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Totally forgot to post the pics with my pinched plants vs the topped ones. Once lights come on I'll go out and grab some!
marywanna2
Member
feed/irrigating/flush schedules
feed/irrigating/flush schedules
so how do you folks tell when it is time to irrigate your plants?
how often do you fertilize them?
and how often do you flush/rinse the containers out?
do you have a set routine?
or do you just let the plant tell you by waiting until you observe the first signs of wilt or hunger or nute lockout?
i have had to rethink all this with my 12 gal outdoor hempys this season...
for instance, their daily nutrient uptake can vary greatly, depending on light, temps, wind and humidity... somewhere between 1 and 3 gals each per day. i have six of these growing ...
i ended up measuring the amount of fluid actually in the 12 gal reso area including the perlite...
now i know that as long as they hold that amount of water or more when i feed them that the reso was dry before the feeding and so i am giving the roots a chance to breathe...
had to reverse lucas formula ratio during veg to nourish them adequately using GH nutes...
the containers with the most direct sun exposure need flushing most often...
i'm curious about others experiences...
feed/irrigating/flush schedules
so how do you folks tell when it is time to irrigate your plants?
how often do you fertilize them?
and how often do you flush/rinse the containers out?
do you have a set routine?
or do you just let the plant tell you by waiting until you observe the first signs of wilt or hunger or nute lockout?
i have had to rethink all this with my 12 gal outdoor hempys this season...
for instance, their daily nutrient uptake can vary greatly, depending on light, temps, wind and humidity... somewhere between 1 and 3 gals each per day. i have six of these growing ...
i ended up measuring the amount of fluid actually in the 12 gal reso area including the perlite...
now i know that as long as they hold that amount of water or more when i feed them that the reso was dry before the feeding and so i am giving the roots a chance to breathe...
had to reverse lucas formula ratio during veg to nourish them adequately using GH nutes...
the containers with the most direct sun exposure need flushing most often...
i'm curious about others experiences...
I feed them about once a week, but settled on that after reading the plants first. My plants have gone up to 14 days in early veg without watering.
I don't bother flushing the medium at all but I do feed till I get run-off like in soil which is a traditional kind of flush.
My first 2 hempy grows I used the Lucas formula because I was in the habit of using it after being in dwc for so many years. The second I switched the recipe on the back of my gh nutes with a pinch of epsome my yields improved. One strain I grew which was famous for being a picky eater was happy at 70% of the full strength.
I don't bother flushing the medium at all but I do feed till I get run-off like in soil which is a traditional kind of flush.
My first 2 hempy grows I used the Lucas formula because I was in the habit of using it after being in dwc for so many years. The second I switched the recipe on the back of my gh nutes with a pinch of epsome my yields improved. One strain I grew which was famous for being a picky eater was happy at 70% of the full strength.
epicseeds
Member
This is a flawed mentality...well what you are implying is. If you veg in 24/0 you will use the same amount of electricity as if you were to veg at 18/6 or 20/4.
You will get to desired height FASTER with 24/0. You gain 4 hours more of light per day in 24/0 - thus less days to get to desired height.
Even Jorge Cervantes says he now prefers 24/0 bc it will give you faster results.
I have recently been experimenting with going 24/0 for a week then for a day or 2 doing 18/6 then back to 24/0 - from my very limited testing it seems when you suddenly go to 18/6 the growth explodes.
Xare
Active member
I have automatic drip irrigation instead of handwatering for my hempy SOG.
They get lucas formula with every watering during flower. Lucas does not have proper ratio for vegging plants but its right for flowering ones. If you are growing seedlings / young plants in a hempy do not use Lucas Formula.
I flush my hempys for the last week while they maturing. You can flush at any time during growing if your have over fed or messed up the PH. But if you have it dialed in you wont need to. During summer my plants drink more water, so the solution is a bit weaker, and during winter they drink less so the solution needs to be stronger.
My timer comes on once a day just before lights on. It turns on my pump that is in my 20 gallon rez. Then food is pumped to each individual hempy via the drip system.
We top water our babies. They get fed every other day in veg and every day in bloom. The ratio varies upon how long they're in either cycle. I start small (1/4 tsp. ea-GH 3 part + Liquid Karma) and build up to whatever the strain likes. If I'm vegging a plant longer, my ratio ends up 4-2-1-1.5, and when it's time to flip, we go to a 2-2-2-2, then build the ratio 1-2-3-2, 1-2-4-2.5, etc... The plants get flushed the last week of bloom.
osecretgardeno
Member
I hate to say it buddy, but I think your mentality is flawed. In a few ways. And I'm usually not one to contradict people but I gotta call this out.
1) 24/0 means 24 hours lights on, 0 hours lights off. 18/6 means 18 hours lights on, 6 hours lights off. For example, if I had a home with only one light, let's say a 1kw light and I ran it for 24 hours, I can guarantee you that I will use more energy/electricity than if I ran that light for only 18 hours a day. I think that math is pretty straight forward.
2) 24/0 light does not necessarily imply more height growth. What 24/0 light does is convince the plant that it should stay in a vegetative state instead of going into flower (12/12). There are arguments on both sides claiming that 24/0 is best or 18/6 is best. I won't go into it, but you can look it up. It is great that you are doing your own experiments with the differences right now. Which brings me to my 3rd point ...
3) You are probably confusing the shit out of your girls by switching light cycles every week. In my opinion, you are seeing that explosion in growth because you plants are essentially starting to flower ... I'm pretty sure they won't go into full flower, but none the less, that is what is going on. Ever see that explosion stretch when plants hit flower? 2-3x stretch? You're seeing similar. By switching back and forth you are essentially taking the plant from veg, to flower and back to veg. If that is how you want to grow them, that's fine, but I'm going to suggest that you choose a cycle and stick to it and judge from there - run a set one 24/0 from clone and 18/6 from clone and then compare.
Experimentation is how every most things are invented, but let's not spread untrue things.
Cheers,
sg
I think more of what he was saying is this. (Hypothetically, and just using random numbers)
24/0 for 2 weeks = 336 hours
versus
18/6 for 3 weeks = 378 hours
The amount of energy spent in electricity would even out, as you would have to veg longer then if you were on a 24/0 schedule. The money spent on electricity would be comparable, and therefore the argument would be using a 24/0 schedule will not significantly raise your electric bill.
Personally I always run 24/0 now. Believe it or not, the plants do grow a bit quicker. IMHO of course.
osecretgardeno
Member
I understood what he is saying but that's not really a comparison. You can't change 2 variables (time and light schedules) and call it "using the same amount of electricity". Plus who is to even say that 2 weeks on 24/0 > 3 weeks on 18/6. I suppose that may be the foundation of his research.
I appreciate you explaining it but non the less, a flawed approach.
flushing question....
flushing question....
hi ya'll, its been a long time. been workin at dialin in my grow and have had much success thanx to the dedicated guys and gals on ic here. thank you. when flushing....is it necessary to keep the ph the same as when you feed? i say yes but have been told no and the theory he conveyed to me made sense. what do you guys say?
flushing question....
hi ya'll, its been a long time. been workin at dialin in my grow and have had much success thanx to the dedicated guys and gals on ic here. thank you. when flushing....is it necessary to keep the ph the same as when you feed? i say yes but have been told no and the theory he conveyed to me made sense. what do you guys say?
doesn't matter
Ty_Kaycha
Member
I used too ph my flush water and still do occasionally. I thought it would shock the plants. Now I don't anymore. But if it makes you feel more comfortable ph-ing - it's not going to hurt anything I don't think, unless you have to add a ton of Up or Down, in which case I wouldn't recommend it.
A weak nutrient is supposed to flush more than just water from what I've read.
lol, you're going to make me embarrass myself now because I've forgot the terms but it has to do with the electric charge of the elements and osmosis, they are attracted to the weak charge more than no charge at all.
