The Official Hempy Bucket Thread

[oneshot]

Going to be doing a Hempy bucket grow for my first time growing in like 5 years. Even the first grow was a terrible terrible rubbermaid rush job.

Does the Lucas formula change with LED's? I don't see why they would from HID.

Also just so I am clear, I can germinate the seeds in water/paper towel method and transfer that seedling right into this perlite and feed it light FloraNova during the first couple weeks?

I don't mind vegging in soil, I just have to start at seed and do not want to use rockwool. I read this whole thread and all the data is still parsing.

 

[grassott's dad]

I could veg for another two weeks and take them to the end of this month but I want to start another batch of seeds and Im trying to adhere to a time line for late Spring. I would like the second run to be finished before the beginning of June. I also have to keep 12/12 stretch in mind . I have limited height capability in this space. I suppose if I have a couple of males it will open up some of the horizontal space and I will be able to train the remaining plants in order to keep the canopy low. We will see. My schedule isnt set in stone.

Hi Capt and yeah I hear what you're saying about height restrictions. Tying and bending is key in my mate's garden...

@SomeDumbTroll. Stop disliking every post I and others make. It's very childish. It's a pity ICMag don't so something about you. Grow up!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Have to disagree with that post. As we all know, nutrient companies tend to exaggerate the amount of nutrients needed, so they can sell more nutes. [Even so, you will not find any nutrient company that recommends full strength nutes for seedlings.

We're talking full strength lucas here... not a 'nute' being sold by a company. Since when do you listen to nute companies anyway.

The original question was from a new grower trying a new system using seeds, not clones. Therefore, I think it's best to err on the side of caution. I have been using Lucas for ages, and I never given full strength nutes to newly germed seedlings. I start at a very low dosage and a bit of Rhizotonic, and increase as the plants grow.:

Yes, you also don't give your seedlings full strength lighting. I can tell because I've been using lucas for 10 years now. *shrug*

Nutrient Strength is dependent upon lighting strength.... not age of the plant. Again... as long as the plant (seedling or clone, doesn't matter) has 3-4 roots at least 4" long and is getting full lighting... they get full strength nutes and love it.

Does the Lucas formula change with LED's? I don't see why they would from HID.

The formula won't change... just feed the strength that your plants like... for the strength of lighting you have. Feed light until you know what your plants like under them.

Stay Safe!

 

[Duplicate]

We're talking full strength lucas here... not a 'nute' being sold by a company. Since when do you listen to nute companies anyway.

He doesn't, that was part of his point. What he was saying though, is that even people who have a monetary interest in selling you more tell you not to use that much. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but I see his (her?) point.

We're talking full strength lucas here... not a 'nute' being sold by a company.

Then what is FloraNova Bloom? Lucas or some 'nute'?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Then what is FloraNova Bloom? Lucas or some 'nute'?

I also used FloraNova Bloom as "lucas" for a while... No difference. Full light still gets full nutes.


The point is that new growers do what they're told. Peeps always say "1/4 str nutes" for seedlings and cuttings and work your way up".
With 1/4str or even 1/2 strength nutes under full strength lighting you get deficiencies... right away.

The point is that people state nute strength and plant ages like they're intertwined some how and they're not... it's light strength.

Stay Safe!

 

[RetroGrow]

I also used FloraNova Bloom as "lucas" for a while... No difference. Full light still gets full nutes.


The point is that new growers do what they're told. Peeps always say "1/4 str nutes" for seedlings and cuttings and work your way up".
With 1/4str or even 1/2 strength nutes under full strength lighting you get deficiencies... right away.

Have been using this method for ages, and NEVER had any deficiencies because of it. We are talking new seedlings here, and I stand by the statement to feed lightly, as do ALL nutrient manufacturers.
Don't know a single other person who uses full strength nutes on newly germed seedlings.

 

[RetroGrow]

He doesn't, that was part of his point. What he was saying though, is that even people who have a monetary interest in selling you more tell you not to use that much. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but I see his (her?) point.


Then what is FloraNova Bloom? Lucas or some 'nute'?

Flora Nova Bloom is General Hydroponics "Lucas formula".
You are correct about the "monetary interest" part.
Even nutrient vendors say not to feed full strength to new seedlings.
Yes, I am male last time I checked

 

[RetroGrow]

Yes, you also don't give your seedlings full strength lighting.

Wrong again!
But I guess you know more about what I am doing than I do. I'll give you an "A" for arrogance.

 

[grassott's dad]

I follow the directions on my nute bottles when it comes to feeding. All the nute bottles I've seen would give different strengths of nutes depending on the age of the plant. I also believe that Hempy advises this.

If when following the instructions on the bottle and the plant's leaves tell you that you're either under feeding or over feeding then I'd adjust accordingly.

 

[Duplicate]

Flora Nova Bloom is General Hydroponics "Lucas formula".

I know, I was just trying to help you illustrate your point (not that you didn't state it clearly, rather I was frustrated with HS' reply) without taking sides.

 

[RetroGrow]

I follow the directions on my nute bottles when it comes to feeding. All the nute bottles I've seen would give different strengths of nutes depending on the age of the plant. I also believe that Hempy advises this.

If when following the instructions on the bottle and the plant's leaves tell you that you're either under feeding or over feeding then I'd adjust accordingly.

Correct. Not a single nute company would tell you to go full strength on seedlings, even though they do want you to use as much of their product as possible.
I tend to use less then they recommend, and if needed, can always add more as you suggested.

 

[dubwise]

Wow! 1kw for seedlings? Man I'm not doubting what you're doing.... I would be scared to push that hard so early....perhaps I should try. Great thread as always!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Wow! 1kw for seedlings? Man I'm not doubting what you're doing.... I would be scared to push that hard so early....perhaps I should try. Great thread as always!

Seeds pop up under the sun. *shrug*

I'll stick with full strength nutes/lights within 14 days for seedlings... worked great for almost a decade... don't see any reason to change now.

Stay Safe!

 

[Megas]

Megas ... what nutes are you using & what kind of water ? do you know the PPM of your water ?

Everything I am doing now is just research this is all just hempy 101, I am months away from actually putting this into practice but I want to work through a lot of these concepts in my mind. I still haven't ruled out DWC I would like to see more comparisons but the simplicity of Hempy is amazing.

I thought of couple more questions for you guys
Do you guys use 2.5 gallon containers or 5 gallon? I'm reading conflicting write ups. Has anyone done a comparison between the two? I am curious about the difference in yield.

Also do you guys stay at 5.8 or 6.2? I have also read 6.2 seems to be preferable for Hempy but I am unsure of this.

 

[mugenbao]

I recently decided to try rooting a couple of cuts in little mini-Hempy pots, just out of curiosity. I've only ever grown in soil before, so I thought it might be interesting and perhaps instructive. They were being fed 1TBS/gal of PBP Bloom + 1tsp/gal of CalMag in tap.

Yesterday I up-potted one of those clones, and I was completely blown away by the mass of white healthy roots below the drain hole! I was absolutely amazed, to be honest. I've never seen such explosive root growth, and never seen such an impressive rootball on such a small plant before. I really wish I'd snapped some pics, I'll be sure to do so next time.

It's got me quite tempted to do a full Hempy run, much to my surprise. At the very least, I know how I'll be rooting cuts from now on


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[dubwise]

HS-you're right on the money. How dumb of me.
@megas-I go between 2.5g, 5g, and 15g containers depending on how long I plan on vegging for. I've never really done a side by side, but I can tell you that there does exist a point of diminishing return, where the space, medium, nutrients and energy used to grow it will exceed the yield, in my experience. But I have tons to learn so take it with a grain of salt.
@mugenbao-outstanding! Good for you man...go for it and you won't look back. This method is effective, easy, inexpensive and provides decent weight.

 

[Megas]

HS-you're right on the money. How dumb of me.
@megas-I go between 2.5g, 5g, and 15g containers depending on how long I plan on vegging for. I've never really done a side by side, but I can tell you that there does exist a point of diminishing return, where the space, medium, nutrients and energy used to grow it will exceed the yield, in my experience. But I have tons to learn so take it with a grain of salt.
@mugenbao-outstanding! Good for you man...go for it and you won't look back. This method is effective, easy, inexpensive and provides decent weight.

I think in Hempy's original he says to use 2.5 gallon containers but 15 gallons is one heck of a jump. What sort of yield do you see between the two?

 

[Yuno.Who]

high everyone!

I use 2L hempys made from old soda bottles, perlite and BC coco coir. when i first started out i was using soil in 1g pots, half way through that cycle i was turned onto coco. I began instantly trying to pop seeds in the coco hempy and see the difference in growth (both in veg, soil obv had 3-4 weeks head start.) same strain (4SD) and was amazed at how fast the bean in the coco broke ground.

breaking ground over night was just the first amazement. within a couple of weeks my 4sd in coco was the same size if not bigger than the now 6 week old 4sd in soil. I have to add i did not run into any bad deficiencies with either. the one in coco was very healthy, a little stretchy my mistake not raising it closer to the light....i didn't think it was going to flourish that quickly. i was feeding them both GH "organic" liquid line.

flowered them a week apart. the one in soil first. when i harvested the plants there was a HUGE difference in yield. my dried weight for the 4sd in soil wasn't too impressive...a measly 21gs.
the 4sd in the coco hempy on the other hand became so top heavy i needed to support the hempy to the floor to help it stay up right. dried yield for the coco hempy was just about 40gs.
needless to say that was all i needed to see to say "so long" to useless soil techniques(dont take offense anyone its just MHO) and stick with these coco hempy buckets if you will.
easiest way imo to grow, I have now even simplified it using a lucas with maxi-bloom. almost "set it and forget it" from here on out.

now if I could only figure out a way to get more success with rooting clones and I could get a beautiful perpetual going.

 

[Megas]

Will one block of coco fill a 5 gallon bucket?

 

[Seedlin]

Ok brand new at this. Built a 4' x 8' x 7' grow tent with 18 3gal hempy buckets. Lighting 1000w. Starting with bag seeds and a few from a buddy's outdoor strain of sativa, seeds germinated in paper towels then in peat pod. I put 12 under 6 23 watt CFLs this morning and can already see the bag seed seedling reaching for the light. At what stage do I top the seedling? My local hydro shop sold me a qt of Pure Blend Pro Gro because they had Floranova in gal only and my $ was a little lite so I went with the Pure Blend on his advice. Anyone use it? I'll start feeding the seedling the Pure Blend in a few days but at 1/4 strenght. Am I correct with this? This is an on going project. My goal is to do my first run with what I have on hand (bag seed) and then order some good seed. Plan on trying to clone from one of the females I get. Any advice would be greatly appriciated. The pics are from my phone, dropped my digital camera overboard fishing but thas another story...

Thanks in advance for all I've read and will learn from this site...

Uh how do you post pics here??