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umbralindigo

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I am rather compostless.. I'm getting the pastry herb mound of manure. That settled.. What up with coconut water? I am using a CC soil mix, oldy style (I guess), fix, mineral, food. My transplants had to go in soon after initial mix-up, and are showing a strange dotting on lower leaves.. so, like, hot mix or coco water in excess? Was using 1 cup/gallon of rain water. What does an excess look like, and why would it happen? Like, cytokinins... EXCESSive aging?
 
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w/ the point of diminishing returns/while coconut water costs less than some bottled amendments/nutes it would just be wasteful ~i would rather drink it than pour it on the ground?

so; are you saying you just mixed your soil and planted w/ no time to let it sit? i like a month or 2 from mix to use
 
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dang, so you not big on the coco water? I did a cloning with it and aloe, not sure it did as much as the willow water I've made and used on sunshine mix. Could have been my watering method. On the sitting, no way jose, those plants were growing fast in my initial (before ROLS stylee) veg soil mix, and they needed to go in.. so two months, or two days (literal) whats the dill?
 
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what i m say'n w/ regard to coconut water; use it @ the reco'd rate/i would much rather drink it than waste it

when you dont let an organic mix sit for a while it isnt ready to plant in to {many folks call this letting it 'cook'/no one means to literally cook it/just let it sit} when your mix isnt ready to plant in to; you get symptoms of lockout ~sometimes you will have several different indications like K deficiency + P def + mag def etcetera/vary confusing but not cuased by the absence of any nutes/minerals ~caused by the fact the soil is still composting and burns the roots

you have to let an organic mix sit for a while unless you do a seedling mix {when you are starting out}
 
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umbralindigo

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Originally, I had thought 1 cup was recommended, I have scaled back to 1/4-1/2 cup per gallon. Seems better. I am not time-crunching now, so sit, these bins will. Thanks mobot,dread,and Mr.S. Lotsa love. O heres my mix-

2.2 cu. ft. Premier pony bale
4-6 Gallons perlite
15 lbs EWC
4 lbs Buffaloam
Soft rock phosphate-1/4 cup/cu.ft.
Gypsum-1/4 cup/cu.ft.
SulPoMag-1/4 cup/cu. ft.
azomite-1/4 cup/cu.ft.
alfalfa meal-1 cup/cu.ft.
Indo Bat guano-1/4 cup/cu.ft.
flax seed meal-1/4 cup/cu.ft.
kelp meal 2.5 cups/whole mix
Diatomaceous Earth-1/2 cup/cu.ft.
 
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I think you could simplify probably and be okay. There are environmental issues with the mining and then processing done to make soft rock phosphate. I phased it out three seasons ago and haven't seen diminished results. I wish I was more familiar with products like buffaloam.
 
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umbralindigo

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MrSterling.. Buffaloam is great IMO, a finely sifted, kind of rich and smoky smelling buffalo manure compost. I buy 8 lb bags at Menards for 8 bucks, and use it as an extra humus source in my mix.. also throw it in compost teas. Not the best price, but better than the company even sells on their own website. I would like to simplify extremely.. I am liking the neem and rock dust ideas, although, I have absolutely no bugs or pests (lucky my climate im guessing). I have seen that the neem has vital nutrients, is it going to surpass using alfalfa in my mix as a nitro source, even though no triaconatol? Would I be better using the alfalfa as a foliar, or soil drench? ....The SRP i just happened to have from years ago, I'd like to drop it.. also the damned guano.. but then what is a better phosphorus base? the compost itself?
 
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umbralindigo said:
I would like to simplify extremely.. I am liking the neem and rock dust ideas, although, I have absolutely no bugs or pests (lucky my climate im guessing). I have seen that the neem has vital nutrients, is it going to surpass using alfalfa in my mix as a nitro source, even though no triaconatol? Would I be better using the alfalfa as a foliar, or soil drench? ....The SRP i just happened to have from years ago, I'd like to drop it.. also the damned guano.. but then what is a better phosphorus base? the compost itself?
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I'm a big fan of rock dusts, but especially of using whatever's local. If you're in the PNW or the West Coast you're going to have basalt available to you. If you're on the East Coast for many of us greensand is the best option. Just remember that other than immediately altering the soil texture it'll take a few seasons to start really helping.

Neem and Alfalfa are both very strong, so remember that. If you use either of them as your main Nitrogren source give it time to cook or you may burn plants. I believe alfalfa in extremes will cause weird growth, according to CC, but I haven't seen this. I use alfalfa sparingly in both foliars and drenches, but not as often as kelp.

As for the phosphorus, the compost should contribute some. I use bone meal in my soils, which for animal bone meal is somewhere around 4-12-0. Fish meal is another option if you're near water, I've seen varieties between 10-4-0 to 12-8-2 listed for fish meal. (Remember that when you see NPK the N is an accurate percentage, but the P and K are only a percentage of the numbers listed). Crab Meal is another good option to simplify, as it contributes both Ca, Mg, Chitin, Nitrogen and Phosphorus. Neptune's Harvest is a good company, theirs is listed as 2-3-0, and again that's something that will break down over time. The NPK's aren't great for representing organic goods. I feed crab meal into my composts and worm bins as well.

If you're looking for a foliar source of phosphorus look into some of the fpe's and teas listed throughout organics. I and others made fpe's out of local ingredients like camellia blossoms for sprays and drenches.
 
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I have weird growth... whorled leaves, one and two leaves, but they so freakin healthy anyhow, they are reaching for light and an inch or two growth a day. I did go heavy, and will wait to cook in future, im batching some bins out with pumice instead, as perlite sucks big time.
 
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Mr. Roseberry

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For those of you using Navitas powdered coconut water what rate do you mix it? I believe their site says 11g makes a glass. Is that what everyone uses to get 8oz of coconut water to mix with 1 gallon of water?
 
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BlueJayWay said:
Coba - if you like mushrooms and hearing things that aren't there....then falling into a dream state and waking up a different person, then you'd probably like this herb - OMG guys - my 12 week sample kicked my ASS, I'm talking two or three hits and shazaam where's my space helmet??

This is going to take some acclimating too LOL - the kind of smoke that'll leave amateurs curled in a ball in the corner asking for their binky - not exaggerating.... I had no idea...

.Thai Sativa - where've you been all my life?
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Puffing on some haze thai now. The combo is awesome. Effects range from pure caffeine high octane energy (green haze phenos) to floaty, ethnogenic introspective in the purple haze leaning thai crosses.

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Purple Haze/Thai specimen finishing seed production (DJ's F13).
 
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canna woop!

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Good morning Organic Gardeners i hope yall finding things well

Today I sprayed everything down with neem oil and a 36 hour yarrow/mints tea to control thrips so i hope it worked! the tea tasted good to me, but the plants sometimes lose a few trichomes from a mid bloom drench.

well here's a picture of a tall pheno blueberry from a few days ago

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have a nice day IC, Canna Woop!
 
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MrSterling

Woop, please keep us posted on the efficacy of your teas. I'd like to start compiling a list of recipes we've confirmation work. Thanks for the post@
 
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canna woop!

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Thanks MrSterling, here she is today

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not much of a reduction in frost i am thinking. I used an organic neem oil, about a teaspoon in a quart sized spray bottle. The tea at 36 hours was not too strong because i put the flowers in whole, not chopped up. I always spray veg plants first or taste it for strength this is a good measure for neem's strength i think. I included raw aloe gel in the initial spray, and threw the leftover in the tea for later use, when i will spray the soil surface again with neem to hit those soil dwelling thrips. I am not seeing any thrips in the foliage today so i am guessing the tea helped. They were sprayed at dark, and allowed to sit and drip freely for around 20 minutes before getting moved back into the cab. Their last watering was last saturday morning so rather dry
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one of the NLH phenos
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another
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according to the packet that arrived with the seed, there should be another 30-40 days before harvest on these ones. Guess they will really be packing it on eh
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