The Myth of Objective Reality

[southflorida]

if you are happy working toward your goals, then your happiness is not reserved for attaining them.

If you are happy with whatever you experience, then you are happy.

Being happy is a matter of being happy, period.

As far as being happy goes, your true nature is already happy; simply let it “be.”

Realize that this is true, and then it is true.

It doesn’t matter what comes or goes.

 

[southflorida]

Well if survival is the driving force you suggest it is then why shouldn't we be happy upon accomplishing it?

we will never survive, in the end we're going to die.

If it's as all encompassing as you've suggested then what reason would we have to not be happy when accomplishing it? It seems to me happiness would be a very understandable thing for survival (getting what we want) to be confused with.

i choose not to be confused

Besides for someone to stand up and say "I'm so accomplished at survival" when they feel happiness would be kind of retarded.

no one stands up and says that way straight out, but there is always that concept working together with emotion and every human is aware if he feels successful or not successful at survival especially the survival in the social domain.

 

[southflorida]

My girls ass in yoga pants/leggings, thats my happiness right there! Lol

sorry but im one of them moods

peace

u can post that pic in this thread at any time

 

[shokdee]

// i choose not to be confused //

I'd choose my words more carefully

// we will never survive //

Am I dead already or am I surviving right now?

// he feels .... not successful at survival //

Generally dead people do not "feel" anything!

First you e-volve, then you solve. Only then do you re-volve!

$hokdee

 

[shokdee]

> This post does not work on the server farm <

HASH TAG #Unconditional Love IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN

$hokdee

< time to go public >

 

[trichrider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIJHJzDQcRM&feature=player_embedded

happy thoughts....

 

[southflorida]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIJHJzDQcRM&feature=player_embedded

happy thoughts....

excellent video trichrider...thanks for finding it and posting it

 

[HempKat]

we will never survive, in the end we're going to die.



i choose not to be confused



no one stands up and says that way straight out, but there is always that concept working together with emotion and every human is aware if he feels successful or not successful at survival especially the survival in the social domain.

That's a rather limiting view. Just because we die doesn't necessarily mean we don't survive. We don't really know for sure what happens after the current body we are in stops functioning. What we do know for sure is that energy is never lost, just transformed and therefore it's very possible the energy that represents us individually is transformed into something else after we "die" and that things we learned or cultivated in one transformation, may carry over into another.

See the problem with this whole theory of yours that you are preaching is that it's all based on your perceptions and beliefs. So it may work fine for you but likely only because you set it up that way to conform to and reinforce your beliefs. You can't really pass this knowledge on to anyone else for them to experience unless their beliefs match up with yours.

 

[HempKat]

if you are happy working toward your goals, then your happiness is not reserved for attaining them.

If you are happy with whatever you experience, then you are happy.

Being happy is a matter of being happy, period.

As far as being happy goes, your true nature is already happy; simply let it “be.”

Realize that this is true, and then it is true.

It doesn’t matter what comes or goes.

Wait a minute just a short while ago you were saying happiness is when we feel accomplished at survival now you're saying it just is which implies it has nothing to do with survival or the success thereof.

You may claim that you choose not to be confused but the way you phrase things suggests otherwise.

 

[shokdee]

Might I suggest that SEMANTICS is a bottomless pit ( Q Sartre: Being n Nothingness again!)

I suspect the problem is fundamentally linguistic, but that is only a suspicion.

For some Souls, English was never their first language and they feed words through a software translator?

Garbage in -> Garbage out



$hokdee

 

[southflorida]

That's a rather limiting view. Just because we die doesn't necessarily mean we don't survive. We don't really know for sure what happens after the current body we are in stops functioning. What we do know for sure is that energy is never lost, just transformed and therefore it's very possible the energy that represents us individually is transformed into something else after we "die" and that things we learned or cultivated in one transformation, may carry over into another.

See the problem with this whole theory of yours that you are preaching is that it's all based on your perceptions and beliefs. So it may work fine for you but likely only because you set it up that way to conform to and reinforce your beliefs. You can't really pass this knowledge on to anyone else for them to experience unless their beliefs match up with yours.

i agree that we don't know what happens after death, but our physical body that most folks consider to be a large part of who they are - dies.

fundamentally since everything is consciousness, then the dead body is consciousness also, or to be more correct, a distinction in consciousness, and because of this, death and survival are simply experiences occuring inside of this one consciousness.

i also agree that i can't pass this knowledge on directly, and all i can do is share concepts based on my experiences.

in order to see if what i say is true one would have to actually experience these things directly, in other words become directly conscious of the truth.

one can't believe or assume their way into the truth

one can only directly become conscious of the truth.

 

[shokdee]

// then the dead body is consciousness also //

I think you love Zombie Voodoo movies!

Too much.





// or to be more correct, a distinction in consciousness, and because of this, death and survival are simply experiences occuring inside of this one consciousness. //

which is really a half dead body and only half alive, because it is what it hopes to be, when the hope fades away into the mist that exudes from the dead body's third eye, which is closed for repairs until the spare parts arrive, on the fairy tale from outer space! Am I correct because I think I finally catch your drift .... .. .

 

[southflorida]

Wait a minute just a short while ago you were saying happiness is when we feel accomplished at survival now you're saying it just is which implies it has nothing to do with survival or the success thereof.

You may claim that you choose not to be confused but the way you phrase things suggests otherwise.

i said that we confuse happiness with a feeling of successful survival, which is really a feeling of victory of accomplishment, and is never true, permanent happiness

this is obvious because fundamentally we are never happy for long with what we accomplish, since the goal is not happiness, but instead successful self-survival.

true happiness has nothing to do with accomplishing or not accomplishing something, happiness is about being happy in the present moment regardless if things turn out the way you want or not.

 

[HempKat]

i agree that we don't know what happens after death, but our physical body that most folks consider to be a large part of who they are - dies.

fundamentally since everything is consciousness, then the dead body is consciousness also, or to be more correct, a distinction in consciousness, and because of this, death and survival are simply experiences occuring inside of this one consciousness.

i also agree that i can't pass this knowledge on directly, and all i can do is share concepts based on my experiences.

in order to see if what i say is true one would have to actually experience these things directly, in other words become directly conscious of the truth.

one can't believe or assume their way into the truth

one can only directly become conscious of the truth.

No it would take more then that, they could experience the same things but unless they experience them in exactly the same way and have the exact same beliefs about things then they would not be likely to experience the same truth. In other words we each experience our own truths. The may be similar but they're as uniquely individual as our fingerprints.

This is something I've tried to point out ongoingly with you but you just dismiss it and reassert your beliefs as if that's the way everyone thinks. Like when you say "i agree that we don't know what happens after death, but our physical body that most folks consider to be a large part of who they are - dies." You're making an assumption that most people consider their physical body to be a large part of who they are when in fact you don't really know what most people think. In fact you and everyone else at best only know what an infinitesimal percentage of the population thinks. If you knew what a million people think you would likely know more then anyone else because few people actually come to know one million people in a lifetime but since there are approximately 7 billion people in the world you would actually only know what .014% think.

 

[HempKat]

i said that we confuse happiness with a feeling of successful survival, which is really a feeling of victory of accomplishment, and is never true, permanent happiness

this is obvious because fundamentally we are never happy for long with what we accomplish, since the goal is not happiness, but instead successful self-survival.

true happiness has nothing to do with accomplishing or not accomplishing something, happiness is about being happy in the present moment regardless if things turn out the way you want or not.

In your opinion, but it's still just your opinion and not the statement of fact you try to make it sound like.