that is sure to follow, which is in reality the whole cruxt of this issue. There are already international plans, orchestrated by the worthless United Nations for a mass redistribution of wealth from one country to another, all based on their carbon footprint.
This will not only change our lives as we know it, but the world as a whole, and for the WORSE!

Now if what was being presented were credible, then that would be another issue. But it is not, and there is no evidence whatsoever of the credibility of man causing any sort of global climate change.
There is a $500,000 prize being offered to anyone who can prove this issue.
As of yet, no takers. now, if the facts were in, and the global warming caused by man issue were decided, then why would someone not simply waltz in and claim the prize? It's clear why they don't.

More control of my life based on unfounded junk science and reactionary leftists...yeah, I'm abrasive. Fuckin A I'm abrasive.

 

[Four2Zero]

The IPCC is a political body. They have an agenda. Many top meteorologists and climatologists have allready come forth with their theories that GW as per the IPCC is flat wrong. Including the head of the meteorology dept at MIT and a bunch of others at the top of that field. The scientists that signed the declaration that the IPCC are mostly in non related fields. Al Gore got a Nobel prize for his movie and his work with IPCC... gee that should be a clue that its political. And while Im on the subject, there could not be any higher level of hypocricy than ole Al lives. Using enough energy just in his house to supply over 2o average homes. But guess what he's still a conservationist because he pays for carbon offset credits... did I mention he is an owner in the company that he pays this offset to. If the GW scare continues and he gets his way, he will make many millions of profit from this scam. Sheeples are being led down the path but not all of us.
F2Z

 

[Crazy Composer]

It sure is good to see so many folks seeing the forest for the trees here. Not long ago this was a one-sided argument. I used to like Al Gore's perspective... until I did some research of my own.

 

[Wiimote]

The only question I have for the "Global Climate changers" is: Why did Mars' global temp raise by the same amount, over the same time as Earth's has (which btw the global mean temp has been on the decline for the last 10ish years)?

I mean you can't tell me that a couple tiny rovers and drones can raise the temp of a whole planet as much as all the pollution we've pumped into the atmosphere of Earth.

This whole climate change is just the normal every millenium course of our planet. And the "green" movement is just another way to pry $ out of your pockets.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Why did Mars' global temp raise by the same amount, over the same time as Earth's has

Exactly.

(BTW, nice use of the apostrophe after 'Mars' to make it possessive. )