The Oregon Weed Thread -Grows, News and Laws and Whatever

[DAT]

Yes, the $480 is on top of all other costs to grow OMMP weed. The $480 is the cost of the CTS (Cannabis Tracking System) for inventory and tagging. The inventory ID tags themselves are another .25 to .45 cents each, depending on how many you buy at a time from Franwell. You also have to attend a mandatory training session on the CTS system before they will allow you to use it. Rec costs for the Franwell CTS system are included in the annual OLCC license fees. However, OMMP CTS users will have to pay the separate CTS fees to use the system. I cannot find anywhere if the OMMP CTS fees are one time or annual. The devil is in the details, which will not be available from the state until 2018.

OMMP is shameful.
and until last month they expected one to take very dumb test and pay $100 to get a workers permit to be able to work in a legal rec environment. SHAMEFUL!! and they are not the only Oregon organization to do this. Recently a friend was interested in a Flagging position for road construction and again, the company, required you to pay $80 to go through a day long class and then drop another $100 on STOP and SLOW slgns that you would need for the job, and then you might get hired . These are labor positions that pay $13 an hour or less.

The world is a sad place right now, very sad.

Hearing about the 15 year olds' setting the forest fire, once again, shows how stupid our society is. People just don't think .... and the population increases... stupid people breeding more and more stupid people.

I say BAN all fireworks from the PNW starting TODAY! the truth is that fireworks are more harmful then good today. If you want to go see a Fireworks show. then go somewhere else. I hate BANS and having to BAN things but if the BAN will help protect our greatest asset, mother nature.. I say protect her! and do it swiftly and promptly before this happens again.

Does anyone have a problem with this. Fuck, your dogs will thank you too! BANG.

 

[DAT]

I was a teenager in the UK around 1990. Bud was non existent. We were all hash connoisseurs. There were 9 distinct types!

But I wanted to try bud. I remember an Aussie friend describing bud to me. It sounded so wierd. I was a kid and had no idea where hash came from...I just smoked it haha!

I started indoor growing way before Amsterdam was a "thing"

Funny how quickly times change. I bet in 20 years people will be getting cannabinoids into them in all kinds of ways!

fuck, the UK is ass backwards. no bud but plenty of hash. so wierd. I guess it was a political European Hash Mafia Trade keeping bud out. You do get more Bang for your Buck with hash.
It was the same way with me but with bud back in New Jersey growing up. We just bought dime bags and had not idea what the name was or where it cam from , and man oh man, it was amazing.
Simpler Times for sure.
People are getting Cannabinoids in so many forms already and I have tried a good many of them.. medibles, wax, shatter, hash, bud, capsules, liquid form, vape, smoke,...blah blah blah.. Nothing compares to a good Bong rip with quality flower, in my opinion. So dont even waste my time or money with all the hip new trendy shit anymore.

 

[OregonBorn]

I was a teenager in the UK around 1990. Bud was non existent. We were all hash connoisseurs. There were 9 distinct types!

But I wanted to try bud. I remember an Aussie friend describing bud to me. It sounded so wierd. I was a kid and had no idea where hash came from...I just smoked it haha!

I started indoor growing way before Amsterdam was a "thing"

Funny how quickly times change. I bet in 20 years people will be getting cannabinoids into them in all kinds of ways!

In California in the 70/80s we had gobs of seeded bag weed from Colombia and Mexico, and hashish from Morocco, Blonde and Red hash from Lebanon and also hash from Afghanistan. Occasionally we also had bright green temple balls from Nepal. We also had a lot of Thai sticks in the 70s, but they changed in the 80s. Usually the weed ran low around this time of year before the Mexican harvests, and hashish filled the void nicely.

I started indoor grows in the mid 70s under florescent lights.

 

[OregonBorn]

OMMP is shameful.
and until last month they expected one to take very dumb test and pay $100 to get a workers permit to be able to work in a legal rec environment. SHAMEFUL!! and they are not the only Oregon organization to do this. Recently a friend was interested in a Flagging position for road construction and again, the company, required you to pay $80 to go through a day long class and then drop another $100 on STOP and SLOW slgns that you would need for the job, and then you might get hired . These are labor positions that pay $13 an hour or less.

Indeed. OMMP is under the OHA, and that is where the real problems lay. OHA is a big joke, like most other state run organizations in Oregon. OHA really wants nothing to do with OMMP, and they have said so publicly. Nor are they interested in people being healthy, really. Or investigating medical weed for medical purposes. The whole OHA/OHP Obamacare thing imploded, and they spent like 200 million on ads and an online cumputer system that failed miserably. I have spent hours and hours on the phone with the OHA. When I complain about how fucked up they are, they say things like, "The OHA is just not what it should be" or "We could be a better organization, yes", or something cute like that. Its all one speed government employees that do not give a shit about anything. Except their fat pensions.

The world is a sad place right now, very sad.

Hearing about the 15 year olds' setting the forest fire, once again, shows how stupid our society is. People just don't think .... and the population increases... stupid people breeding more and more stupid people.

I say BAN all fireworks from the PNW starting TODAY! the truth is that fireworks are more harmful then good today. If you want to go see a Fireworks show. then go somewhere else. I hate BANS and having to BAN things but if the BAN will help protect our greatest asset, mother nature.. I say protect her! and do it swiftly and promptly before this happens again.

Does anyone have a problem with this. Fuck, your dogs will thank you too! BANG.

Agreed on the PNW fireworks thing. Washington state is the issue here. They sell all kinds of fireworks there every year in state, and basically they are all means of starting massive fires like the one on the gorge now. They are all for the most part illegal in Oregon. But people buy them there and drag them back here every year. And start fires... last year it was some goons shooting exploding targets that started a big fire down in Estacada. Same thing, they started the fire and then took off. Seems that these millennials do not care about anything but their cell phones and text messages. They drive off cliffs responding to text messages. And then take selfies all the way down... *splat* "was that cool or what?"

 

[Aota1]

OLCC Partners With Law Enforcement to Tackle Illegal Marijuana Operations
New Collaborative Approach and Policy Change


Medford, OR -- The Oregon Liquor Control Commission today met with law enforcement officials, local district attorneys and US attorney’s office officials to announce policy changes and partnership efforts. Director Steven Marks informed the group today of OLCC’s licensing and enforcement efforts and announced policy changes to further constrict the diversion of marijuana into the illegal market.

In order to ensure that marijuana produced during the 2017 outdoor growing season isn’t diverted to the illegal market the OLCC is making an exception to rules defining mature plants for outdoor producers. The exception will apply to applicants that submitted valid applications to the OLCC before June 23, 2017. “This step is one of the remedies we’re putting into place in order to ensure the success of the regulated marijuana market, and to further reduce the ability of product to reach the illegal market,” said Steven Marks, OLCC Executive Director.

Oregon State Police will have a marijuana team co-locate with the OLCC Medford regional office. There will also be a team assigned out of the OSP office in Salem or Portland. “OSP has the expertise and resources to figure out which law enforcement agencies need to be involved, whether it’s a city police department or multi-agency task force,” said Marks. “Together we can address that gray area, illegal grows and processing sites that OLCC doesn’t have the ability to regulate and bring forward for prosecution.”

Since January 1, 2017 the OLCC has received almost 1,000 new recreational marijuana applications and about 400 of those were for outdoor or mixed production licenses. In addition to processing these new applications OLCC staff have been handling license renewals and license changes.

As the 2017 fall harvest approaches the OLCC is trying to get as many people licensed and into the regulated system. At the same time Oregon’s legalized marijuana industry has been supportive of compliance and enforcement activity. “As the second outdoor harvest under the regulated system approaches the OLCC expects better reporting and compliance,” said Marks. “Licensees have been using the Cannabis Tracking System for a year and our staff is in a better position to manage and control the regulated system.”

 

[beta]

Hashish has been replaced with dabbs (shatter, wax, etc.) and oil. These kiddies these days do not know what real hashish is.

Shatter / wax / oil IS hash.

Also, 'dab' is a verb, not a noun. You don't have dabs, you dab some oil.

 

[mushroombrew]

Shatter / wax / oil IS hash.

Also, 'dab' is a verb, not a noun. You don't have dabs, you dab some oil.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Hashish has leaf material in it. And is made by hand not with solvents.

And if we must to go down the grammar road a "dab" is both noun and verb brother. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dab

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

OLCC Partners With Law Enforcement to Tackle Illegal Marijuana Operations
New Collaborative Approach and Policy Change


Medford, OR -- The Oregon Liquor Control Commission today met with law enforcement officials, local district attorneys and US attorney’s office officials to announce policy changes and partnership efforts. Director Steven Marks informed the group today of OLCC’s licensing and enforcement efforts and announced policy changes to further constrict the diversion of marijuana into the illegal market.

In order to ensure that marijuana produced during the 2017 outdoor growing season isn’t diverted to the illegal market the OLCC is making an exception to rules defining mature plants for outdoor producers. The exception will apply to applicants that submitted valid applications to the OLCC before June 23, 2017. “This step is one of the remedies we’re putting into place in order to ensure the success of the regulated marijuana market, and to further reduce the ability of product to reach the illegal market,” said Steven Marks, OLCC Executive Director.

Oregon State Police will have a marijuana team co-locate with the OLCC Medford regional office. There will also be a team assigned out of the OSP office in Salem or Portland. “OSP has the expertise and resources to figure out which law enforcement agencies need to be involved, whether it’s a city police department or multi-agency task force,” said Marks. “Together we can address that gray area, illegal grows and processing sites that OLCC doesn’t have the ability to regulate and bring forward for prosecution.”

Since January 1, 2017 the OLCC has received almost 1,000 new recreational marijuana applications and about 400 of those were for outdoor or mixed production licenses. In addition to processing these new applications OLCC staff have been handling license renewals and license changes.

As the 2017 fall harvest approaches the OLCC is trying to get as many people licensed and into the regulated system. At the same time Oregon’s legalized marijuana industry has been supportive of compliance and enforcement activity. “As the second outdoor harvest under the regulated system approaches the OLCC expects better reporting and compliance,” said Marks. “Licensees have been using the Cannabis Tracking System for a year and our staff is in a better position to manage and control the regulated system.”

Measure 91
SECTION 1.

(1) The People of the State of Oregon declare that the purposes of this Act are:

(a) To eliminate the problems caused by the prohibition and uncontrolled manufacture, delivery, and possession of marijuana within this state;
(b) To protect the safety, welfare, health, and peace of the people of this state by prioritizing the state's limited law enforcement resources in the most effective, consistent, and rational way;

Measure 91 has barely been state law for two years and its already almost entirely disregarded. The part about Oregon not being responsible for other states' "drug problems" is minor, but the part about misallocation of resources isn't. Every single state goon cost a fortune, they live like little princesses with cradle to grave health care & pensions and government workers salaries just magically keep going up even though wages have been pretty flat for everyone else over the past couple decades. Instead of saving resources on law enforcement, the OLCC has become a beehive of enforcement activity and now they're creating new positions for even more increasingly unqualified LEOs. Probably gonna have to build more prisons too.
The type of bullshit you have to put up with living under the rule of an an entrenched single party government is hard to stomach.

Some people thought that because state resources would no longer be wasted interdicting harmless marijuana that state police would be better able to protect Oregon from deadly heroin and meth. If any of you have been in Portland recently you might have noticed that we have a bit of a growing issue with meth and heroin crowds lately. They doing anything special about that? Why do that have such a hardon to protect wholesale pot dealers in Indiana and Tennessee from competition? Surely they couldn't have be coerced into perversion by the douchebags selling $15 grams at the dispensaries. Remember when all the dispensary owners got into the medical business in late 2014 "for the patients"
hahaha what a gas, what a great crowd of folks, glad they all moved here from SoCal to entertain us.

 

[mushroombrew]

Measure 91 has barely been state law for two years and its already almost entirely disregarded. The part about Oregon not being responsible for other states' "drug problems" is minor, but the part about misallocation of resources isn't. Every single state goon cost a fortune, they live like little princesses with cradle to grave health care & pensions and government workers salaries just magically keep going up even though wages have been pretty flat for everyone else over the past couple decades. Instead of saving resources on law enforcement, the OLCC has become a beehive of enforcement activity and now they're creating new positions for even more increasingly unqualified LEOs. Probably gonna have to build more prisons too.
The type of bullshit you have to put up with living under the rule of an an entrenched single party government is hard to stomach.

Some people thought that because state resources would no longer be wasted interdicting harmless marijuana that state police would be better able to protect Oregon from deadly heroin and meth. If any of you have been in Portland recently you might have noticed that we have a bit of a growing issue with meth and heroin crowds lately. They doing anything special about that? Why do that have such a hardon to protect wholesale pot dealers in Indiana and Tennessee from competition? Surely they couldn't have be coerced into perversion by the douchebags selling $15 grams at the dispensaries. Remember when all the dispensary owners got into the medical business in late 2014 "for the patients"
hahaha what a gas, what a great crowd of folks, glad they all moved here from SoCal to entertain us.

I was just in Portland. Did notice a huge junkie crowd vs 3yrs ago.
Same shit in SF. Everywhere is feeling a bit "darker".

I am totally floored by the opiate thing. I never expected it to get this bad.

I wonder how the heroin is getting out of afghanistan these days?
Probably in US deuce and a halfs...

I wouldn't worry about this OLCC enforcement thing. I am pretty sure the resurgence of the issue is related to Sessions letters. They are just preening their feathers.

Because they know they cannot stop BM in OR. But as the wholesale BM prices drop those gray area growers will get thinned out I think.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

I was just in Portland. Did notice a huge junkie crowd vs 3yrs ago.
Same shit in SF. Everywhere is feeling a bit "darker".

I am totally floored by the opiate thing. I never expected it to get this bad.

I wonder how the heroin is getting out of afghanistan these days?
Probably in US deuce and a halfs...

I wouldn't worry about this OLCC enforcement thing. I am pretty sure the resurgence of the issue is related to Sessions letters. They are just preening their feathers.

Because they know they cannot stop BM in OR. But as the wholesale BM prices drop those gray area growers will get thinned out I think.

OLCC is a bureaucratic fiefdom ostensibly loyal to the state, but for hire to any reasonable bidder in reality. Now they have their own standing army too. The federal government has a 3 trillion dollar budget to use keeping themselves satisfied. As you noted market forces will get rid of whatever fraction of the black market thats isn't immortal. The government has never been able to do what the invisible hand of the free market does effortlessly.

That is why we made it state law to not waste resources in this fashion. If you tell me not to worry when an armed force of state goons is above the law, you're gonna have to supply me with some dank Somali landrace nugs before I'd believe you. I grew up in Virginia so Sic Semper Tyrannis and all that. Give government pigs an inch and they take a mile every time. They might be a necessary evil, but that just means that they're evil.

 

[mushroombrew]

Having met many of the OLCC employees I personally feel they are there to help. Sure it's a regulated industry now. What did you expect? Freedom? That is never the case. If anything things tend to tighten up. And fees all increase over time. As do enforcement and fines. Just like many other regulated industries. Like A, T, F and construction...

No going back now.

I would like to see some sort of "grace" amount anyone can sell. Still pesticide panels etc. But I think everyone should be allowed to sell a given amount per year. Probably to a wholesaler. It would have to go into the CTS. Maybe a CO OP license of sorts?

Then a 4 plant guy can play too.

 

[thesloppy]

This thread is very informative, thanks for the info and keep posting fellas.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Having met many of the OLCC employees I personally feel they are there to help. Sure it's a regulated industry now. What did you expect? Freedom? That is never the case. If anything things tend to tighten up. And fees all increase over time. As do enforcement and fines. Just like many other regulated industries. Like A, T, F and construction...

No going back now.

I would like to see some sort of "grace" amount anyone can sell. Still pesticide panels etc. But I think everyone should be allowed to sell a given amount per year. Probably to a wholesaler. It would have to go into the CTS. Maybe a CO OP license of sorts?

Then a 4 plant guy can play too.

You're completely correct about it being a regulated industry and all that goes along with that, but Measure 91 is at the top of those regulations. Our government has the legal tools available to them if they want to alter statue to permit wasting funds on substantial cannabis law enforcement. The OLCC does not have those powers nor does any of the state government's other departmental branches, including law enforcement, only the state legislature can change statue law.

 

[frostqueen]

I have no idea how indoor growers even get a whiff of a profit in the Rec world.

I did the math on it last year and the final profit for a small indoor farm was about ~$60 an ounce... and then you had to pay taxes on that.



Oregon's entire system is set up for multi-million dollar factory weed production. Small farmers have no choice but to give it up or keep working the gray market until it disappears. I sense that's coming very soon, or that the indoor wholesale price point will drop below 14, at which point it's time to move on regardless.

 

[OregonBorn]

Shatter / wax / oil IS hash.

Also, 'dab' is a verb, not a noun. You don't have dabs, you dab some oil.

What I consider as hashish is Cannabis that has been sifted for the trichomes and the trichome resin and plant material is then pounded and/or molded by hand. The sifting and pounding process was used to make Nepalese fingers, Temple Balls, Afghani, Turkish, Lebanese and Moroccan hashish for centuries. Hash oil is/was an old school extract that is made from soaking Cannabis in some type of alcohol (usually ethanol or isopropyl) to dissolve the cannabinoids and then filtering the resulting soup and allowing the alcohol to evaporate or boil off leaving the concentrated oil residue high in cannabinoids. There is also BHO, or Butane Hash Oil, which is a an umbrella noun for *and* a verb describing the below extraction process and the array of results.

Dabs, shatter and wax (also called budder and crumble) is a newer and very highly concentrated cannabinoid extract that is created using liquid hydrocarbons (typically butane) to rapidly dissolve the cannabinoids in Cannabis. Then the hydrocarbon soup is allowed to evaporate leaving a concentrated residue that is usually of a waxy, sticky, gooey or brittle solid texture. The results are different than old school hash oil and much more highly concentrated. The name for this stuff is highly regional, and varies. In these parts of the PNW, it is commonly called 'dabs'. Like it or not, its a noun here. Dabbing is a verb commonly used to describe heating dabs, shatter or wax here for smoking.

Oregon also makes a legal distinction between hydrocarbon processed cannabinoids, and non-hydrocarbon processed cannabinoids. BHO items like shatter or dabs are legally defined as 'extracts' here and they cannot be made without an OLCC processor license. What I call hashish above made by mechanical means and hash oil made by using alcohol are considered as 'concentrates.' They split hairs here, but its the law.

 

[OregonBorn]

I was just in Portland. Did notice a huge junkie crowd vs 3yrs ago.
Same shit in SF. Everywhere is feeling a bit "darker".

I am totally floored by the opiate thing. I never expected it to get this bad.

I wonder how the heroin is getting out of afghanistan these days?
Probably in US deuce and a halfs...

We have been through the opiate craze before. Back in the late 70s and 80s horse and especially coke became more common than weed and psychedelics. But this round is more intense with Rx items like fentanyl. Fentanyl is a lot more potent than heroin. And while Afghanistan (mainly the Taliban) is the main opiate source, Mexico is rapidly increasing production now that MJ has become a non-money maker for them. The cartels just shifted gears to growing poppies. Mexico is no stranger to heroin either. My father used to give tours of Mexico City in summer when he was in college. He has photos of stacks of heroin kits at pharmacies there in the 1950s.

 

[OregonBorn]

Its RAINING here today! Big time. Yes, not good for growing Cannabis plants outdoors, but GREAT for putting out these raging wildfires in Oregon, Montana, Idaho, and Washington. I hope that this is not the beginning of the rainy season though, like it was last year.

 

[Robrites]

Wanted: Oregon Marijuana Investigator

https://mymarijuananews.com/wanted-oregon-marijuana-investigator/

Salary

$3,793.00 – $5,544.00 Monthly


Location

Milwaukie, OR



Job Type

Permanent


Department

Liquor Control Commission



Job Number

OLCC17-0067




Closing

9/29/2017 11:59 PM Pacific

 

[HorseMouth]

Keep posting jobs offerings like that! Anything in Central Oregon?

 

[Dankwolf]

Oregon grown.

Oregon grown.