The Oregon Weed Thread -Grows, News and Laws and Whatever

[socioecologist]

CBD products will be in stores with a lot more regularity after the short legislative session finishes up; there was a rule in place prohibiting OLCC shops from selling industrial hemp, hemp extracts, and marijuana + hemp extracts. We may still end up with an outlandish requirement, imposed by Sen. Ginny Burdick, that all products containing hemp be labeled as such and kept separate from marijuana products (WTF?), but they'll be in stores soon either way.

Oregon is still home to some of the most stringent testing requirements, particularly for pesticides, in the world. That is threatened though. My fear is that the inflation game with THC % at labs is in full effect, same as happened in WA, CA, CO, etc., and will have a predictable race-to-the-bottom-in-quality outcome. Retail stores are shunning any product that doesn't test high (20%+), and, miraculously, all the labs are now certifying flowers with ever-increasing content. Remember when a lab test for 18% total cannabinoid content meant something??? I just saw a post on IG with someone claiming a 32% THC Oregon lab test on Blue Dream. Blue Dream. This is how transparency and accountability dies.

One of our targeted breeding projects right now is to create a CBGV-rich variety derived from our library of pure CBG lines. I spent the week grilling every lab in the state on their LOQs, equipment used, reference standard availability, etc. and it turns out only two labs can even screen for propyls ("V" cannabinoids) and neither of them have standards for CBGV or CBGVa. Pixis and Green Leaf can, however, screen for THCV and THCVa, with Pixis having a two times lower LOQ for the compounds. The LOQs over at Pixis are world-class and what you should expect to see in an actual lab.

Guess which lab growers stay away from in Oregon because of consistently "low" cannabinoid content results? Yup, the most accurate one around. I get it. No shop (or consumer) will buy an accurately tested 12% flower if there's a shoddily tested 32% alternative. The penalty we all pay for this, in the long run, is a playing field dominated by impropriety and inaccuracy. Not exactly the sterling example of science and public health I was hoping Oregon would set...

 

[beta]

I just saw a post on IG with someone claiming a 32% THC Oregon lab test on Blue Dream. Blue Dream. This is how transparency and accountability dies.

To be fair to Blue Dream, it's fire as fuuuuuuuck if it's grown well and allowed to flower for 10+ weeks.

 

[~star~crash~]

To be fair to Blue Dream, it's fire as fuuuuuuuck if it's grown well and allowed to flower for 10+ weeks.

 

[jocat]

Lookie what's going on out here in Ore...the state is more interested in new licensing than anything else, I'm down sizing my license for some of the advantages of micro canopy, you can make & sell keif & rosin without an additional processors license, just a form from OLCC that they OK, with the steady market changes since Sept. '16 it's been a ride. I was the 1st OLCC license in my county, proud of that, If you missed the 1st year you missed the sweet spot for now...hang in if you can. It's not just the market.... when you here of mislabeled pesticide products...supposed ORGANIC & safe to use till day o harvest..WTF trust nothing but the Einstein oil & predator bugs... I have never failed testing in 1 1/2 years of monthly harvests & will destroy a crop before I will expose myself/customers to chemie bullshit. So your company survival list: eliminate debt/unnecessary costs, maximize efficiency in the Grow op, sell some strains as workingmans weed (cheap) never sell some strains too cheap, get your breeders mojo on, what's new now is old hat tomorrow..work with something in the mid to high 20% THC range..one that has 23 with a 2,3,4 CBD. will be very popular...right now...& if you get in... never forget your living history and growing weed!

 

[OregonBorn]

To be fair to Blue Dream, it's fire as fuuuuuuuck if it's grown well and allowed to flower for 10+ weeks.

I dunno about that. I grew an old medical Santa Cruz strain of Blue Dream that was the real deal. It came in at 18% and that was GH grown and finished under lights and harvested at its absolute peak. No way you are going to get 32% THC from Blue Dream. There is just no way. But the labs these days make all kinds of claims. The issue with BD is that it is prone to botrytis, so late harvesting can be a problem outdoors or in a GH. Hence why I finished it indoors under lights.

 

[beta]

I dunno about that. I grew an old medical Santa Cruz strain of Blue Dream that was the real deal. It came in at 18% and that was GH grown and finished under lights and harvested at its absolute peak. No way you are going to get 32% THC from Blue Dream. There is just no way. But the labs these days make all kinds of claims. The issue with BD is that it is prone to botrytis, so late harvesting can be a problem outdoors or in a GH. Hence why I finished it indoors under lights.

I never said it had high THC, I said it was fire. Cultivars don't need high THC to be dank.

I don't mean to start a flame war with the (predominately outdoor) Oregon scene, but I've never had well grown outdoor / greenhouse / dep that could touch well grown indoor. I've smoked a LOT of Blue Dream and I was -never- impressed with outdoor samples and was very rarely impressed with indoor. Just my opinion and I totally understand that outdoor growers are all going to disagree with me.

It's one of those strains that's really really easy to grow mediocre quality, but dialed in it's the jam.

 

[ThaiBliss]

The potency you feel has as much to do with the ratio of THC/CBD as total THC percent. Isn't that the point of the comment of the race to the bottom?

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

CBD products will be in stores with a lot more regularity after the short legislative session finishes up; there was a rule in place prohibiting OLCC shops from selling industrial hemp, hemp extracts, and marijuana + hemp extracts. We may still end up with an outlandish requirement, imposed by Sen. Ginny Burdick, that all products containing hemp be labeled as such and kept separate from marijuana products (WTF?), but they'll be in stores soon either way.

Oregon is still home to some of the most stringent testing requirements, particularly for pesticides, in the world. That is threatened though. My fear is that the inflation game with THC % at labs is in full effect, same as happened in WA, CA, CO, etc., and will have a predictable race-to-the-bottom-in-quality outcome. Retail stores are shunning any product that doesn't test high (20%+), and, miraculously, all the labs are now certifying flowers with ever-increasing content. Remember when a lab test for 18% total cannabinoid content meant something??? I just saw a post on IG with someone claiming a 32% THC Oregon lab test on Blue Dream. Blue Dream. This is how transparency and accountability dies.

One of our targeted breeding projects right now is to create a CBGV-rich variety derived from our library of pure CBG lines. I spent the week grilling every lab in the state on their LOQs, equipment used, reference standard availability, etc. and it turns out only two labs can even screen for propyls ("V" cannabinoids) and neither of them have standards for CBGV or CBGVa. Pixis and Green Leaf can, however, screen for THCV and THCVa, with Pixis having a two times lower LOQ for the compounds. The LOQs over at Pixis are world-class and what you should expect to see in an actual lab.

Guess which lab growers stay away from in Oregon because of consistently "low" cannabinoid content results? Yup, the most accurate one around. I get it. No shop (or consumer) will buy an accurately tested 12% flower if there's a shoddily tested 32% alternative. The penalty we all pay for this, in the long run, is a playing field dominated by impropriety and inaccuracy. Not exactly the sterling example of science and public health I was hoping Oregon would set...

Does the proposed rules changes mean that it will be legal to sell high CBD hemp seeds in the rec shops?

 

[HerbGlaze]

Do not consume a whole 50MG Squib..

I was a medical patient in California and used edibles for a long long time. Then I moved here and laughed at a 50mg dose. Huge mistake! Products here are lower doses and 5x effective hahaha.
Williamette Valley, private message me.

 

[OregonBorn]

The potency you feel has as much to do with the ratio of THC/CBD as total THC percent. Isn't that the point of the comment of the race to the bottom?

This is quite true. The more CBD in the blend, the less the high will be, as CBD competes with THC for CB1 receptors.

But with medical, you want more CBD as it does more than THC alone. Also you can smoke a LOT more and not get nearly as stoned.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Do not consume a whole 50MG Squib..

I was a medical patient in California and used edibles for a long long time. Then I moved here and laughed at a 50mg dose. Huge mistake! Products here are lower doses and 5x effective hahaha.
Williamette Valley, private message me.

When edibles attack is one of my favorite things about pot. The overdoses are just a laugh

 

[OregonBorn]

Does the proposed rules changes mean that it will be legal to sell high CBD hemp seeds in the rec shops?

I believe that the new bill will mean that we will be able to buy hemp seed at any nursery or store, and hemp seed will not be under OLCC control. The bill was passed last week and is expected to be signed by the governor. Called The Commercial Hemp Expansion Bill, it will expand an existing hemp research program run by the ODA. The bill will also classify hemp seed as an agricultural seed, and direct the ODA to set standards for the seed, and create standard identification documents for hemp products made and sold.

My read anyway. Not much is available about this bill yet.

 

[OregonBorn]

Well, I have gown and cloned a lot of Blue Dream. It is popular with my friends in NorCal. My stuff is POTENT. One hit weed. Too potent and an odd high (or low) for me though. BD is a real genetic mutt. I prefer landraces and early cross heirlooms to these types of breeds myself. Like Grape Ape... clean clear high, one hit weed. Sticky and gooey and dripping with resin at harvest. Or Durban Poison, my favorite strain to grow and smoke. But it took me a few years to cross and develop a good stable Durban strain. I have been growing weed since the late 1970s, and I can pretty much beat anything available in any Oregon rec stores, in, out or GH. Its not rocket science, but good weed growing seems to elude a lot of people. Also a lot of these green rush growers do not really know much about growing, indoor or out. I buy grams at the local stores, and I am generally unimpressed. Even with the top shelf stuff.

I never said it had high THC, I said it was fire. Cultivars don't need high THC to be dank.

I don't mean to start a flame war with the (predominately outdoor) Oregon scene, but I've never had well grown outdoor / greenhouse / dep that could touch well grown indoor. I've smoked a LOT of Blue Dream and I was -never- impressed with outdoor samples and was very rarely impressed with indoor. Just my opinion and I totally understand that outdoor growers are all going to disagree with me.

It's one of those strains that's really really easy to grow mediocre quality, but dialed in it's the jam.

 

[HorseMouth]

If Beta never had anything than can compare to his own personal stash than so be it. And he's NEVER had any kind of Outdoor that could touch just well grown indoor.

That's hilarious. I remember when I was 12 years old too.

Peace

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Well, I have gown and cloned a lot of Blue Dream. It is popular with my friends in NorCal. My stuff is POTENT. One hit weed. Too potent and an odd high (or low) for me though. BD is a real genetic mutt. I prefer landraces and early cross heirlooms to these types of breeds myself. Like Grape Ape... clean clear high, one hit weed. Sticky and gooey and dripping with resin at harvest. Or Durban Poison, my favorite strain to grow and smoke. But it took me a few years to cross and develop a good stable Durban strain. I have been growing weed since the late 1970s, and I can pretty much beat anything available in any Oregon rec stores, in, out or GH. Its not rocket science, but good weed growing seems to elude a lot of people. Also a lot of these green rush growers do not really know much about growing, indoor or out. I buy grams at the local stores, and I am generally unimpressed. Even with the top shelf stuff.

To be fair to the weed store stuff, it has to go through a lot more handling before it gets to your bowl than the homegrown does. I saw more than once nice stuff mishandled to it's detriment by people who had nothing to do with the grow. Of course you're still correct about homegrown material being just as good if not better, everyone has access to the same info and materials for growing with and anyone who puts their head to it can grow good stuff if the put in the hours, I just wanted to point out that not all of the negative characteristics of weed store material are the responsibility of the producer.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

I believe that the new bill will mean that we will be able to buy hemp seed at any nursery or store, and hemp seed will not be under OLCC control. The bill was passed last week and is expected to be signed by the governor. Called The Commercial Hemp Expansion Bill, it will expand an existing hemp research program run by the ODA. The bill will also classify hemp seed as an agricultural seed, and direct the ODA to set standards for the seed, and create standard identification documents for hemp products made and sold.

My read anyway. Not much is available about this bill yet.

That sounds like interesting news, thanks for filling me in. Seems like that might be bad for all the rec growers who are currently supplying the shops with high CBD material, but otherwise pretty positive.
I'm in the middle of judging a bunch of rec CBD bud samples for a weed contest and some of it is real A+ stuff, all-around excellent on all levels, ahuge leap forward from the days when Harle-tsu was queen of the CBD world and that wasn't all that long ago. So I kinda feel bad for those folks if they're all about to lose out to mass produced industrial products.

 

[geneva_sativa]

Is Maui Bubble Gift still floating around ?

I had found some in Seattle dispensary a few years ago

 

[immaculate]

Thanks for the replies guys.

@jocat: Good looking out.

@OregonBorn: I was under the impression that an "industrial hemp" growers license was available already to apply for. In the 1400 dollar range, and only takes a few weeks to process. I understand that the recreational cannabis growers license costs something like 5400 dollars and takes months to process. Can you confirm this? With the hemp license I am told you can grow specific strains that are bred to have less than the legally-defined THC amount, yet are high in CBD content. Is this true? Thanks.

 

[socioecologist]

I believe that the new bill will mean that we will be able to buy hemp seed at any nursery or store, and hemp seed will not be under OLCC control. The bill was passed last week and is expected to be signed by the governor. Called The Commercial Hemp Expansion Bill, it will expand an existing hemp research program run by the ODA. The bill will also classify hemp seed as an agricultural seed, and direct the ODA to set standards for the seed, and create standard identification documents for hemp products made and sold.

My read anyway. Not much is available about this bill yet.

The bill passed last week, on the governor's desk for signing. Hemp seed is still regulated by ODA and will not be available as described above. One of the elements in the bill makes clear that home growers can grow hemp as part of their 4 plant allotment. In theory, a registered seed producer could get a hemp endorsement from OLCC and then sell directly to retailers, so there is a path for seed if someone wanted to pursue it. It's definitely not something we'll be doing.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Is Maui Bubble Gift still floating around ?

I had found some in Seattle dispensary a few years ago

I got a sample of Ringo's Bubble Gift from East Fork Cultivars a few days ago with a crazy loud candy odor, but the last time I saw Maui Bubble Gift was about two years ago.