If I'm not mistaken those are Steve Murphy afghan photos out of marijuana botany.
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The Real History Of Northern Lights, Written By The Guys Who Did It
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IDK, I thought I had that book committed to memory by now, but those pics didn't ring any bells to me. And he said it was from "the Northern Lights book", or something like that.
15 yrs ago I selfed an extremely good local NL 90’s clone
it was called" the big nordern light”..or
nick name “Earl"
[who could eat 100 egg rolls ]
it was later finish outside than most outdoor..
but when it was done ..all other outdoor was ignored until it was gone
it was called" the big nordern light”..or
nick name “Earl"
[who could eat 100 egg rolls ]
it was later finish outside than most outdoor..
but when it was done ..all other outdoor was ignored until it was gone
You're right. It's from Growing Marijuana indoors by Steve Murphy.
Thanks. I don't have that one. To the google machine I go...
How to grow marijuana indoors under lights : Stevens, Murphy : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
61, [11] pages : 22 cm
archive.org
CharlesU Farley
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I'm going to totally admit my ignorance here but shouldn't Herbie's Seeds be added to that list? I just know from another thread that someone posted something about Herbie from Seattle, who got the #10 from Hawaii... blah, blah blah. I remember joking about something to the effect of, "... let me guess, you got Herbie's daugher drunk, fucked her and she spilled all the secrets of NL, didn't she?"
Here's my guess on what happened. Sensi made a shit ton of money, Ben turned it over to his son, and things just weren't the same without Nevil. The genetics were the same but the _environment_ and most importantly the _care_ that NL Seattle Greg and Nevil put into nurturing NL went out the window and some minimum wage worker in the NL, watering years old clones, just so they could produce _more_ fucking seeds, to _sell_ more seeds, and the plants degraded and demonstrated the effect of their environment.
But nobody at Sensi ever noticed, or gave a shit, 'cause the cash was rolling in.
Very much so and at this point, I'm not sure could be nursed back to it's former glory.
You don't know how much I _wish_ that were the case. But I'm an empath, and I can tell the difference is NLSG posts on Mr. Nice before and after the "discovery". The early ones were pure, the ones after the discovery hinted of "marketing".So this is where we might slightly disagree..? I tend to sway on the side of trusting people rather than doubting (youth eh?), so I am happy to take the story regarding NLSG finding the "#5" seeds at face value and believe that they could infact be Northern Lights #5 from the early 80s.
And please understand, I have the _utmost_ fucking respect for the man who created NL but I just don't believe the story. It's too fucking similar to #1... the so called "purest indica: which I know for a fact is complete and utter bullshit.
Close but the real takeaway from my journey down the Rabbit Hole is #5 was a _plant_, not a seed. Nevil was amazed at the #5 _plant_ he received from NLSG and what it could bring to matching with other varietals. He had other #5 _seeds_ but they didn't measure up, NLSG got wind of him trying to backdoor him with "The Indian" and shut him down from all NL seeds. The shop owned by Steve Murphy got busted, they all went to ground, and any documentation or specific numbered seeds got shitcanned because nobody wanted to do decades in prison for having seeds or printed info of what they actually did.
We'll have to agree to disagree on some of those points.
I don't have the time to list all my issues with Todd, I've debated on making a massive post exposing his so called "breeding experience" and that's why I got kicked off the RIU site. OS Buds was going to have some "splaining" to do.
But karma's a bitch and what comes around, goes around so I've decided not to waste my time taking him down.That's happening on it's own.
As far as Matt Riot, now he's a fucking joke. I have no earthly idea how NLSG got hooked up with him, some Podcast exposure no doubt, but this fuck, who supposedly has all these "mystery cuts" that he'll sell from 1k
, is so easily exposed by his posting history. Here's his first post on RIU (so fucking sorry to link to that site):Let's talk BAD EXPERIENCES WITH SEED DISTROS GROWHIGH.CO.UK
So I'm a total newbie when it come to growing. I tried using this company called growhigh.co.uk. Not only are they the slowest senders, but this last order they charged me for what i ordered..and then decided to charge my card a second time for an extra $63.44! I've been emailing for over a...
www.rollitup.org
And in case you think I"m bullshitting (which I doubt but just in case
)How do I start a seedling - want to use a bubbler DWC
So I just built my first bubbler, dwc... This will be my first venture into growing hydro. I have already started germinating the seed and some are ready to go, however, what's the provess for beinging these little beautiful ladies up if I want to use the DWC method from this point on? Any...
www.rollitup.org
Yeah, I'm gonna trust _that_ guy with my recently discovered NL#5?????????????????????
It's my passion, just like those Haze Crazies.
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SkyRiderUK
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Thank you for that detailed reply Charles, I really appreciate it. I'll have a read of those threads you posted.
Can I ask how you reverse engineered the NL? Where did you start?
Can I ask how you reverse engineered the NL? Where did you start?
CharlesU Farley
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Thought I did this yesterday... oh well, guess not.
Basically, it was simple observation. Certain plants just didn't look the same or have the uniformity that makes NL such a foundational varietal of cannabis.
See the Jan 27th entry for more detail:
SouthEast Lights Journal
Northern Lights cannabis developed in the SouthEast U.S. Environment
southeastlights.org
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SkyRiderUK
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Thought I did this yesterday... oh well, guess not.
You definitely did. Someone is trying to gaslight you into going senile mate
On a serious note, maybe the external link isn't allowed?
Either way, I am having a thoroughly good read. Not replied as I am still going through it
He told me he gave the seeds to Riot and Todd because he wanted to get the seeds out and figured they had completely different circles of friends. He still is on good terms with Todd but I know he doesnt talk to Matt anymore, I don't think he knew Matt was a certified tool.
He is a nice caring dude, not sure the 80s but he isn't a shiesty guy at all.
Steve Murphy got those seeds from some girl that had been tracking through that region and the Himalayas.
He is a nice caring dude, not sure the 80s but he isn't a shiesty guy at all.
Steve Murphy got those seeds from some girl that had been tracking through that region and the Himalayas.
Ahhhhhhhh.... seems riot is doing his job. From what I understand that's not the story but if you want to spin it that way go right ahead.
CharlesU Farley
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That makes sense, just wish he had a chosen more reputable people.
When you're getting smoke blown up your ass, sometimes it's kind of hard to see clearly.
When I got back online with cannabis fora around 2012, NL Seattle Greg's and Shantibaba's posts stood out as being pure, unlike almost every other poster, who had an agenda or obvious axe to grind.
I can certifiably guarantee this photo that Mr McCormick puts on his website, illustrating his purest indica (and remember how Neville described it and_ the pictures that are in Steve Murphy's book) ain't a pure indica:
Even a rank amateur, who's only been growing a couple years, would know those are _not_ the leaves of a pure Type II/Indica.
He should have tried passing that off as #5.
First time I've heard the story of who Steve Murphy sourced the seeds from, that come from NL Seattle Greg?
Yeah, I enjoy talking history with Greg he is still a bright guy(no dementia) and still smokes a bunch of weed daily. Definitely a hydro guy, grows all his plants inside and out in cinder and makes all his own nutes. Still takes college classes and still learning, he is getting into growing mushrooms now. He has been breeding those Freak Show cannabis plants and still grows NL indoors.
I can give you his phone number, he has got plenty of time and loves to talk or just DM him on IG.
I can give you his phone number, he has got plenty of time and loves to talk or just DM him on IG.
The term ‘indica’ refers to plants growing in (western) N India and when it was named Cannabis Indica Kabul/Hindu Kush was part of India. Plants in this region are bld/nld hybrids not pure bld only
CharlesU Farley
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Thanks for the offer but he wouldn't know me from Adam and I'm not an IG kind of guy.
But I would appreciate you passing along to him the website southeastlights dot org the next time you communicate with him, so he can see what somebody has done with his creation.
And pass along there's a guy in the SouthEast mountains who has much, _much_ respect for him and what he created.
Yeah man. I get you.
There's two sides to everything. Which actually makes it a complete story. It's not mine to tell but I will be honest with you about Matt. He's a decent guy. Abrasive, absolutely. But a solid and decent steward of the plant.
Any idea why Notso and him separated up?
I personally don't like the type of person that gets deep joy from slinging shit and will admit he is a bit less of an ass than he was and if Fletch and Caleb associate with him now there must be a reason. As far as his association with NL, he got the beans to Caleb and I think that is important. I have listened to his entire podcast library irregardless as there is some good info there.
I personally don't like the type of person that gets deep joy from slinging shit and will admit he is a bit less of an ass than he was and if Fletch and Caleb associate with him now there must be a reason. As far as his association with NL, he got the beans to Caleb and I think that is important. I have listened to his entire podcast library irregardless as there is some good info there.
