The Myth of Objective Reality

[BudToaster]

... You can't know ANYTHING about internal worlds of other people. Please. ...

yeah, well maybe, but i don't (yet) think this is true. that is, i'm trying to validate for myself some information and documented experiences from the 1850s and 1860s.

 

[southflorida]

Well, now that everything has calmed down, more or less, I think in the next few days I'm going to write a post covering self-survival, and why our interpretations, meanings, and emotional charges are all tools that our self-mind uses to help us survive physically, emotionally, and socially.

Most folks can't grasp this self-survival "thingy" because, just like fish swimming in water and not being aware of it, we are swimming in a field of self-survival and NOT NOTICING that this self-survival IS all that we are doing.

To notice this...simply observe everything that you perceive on a moment to moment basis for a few days and notice two things:

#1...everything has meaning in relation to your "self"...in what it means in relation to "you."

#2...every perception in your experience is followed by an emotional charge. Some charges deliver a strong effect, some a low effect, but, no matter what, at some level you are affected by every perception that you have.

why? to let you know how to relate to every circumstance!

this IS what self-survival is all about.

surviving as the "self" you believe yourself to be physically and socially.

 

[southflorida]

Another thing that is quite shocking about our experience is that we don't really know what anything IS.

Yes, we have names, definitions, and uses for everything, but these are human inventions and are completely conceptual. They are all add-ons on top of what is actually there.

They are NOT what IS, they only REFER to what something IS.

Notice that except for concepts (name, definition, use) you DON'T KNOW what anything really IS.

Noticing this in your experience will be a little disturbing, because it will make you deeply realize that you have been living in a conceptual world based on concepts (beliefs and assumptions) while fundamentally you have never known who or what you really ARE, or what life IS or what life is really all ABOUT.

 

[devilgoob]

I won't answer the poll at all. I don't know why, I just don't think I have all the power.

I can provide a logical explanation of the evolution of matter, and that into "smart" humans, or as we so say.



But then I smoked some purple trainwreck ...

What if that whole infinite multi-universe thing was true, but added to the fact that some or a lot of those contain other life forms whom also think there are other life forms contemplating life forms contemplating the multi-universe thing wherein I repeat this entire paragraphical process and or other infinite amounts of life forms think the same thing and since they are infinite, that this would mean an infinite amount of universes thinking that?

But in all seriousness, if we share that common notion between those, that means universes not interacting with our own may contain life that is also thinking that we share a common notion with them in the fact the universe not interacting with their own may contain life that is also thinking that we share a common notion with them in the fact the universe not interacting with their own may contain life that is also thinking that we share a common notion with them in the fact the universe not interacting with their own may contain life that is also thinking all these things about the others, and that this is the common objective of the joint-separate notions all together, in all of the infinite universes that do contain beings that thinking that this is the common objective of the joint-separate notions all together, in all of the infinite universes that do contain beings that are thinking that?

In a way, all those ones in other "universes" are part of ours. I know people exist on the other side of the planet, they may be not part of my immediate reality or the reality that if they do exist that I might also exist without them....interacting...with me, but I can definitely know they're there.

Or the same could be said of the succession of entire universes and their demise in and infinite backwards loop, but that would imply causation and effect. Yet, both are the same two opposite forces due to the illusion of time and that these forces that go against each other, meaning...nothing.

If you have two perfect bodies going directly toward each other at the same speed, velocity and assuming they're perfect and don't bounce, that they might stop after fundamentally opposing and creating a world that moves, but ultimately they are each unto themselves and are both cause and effect together, meaning they cancel and it's from nothing, and that the gradual procession of the universe could be the that - into cancelling forces, but in the same the effect happens wherein the two forces are both the cause and effect of their own separation into the two, the two universes and hence different universes separated out of this force of "nothing" which creates the illusion of "something" meaning the forces behind "end of the universe" are both fundamentally and respectively: the cause and effect of the future demise and creation of the "beginning of one universe" and so forth.

It's all an illusion, nothing is for sure, it is what it is now, but may not be that later. Humans are just long chemical reactions. Matter can break down. These forces could combine and they could've done it an infinite amount of times backwards in "time," but I would say really instances of time dilation to where space can exist, but when put together, all actions of the timeline of time are put together and over the top of each other, both being the cause and effect of each other fundamentally.

Being matter ourselves, I do not think it keeps us from realizing we are maybe "nothing." Sometimes we think ourselves to be a dog in a house, not knowing how big the world is, but I feel that if we imagine it, we do break free from this conceptual house, but of course in our own little way. We can't provide an explanation of the universe from the standpoint of an ant, but that is the point, we have some clue - ants don't think about that. Humans have this awareness, and if we thinking electrons passed between neurons helped by an electrolyte which easily shares the e-, that also, possibly some quantum mechanics activity is undergone in the body and is exploited and is also infused somewhere in us or if that is the real seat of consciousness of self-recognition somehow, underneath all that electron chatter. We can think about thinking, not all animals can meta-think. Weird neurons and their 10,000 connects! Almost makes me believe in DNA vibrations.

 

[southflorida]

What I want you to get right now is that everything in your present moment experience, your very thoughts and feelings, everything you know and how you know it, your actions and expressions, your entire awareness - it’s all self-survival.

Recognizing the nature of survival as it occurs in our own experience is difficult because self-survival is our whole experience.

But, we as conscious beings can go way beyond that recognition.

What we want is not only to become conscious of self-survival, but to create the possibility of becoming conscious beyond it, of getting free of SELF - to experience transcending it entirely. Many people find that they are unable to do so, and yet will tell you that a lifetime of trying is a worthwhile and deeply satisfying pursuit.

In this post I'm going to cover three distinctions in Consciousness, in a way, that is more easily grasped by the intellect, but try not to cling too much to any definitions.

Our language is ill-equipped to discuss these matters, so make an effort to recognize what these terms are pointing to rather than getting stuck in merely trying to intellectualize them.

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These three distinctions are:

For-me

For-itself

As-itself
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Perceiving everything "for-me" is the easiest to recognize. I'm sure that everyone can become aware of how everything you perceive in this moment is "for-me." To actually grasp this all you have to do is to notice everything that you perceive in your moment-to-moment experience is related to what it means to your "self."

"For-itself" and "as-itself" become much more challenging, as these only occur through a shift in consciousness. The first (for-itself) involves overriding the very purpose of perception and interpretation - self-survival - and the second (as-itself) pretty much transcends the human condition altogether.

Remember, don’t just try to figure out what’s being said here. This work must take place in your own experience, in your own consciousness, and all I or anyone can do is point the way. Let’s look at each of these distinctions a bit more closely.

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For-Me:
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Surviving a self is the activity of interpreting everything we encounter so that we know what it means "for-me." Although it is not so hard to grasp this dynamic, the enormity of its significance continues to slip away, in part because it doesn’t mean anything useful "for-me."

Whatever motivates us comes from an intent or impulse that arises from "me." Whatever we do, the action is taken for "me."

You might ask, "How could my impulses come from any other place but me, and who else would I take action for?" This is a reasonable question. Clearly, all our actions, reactions, beliefs, thoughts, feelings, and perceptions seem to come from and exist for one’s self.

That is their purpose: to serve whatever is identified as one’s self.

To grasp that this is so, we must strive for a deeper experiential understanding of this dynamic. The simplest way to accomplish this is to simply become aware how your being is at effect by every perception that you have.

These affects never stop because your self-mind is always asking "what does this circumstance mean for-me?"

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For-Itself:
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Since everything we perceive is interpreted within the context of self-survival, nothing is known for itself. It is only known as its relationship to us. To know something for-itself takes a concerted effort, consciously overriding our automatic perceptive processes.

Achieving this is just as hard as it sounds, especially if what we want to know for-itself is the self.

Remember, even a tree is only a "tree" to the perceiver. Unless I achieve some sort of shift in consciousness, the interpretation of what a "tree" is and means for-me will always completely eclipse whatever is there for-itself.

This is perfectly appropriate in relation to our survival perceptions, so why would we care to do otherwise?

Well, mostly we don’t.

It depends on whether we want to simply "survive" or to experience the truth.

I’ll go more deeply into "for-itself" in one of the next posts.

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As-Itself:
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"For-me" and "for-itself" both take place in the domain of perception.

By contrast, "as-itself" is a direct consciousness that defies rational understanding.

Let’s look at "is" versus the me-orientation of "surviving:"

When something "is" it merely is. It is as-itself in this moment. It occupies the place of itself.

When something survives, it is seen as "having survived" or having persisted as itself.

It is only as a memory of the past that this persistence arises, and it can only arise in concert with the future possibility of the non-persistence of that something.

Survival occurs as a process in time, the process of surviving.

This process can only be identified or known from having persisted for at least a moment - as a memory of a past moment of persistence. The concept of something identified as "you" persisting is what is known as the self surviving. When you say "I am" or "I am surviving," you are making a statement that you remember "existing" - the process of identifying with something that is assessed as still occurring.

This is all based on the past (even if it is only a moment ago); otherwise what could be identified as "you" or as persistence?

The idea of you existing in the future is based solely on the memory of you persisting in the past and extrapolating that out. This provides a "self" experience, not a consciousness of the true nature of this moment.

When something "is" it merely is. To become conscious of something as-itself is direct and immediate and takes place outside the realm of perception, which is a secondary process, an add-on on top of what "is."

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So what you have now is an idea about three kinds of experience. Of these three distinctions in consciousness, two take place in the perceptual realm, and so are conceivable, while the third is beyond perception, and so remains incomprehensible.

We’re not designed to easily understand the real nature of these distinctions. The names I’ve assigned to them may not seem so dissimilar, but the difference between knowing something for-me, knowing it for-itself, and being conscious of something as-itself could be called infinite.

Few people actually have any interest in getting beyond an experience of mere survival.

One of the reasons is that it isn't easy.

You have to let-go-of some cherished fantasies regarding self, spirituality, and enlightenment.

And, if your understanding is not just intellectual - and you’re getting this on an experiential level, - you will be challenged by the insight -that the real self you want to find doesn’t exist.

If you are indeed seeking out the truth, you will not let this insight stop you from taking the next step.

For someone setting out to experience the nature of being and reality, the powerful forces of self-survival are blindingly prohibitive.

But such characters are rare in any culture, and for most of us, seeking out the truth is no more than a passing interest, or an entertaining debate with some friends.

Attention and commitment to such things are usually temporary and minor. For some, they are nonexistent. The very nature of where we need to look precludes the participation of many people, since this kind of inquiry is not conducive to fantasy, and mere fleeting interest yields little understanding. Those who make the effort and find their way to a new depth of consciousness should be prepared to remain alone with even the most mind-altering breakthroughs, since without a lot of work no one is likely to comprehend what you’re trying to convey.

“When something is, it is as-itself.”

Imagine the looks you’d get if you shared that bit of insight at a family gathering.

 

[southflorida]

Perceiving Something For-Itself:

All this talk of perceiving things for themselves without some survival drive overwhelming our perceptions seems mighty abstract.

What is it good for?

When we leave this thread, who cares? What’s going to occupy our energies and attention then? The same things that always do. We’ll continue to live our life trying to get what we want and achieve our goals.

Seeing things for-themselves is just an exercise that will fade away soon enough. Even if we can make this distinction, how does it influence our lives? It seems merely an intellectual diversion...right?

Actually, our very inability to grasp such distinctions in real terms is self-survival at work.

It all seems so unintelligible and useless when it comes down to what we call "real" life. When we tire of philosophic entertainment we will get back to business as usual. Our goals and perceptions will remain aligned to the self principle. In general, we’ll continue wanting to be happy and struggling not to suffer.

We might even say that being happy is the most important attainment for us, and suffering our most unwanted condition. They may be.

But what is happiness? What is suffering?

In order for us to grasp the truth of anything, whatever is so must be tackled on its own terms. No matter what our concerns are in the matter, they can’t be allowed to interfere with an open discovery of what’s true - even if the truth turns out to be contradictory to our needs or beliefs. Still, this work seems so aggravatingly irrelevant to what’s important in our daily lives...doesn't it?

But what if we learn that grasping the distinction of what-is for-itself can tell us something very significant about both our happiness and our suffering? This should get our attention, shouldn’t it?

...by the way...getting what you want and avoiding what you don’t want is not happiness. It’s self-survival.

Nothing seems to mean more to us than our happiness, but we may once again be confusing one thing for another.Culturally, we share a belief that obtaining what we desire will make us happy. Yet when all is said and done, does it? Obtaining what we desire may indeed temporarily alleviate some fear, tension, or struggle related to our self-concerns. It may even bring the rush of pleasure that accompanies success.

None of these is happiness.

Contrary to our common assumption, the pleasant emotion associated with accomplishing a goal or avoiding a threat is not an experience of happiness, it is an experience of victory or relief.

Perhaps a bit of overexcitement or satisfaction arises when we successfully manage some aspect of self-survival, but this is not happiness—and is always only temporary. The next survival issue is sure to arise in due course. Since self-survival is about persistence, issues will persist.

Although it may seem like it, happiness never was the goal of our efforts.

Self-persistence is our goal.

This is an important distinction. Although everyone says in earnest that he or she wants to be happy, this statement really means: "I want to have what I want, and to not have what I don’t want." For most of us these seem like the same goal, so what’s the problem? The thing is that wanting and not wanting are really a statement of self-survival, not happiness.

There is a reason why this dynamic goes unnoticed for what it is.

As a metaphor we could say we are like a mouse running inside its wheel. What keeps us moving is the allure of some tasty cheese - the myth of obtainable "survival-happiness" just outside the wheel.

The "cheese-happiness" is only there to get us to run; it is not there for us to obtain.

Unfortunately for us, we don’t know that.

Since we don’t seem to be closing the gap, we run all the harder chasing this cheese - the promise of happiness. If we didn’t believe we were entitled to the cheese, or we knew we couldn’t ever get the cheese, we’d stop running. But our wheel and our running and what we perceive as our particular needs are a large part of what makes us "this particular one" or this "particular self."

In the overall scheme of surviving as a self, it’s imperative that we remain completely ignorant of what’s true and what’s only an illusion. If we were to grasp this dynamic for what it is, this "self" we’ve become confused with might cease to persist.

Although we tend to think that attaining all positives and avoiding all negatives would make us happy, this is not actually the purpose of wanting and not wanting. Notice our desire to be happy is not the desire to be happy with whatever happens to be the case, or to be happy whether we get what we want or not, or to be happy regardless of how life turns out.

Being happy is confused with being successful, or being comfortable, or having life turn out as desired, or being free from pain and suffering. Believe it or not, all of these last examples are self-survival orientations. They are not the impulse to be happy.

It’s hard for us to recognize the difference between happiness and the sensations associated with successful self-survival.

We’re hardwired so that the activities of self-survival take precedence on every level, especially an emotional one. Consider the word emotion. Its root word is the Middle English emove, which means "to move or incite to action."

The emotional promise of happiness is what keeps us moving on our wheel.

When we confuse obtaining survival goals - getting what we want, fulfilling needs, winning some battle, protecting ourselves from danger - with being happy, we also assume that realizing these goals is the only way to be happy.

This is a false assumption.

Using "happiness-cheese" as a survival goal puts it out of our reach - it becomes the unobtainable "cheese" that continues to motivate us forward in life. We are stuck moving from one obtainment to another, from one struggle to the next, sometimes feeling good about it and sometimes feeling bad, yet never actually and only being happy with whatever is taking place.

The promise of the cheese drives us to persist as the one that we are or want to be, but it doesn’t provide a sense of inner freedom or happiness where we stand in the present moment, here and now.

The present moment, the here and now, IS THE ONLY PLACE that we ever exist in our experience on a moment-to-moment basis, by the way, and when we are NOT here, but instead in the past or in the future, inside our mind, inside our imagination, we are absent from an experience of simply "being."

...so this is no small matter.



to be continued below!

 

[southflorida]

Self-survival is the cause of all suffering.

As much as we desire happiness, we abhor suffering.

Suffering seems to be the antithesis of being happy, and yet they are both based on the same dynamic. As much as we run toward the cheese of happiness, we run away from the pain of suffering. They both keep the wheel spinning in the same direction.

It is easy to see suffering as unwanted; it’s not so easy to see that it exists solely as a mechanism of self-survival.

Think About It DEEPLY and HONESTLY:

If there were no self, and so no drive to survive, then there would be no suffering. There would be no manipulation, no struggle, no dissatisfaction, no desire, no misrepresentation, no self esteem, no hurt feelings, no worry, etc.

There would also be no pain, but even if some activity existed fulfilling the role of pain, it would be of little consequence and not a form of suffering.

Self-survival is the origin of suffering.

Strange as this may sound, "being" and life can take place without a self or the need to survive. It isn’t likely for everyone, but it is possible for "some."

Since being without a self is inconceivable and very hard to realize, such freedom remains unknown to virtually everyone. Yet without a self designed for and committed to survival, there is no suffering.

To get a handle on this, recall any form of suffering, any distress, worry, upset, fear, misery, stress, longing, or anything else that you suffer, and consider long and hard: if you didn’t care about you persisting in any way, if it didn’t matter to you if you existed or not, got your way or not, or that things turned out in a way consistent with your desires and needs, if you let go of attachment to your self and the survival of your self, would you suffer any of these things?

The answer is no.

You cannot suffer when there is no self trying to survive. You cannot suffer when you have no drive to persist.

The desire to survive, to persist as the self that you believe and assume that you are, is the cause of suffering.

Of course, the self can be very convoluted and intricate, involving attachments to any number of things - emotions, perceptions, ideas, memories, character traits, objects, senses, and so on - even objects and concepts outside the jurisdiction of the individual self.

But the principle is the same, whatever self "is" or is "attached to" will engender the persistence and protection of that thing, and the self will also suffer the struggles, and so the fear and pain, that accompany this survival disposition. Freedom from self and self-attachments ends the suffering involved in persisting as a self.

No self, no suffering...period!

But, obviously we don't need to reach an absolute state of complete "no self" to reduce suffering. Any movement in the direction of understanding this dynamic will serve to mitigate our suffering.

Notice that "no self = no suffering" also translates to "no aspect of self = no suffering that aspect."

We can see that "being" doesn’t mean one has to persist as this particular self being this particular way.

If in the next moment the self is no longer that way, but some other way, then that self didn’t survive, but being still remains. Letting go of the self-impetus can apply to anything you identify with or are attached to, from the smallest and most insignificant belief or reaction to even, your life and death.

Consider: if you were to suddenly let go of one of your beliefs, if you had no motivation to maintain this belief (have it survive), then it wouldn’t matter at all to you if it were right or wrong, remained or vanished, would it?

You would no longer suffer any of the struggles that formerly accompanied your attachment to the belief—defending it, promoting it, or fearing its loss.

This is also true of every emotion, thought, self-image, possession, perception, idea, or anything else you consider you or yours. If “being” is inherently free of any attachments, then it really doesn’t matter if any aspect of a self persists or if the entire self fails to survive altogether.

We assume that if we aren’t in immediate pain, if we aren’t suffering, we should be happy, but in reality this just isn’t so. We may chalk it up to our inherent "human condition," assuming that somehow pain and suffering accompany us just because we exist.

In the case of self-survival, this is true. Ultimate happiness seems to elude us no matter how hard we try, and various forms of suffering seem to find us no matter where we hide. Perhaps it is time to seriously reconsider our assumptions in this matter. The assertion here is that both the rarity of happiness and the presence of suffering are based on self-survival.

Still, in reality, we have VERY little interest in challenging what is perhaps the most fundamental presumption upon which we live - our selves.

In order to embrace such a practice, we would need to be convinced on an experiential level that the source of our unhappiness is somehow tied to the force of maintaining ourselves. We would have to feel for ourselves that in the very impulse of our struggle to survive, we produce unhappiness.

In this way we would be far more inclined to welcome a practice of letting go of the self, and open to becoming conscious of whatever is true about being.

Strange as it may sound, experiencing things "for-themselves" actually opens a door to happiness and at the same time reduces or eliminates suffering. This is so because the relentless drive of self-survival is undermined, and this moment of life is accepted for what it is, rather than being eclipsed by references to our self-needs and fears.

Pain and relief cease to be the focus of our attention.

Consciousness and being are not limited to the way that you currently experience self.

But this isn’t something that should be taken only on faith; it is something that can be recognized and directly experienced for oneself.

You can even go beyond your perceptions to experience what is true as-itself.

But, the post about becoming directly conscious of reality as-itself, will be written later.

 

[southflorida]

One of my favorite songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTezmoyqjE

HD music with lyrics below for --Keep Their Heads Ringin' (Ring Ding Dong)-- by Dr. Dre.

Yeah, whattup, this is Dr. Dre
The party's goin on
Thank God it's Friday

"Buck buck buck buck booyaka shan!" - KRS One" [repeat 4X]

[Chorus:]

Keep their headz ringin (ding ding dong ring-gading ding ding dong)
[repeat 2X]

[Verse One:]

(Hey you, sittin over there) Say what?
(You better get up out of your chair) That's right
(And work your body down) Yeahhh...
(No time to funk around, cause we gon....)
Funk, you, right on up
So get up, get a move on, and get your groove on
It's the D-R-E the spectacular
In a party I go for your neck so call me Blackula
As I drain a niggaz jugular vein
and maintain to leave blood stains so don't complain
Just chill, listen to the beats I spill
Keepin it real, enables me to make another mill...
Still, niggaz run up and try to kill at will
But get popped like a pimple, so call me Clearasil
I wipe niggaz off the face of the Earth since birth
I been a bad nigga, now let me tell you what I'm worth
More than a Stealth bomber, I cause drama
The enforcer, music flows like a flying saucer
Or a 747 jet, never forget
I'm that nigga that keeps the hoes panties wet
The mic gets smoked, once you hear the beat kick
With grooves so funky, they come with a Speed Stick
So check the flavor that I'm bringin
The motherfuckin D-R-E, will keep their motherfuckin headz ringin

[Chorus]

[Verse Two:]

One-two for the crew, three-fo' for the dough
Five for the hoe, six-seven-eight for Death Row
Mad niggaz about to feel the full effect of intellect
So I can collect respect, plus a check
Now I fin' to, get into to, my mental
will take care of this business I need to attend to, cuz my rent's due
And this rap shit's my meal ticket
So you god damn right I'm gonna kick it, or get evicted
I bring terror like Stephen King
A black Casanova, runnin niggaz over like Christine
When I rock the spot with the flavor I got
I kick plenty of ass, so call me an astronaut
As I blast past another nigga's ass that thought he was strong
But I smoke him like grass, just like Cheech and Chong
When I flow, niggaz know, it's time to take a hike
Cause I grab the mic and flip my tongue like a dyke
I got rhymes to keep you enchanted
Produce a smokesscreen with the funky green to keep your eyes slanted
So check the flavor that I'm bringin
The motherfuckin D-R-E, will keep their motherfuckin headz ringin

[Chorus]

[Verse Three:]

Debonairre with flair, I scare wear and tear
without a care, runnin shit as if I was a mayor
But I ain't no politician, no competition
Sendin all opposition to see a mortician
I'm up front, never in the back drop
Step on stage and get faded just like a flat top
Your rhyme sounds like you bought em at Stop N Go
Dre came to wax you so, just call me Mop N Glow
Many tried to, but just can't rock with
I'm 6-1, 225, a pure chocolate
Your chances of jackin me are slim G
Cause I rock from summer til Santa comes down the chimney
Ho ho ho, and so, as I continue to flow
Cause yo, I'm just a fly negro
So, check the flavor that I'm bringin
The motherfuckin D-R-E, will keep their motherfuckin headz ringin

[Chorus]

 

[southflorida]

Also a killer song with Dre and Snoop:

...btw...Snoop kills it with his rap in this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuJDaOVz2qY

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Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it
Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it

Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it
Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it

Now it's that puff, puff, pass shit, Cheech and Chong grass shit
Blunts to the head, kush pillows, no mattress
Speed boat traffic, bitches automatic
Cross that line, fuck around, and get yo' ass kicked

We roll shit that burn slow as fucking molasses
Probably won't pass it, smoke it 'til the last hit
Down to the ashes, Mary J. a bad bitch
Andre 3001, another classic

Go ahead ask him bitches
'Bout how I be smokin' out, party all night, oh yeah, it's goin' down
Order rounds, we smoke a quarter pound of that good stuff
Oh yeah, we smokin' all night

Yeah, puff, puff, pass that shit right here, nigga, better than my last batch
Caramel complexion and her ass fat

Inhale, exhale
Inhale, exhale

I know you tryin' to get high
Type of shit'll have ya leaning sideways
Take a whiff of this Suicide
Holla at me 'cause I got it all day

No need to fly to Jamaica
For the ganja, we can get the same thing
You want the bomb, bomb, biggy
Holla at my niggi right here in L.A.

Inhale, exhale
Inhale, exhale

Hold up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it
Hold up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it
[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-kush-lyrics-dr-dre.html ]

Still I am
Tighter than the pants on Will.I.Am
Backthrow, back still, I have a pound in my backpack
Next to where the Swishers at, smokin' Presidential

Got some Bubba, I give ya that, need it for my cataracts
Four ho's and I'm the pimp my Cadillac
You can tell 'em Cali back, matter fact, they gon' know
This aint dro, get a whiff of that

No, it ain't no seeds in my sack, you ain't never gottta ask, dawg
What he smokin' on? Shit, kush 'til my mind gone
What you think I'm on? Eyes low, I'm blown
High as a motherfucker, there ain't no question 'bout it

Niggas say smoke me out, yeah, I really doubt it
I'm Bob Marley reincarnated, so faded
So If you want it, you know yo' nigga, homie
You can put it in a Zag or a Blunt and get blunted

Inhale, exhale
Inhale, exhale

I know you tryin' to get high
Type of shit'll have ya leaning sideways
Take a whiff of this Suicide
Holla at me 'cause I got it all day

No need to fly to Jamaica
For the ganja, we can get the same thing
You want the bomb, bomb, biggy
Holla at my niggi right here in L.A.

Inhale, exhale
Inhale, exhale

Ain't that kush, we blow on the best smoke
Inhale slow, no joke, make yo' ass choke
Hold up, wait a minute, you can go put it back
'Cause what you got in yo' sack, boy, it ain't that

Ain't that kush, we blow on the best smoke
Inhale slow, no joke, make yo' ass choke

Inhale, exhale
Inhale, exhale

 

[shokdee]

I only glanced at a few pages... but this looks like semantics and reductionist thinking that leads to fluffy tomes like Satre's Being and Nothingness, but French coffee-shops do that to one's mind apparently.

Also I wouldn't vote as there's a third type of reality, a subjective-objective reality. But that is another story...

Good work with your exploring, you're on the right track. And thanks for the music, and the lyrics - nice touch!

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Glad to see you stop bu the chanting growers group thread southflorida!

Very fine work on the nature of suffering and fighting for self survival being the main cause. I do believe that we can go wherever the stream flows. That we can go with the flow not worrying where we end up.

Our daily reality is in the present moment but much of our suffering is self inflicted when we worry about the future or feel bad about the past. Bog

 

[southflorida]

Hi shokdee...good to see u in this thread

I only glanced at a few pages... but this looks like semantics and reductionist thinking that leads to fluffy tomes like Satre's Being and Nothingness, but French coffee-shops do that to one's mind apparently.

Glancing at this topic/domain doesn't really produce any results on the level of being, only on an intellectual level.

Whatever brings one to becoming conscious of Being and Nothingness is good enough, even if it is French coffee-shops.

I, myself prefer, the Dutch coffee-shops for that

Also I wouldn't vote as there's a third type of reality, a subjective-objective reality. But that is another story...

Yeah, I corrected this part in here, making a distinction between primary reality (objective) and secondary reality (objective/subjective).

The secondary is a sub-set of the primary and fundamentally is occuring inside the primary. This means that what we are experiencing is occuring inside our imagination, and there is NO objective reality the way we believe there is.

Good work with your exploring, you're on the right track. And thanks for the music, and the lyrics - nice touch!

yeah...thanks

and the music is just to keep that balance, pointing at the fact that this secondary reality has its purpose, and that meditating, contemplating, and deeply being conscious of these distinctions is not what life IS about.

We can enjoy life and be happy regardless of what is occuring, we don't have to chase or search for enlightenment if we don't want to.

This is why we have free will, and a memory: so that we can use both.

 

[southflorida]

Glad to see you stop by the chanting growers group thread southflorida!

Yes Bog, Buddhism is definitely on the right track and helps many folks to realize who and what they really are.

Very fine work on the nature of suffering and fighting for self survival being the main cause. I do believe that we can go wherever the stream flows. That we can go with the flow not worrying where we end up.

yes, as you correctly and clearly pointed out, it is the fighting, the actual struggle to survive as a false-self that is the root cause of suffering. We can eliminate ALL SUFFERING by becoming directly conscious of the false assumption that we are the conceptual "self" that we believe ourselves to be, and by deeply realizing that we ARE Consciousness itself.

Our daily reality is in the present moment but much of our suffering is self inflicted when we worry about the future or feel bad about the past. Bog

No doubt. When we make the distinction between this moment, what IS, and the past and future conceptualizing going on in our imagination, we can focus our attention on this moment and actually experience life instead of being simply hypnotized by our self-mind.

Once we also notice that the self-mind (ego) is a self-survival mechanism and basically a tool, we can start using the tool, whenever this is ACTUALLY necessary - instead of trying to confuse ourselves with this tool, by becoming attached and identified with all the concepts this tool (self-mind) produces on a moment-to-moment basis.

Peace.

 

[southflorida]

Another few kick-ass rap songs from some truly talented rappers:

Dr. Dre Featuring LL Cool J - Zoom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk9UIFjuRbg

Dr. Dre with Snoop Dogg "Deep Cover"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SXr6aUFP8U

EPMD - Strictly Business

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHEI8fJdiM

 

[shokdee]

Yeah, I corrected this part in here, making a distinction between primary reality (objective) and secondary reality (objective/subjective).

The secondary is a sub-set of the primary and fundamentally is occuring inside the primary. This means that what we are experiencing is occuring inside our imagination, and there is NO objective reality the way we believe there is.

Now I'm going to be pedantic, hee hee. Seems like this is typical de-mock-racy, no need to vote folks, the game's rigged!

Nothing is "real", and there is no such thing as the "ego"!

No really.

Still reeling from the shock?

Just dump the Western lingo and Bingo!

Shokdee

EDIT: PS. The super-set "reality" supersedes any sets and sub-sets. Unless you follow Godel, in which case, it's no use talking about set theory.

 

[southflorida]

Supercharged Kush Cup Joint 2013 UrbanGrower

...amazing rolling skills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VMP6R5pqpE&list=TLKB2s0t-nnJk

 

[shokdee]

The vote is currently 71% that reality is SUBJECTIVE!

Yippy! Hippies?

If you "object" to that, vote now.

And if you already voted "subjective", then hit your hand with a hammer and try not to say "ouch!". BTW, good luck.

Reality is a harsh mistress my X taught me!

 

[shokdee]

And another word about choices.

Yes/No is so like Aristotelian, and frankly almost reptilian <shudders>.

So De Bono suggested we introduce "Po" as a sort of "mu".

Not everybody understand the "mu"....

... so, I prefer "Pp" or pee-pee.

It involves throwing the hands up, Hang 10-style, and shouting "go pee pee!"

So the choices become yes/no/pp.

Nature's calling, so I'm gonna vote to go "pp".

Shokdee

 

[headband 707]

You do know that this particular experiment is change by simply watching it right ?...LOL stay frosty headband 707

We are simply interpreting the perception of STIMULATED NERVE PATTERNS.

This is something that scietists have confirmed for a long time, for those folks that have a hard time with it.

Obviously the scientists have NOT pointed out what all this MEANS, because they know the majority of folks want to keep believing that what they are seeing what they are seeing is objective, that it is ACTUALLY there.

But, the fact is that it is NOT there objectively, it is inside one's mind, inside one's thinking, inside one's imagination.

So here's an example just for you:

What you are currently perceiving in this moment wherever you are IS NOT objective, it is an interpretation of the stimulated nerve patterns inside your mind. So, what you believe you are seeing, in reality you are IMAGINING inside your self-mind.

In other words: There is NO SPOON

 

[shokdee]

Exactly, so when I eat my frosty cornflakes, with white water, I should use a straw? Maybe a knife?

The cornflakes are there, or is that just more nerve impulses?

Should I try eat the spoon!

I did a Uri Geller course once and my spoons still bending!

Confused, and getting hungry.

Shokdee