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The Mill's Pride Club
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StealthFarmer
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Have any of you ran a 600 watter in one of the C-24 cabs? I got a closetmaid cab with dimensions of 48" W x 20" D x 72" H and I wanted to try a 600 w in it but Im wondering if thats overkill for the dimensions of the cab...
I got 400W HPS's right now in both of my cabs w/ 6" Vortex's to keep em cool and wouldn't mind stepping it up if ya know what I mean, the temps right now are about 6-10 degrees above ambient. 600W = almost 100 watts per square foot. But I wonder if thats gonna be a problem with heat, etc.
Anyone tried it? I looked in this thread and dont see anyone with a 600 watter in their cab. Let me know your experience
I got 400W HPS's right now in both of my cabs w/ 6" Vortex's to keep em cool and wouldn't mind stepping it up if ya know what I mean, the temps right now are about 6-10 degrees above ambient. 600W = almost 100 watts per square foot. But I wonder if thats gonna be a problem with heat, etc.
Anyone tried it? I looked in this thread and dont see anyone with a 600 watter in their cab. Let me know your experience
icough2getoff
Active member
Yeah a few of us have grown c24s with 600w. I used a cooltube and had no problems.
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StealthFarmer
Member
Hey icough,
How was the yield difference with the 600w compared to the 400w? Also how was the temp difference?
How was the yield difference with the 600w compared to the 400w? Also how was the temp difference?
Hey guys Im new here 
Im looking to build a cab for the first time and i have no idea what i need or how to begin. The only think i know i want is to keep the smell from comming out and keeping my electric as close to where i am now to raise any red flag.
Can you please help me out
Im looking to build a cab for the first time and i have no idea what i need or how to begin. The only think i know i want is to keep the smell from comming out and keeping my electric as close to where i am now to raise any red flag.
Can you please help me out
JohnnySixString
New member
dmitexxi said:Hey guys Im new here
Im looking to build a cab for the first time and i have no idea what i need or how to begin. The only think i know i want is to keep the smell from comming out and keeping my electric as close to where i am now to raise any red flag.
Can you please help me out
Wow, I know the answer to this one; start reading!!! Then, read some more!
Seriously, start at the beginning of this thread and read it all. It's long, but very worth it.
JohnnySixString said:Wow, I know the answer to this one; start reading!!! Then, read some more!
Seriously, start at the beginning of this thread and read it all. It's long, but very worth it.
lol i stared to read but my head started to spin at page 6, there is so much debate of 250vs400vs600, cool tube or not, and nevermind the C13 cab from pride is no longer available or ozone vs scrubber...
I dont want to spend money and have all turn out like shit. I only have the budget to this once or it will never happen.
Its just so confusing.
sumo
Member
dmitexxi it is a paradox. To build a good box you have to be on top of your game and sharp. This thread was written by a bunch of stoners. Neccesity is the mother of invention. Go without weed long enough and you will be able to get on top of your game be sharp and build a great box. Or maybe us stoners are on top of our game ,sharp ,and smoking fine herb. No pain no gain. Read and learn and pass it on.
good luck
sumo
good luck
sumo
sumo said:
LOL i keep paying good money for my stuff but i have developed a love for it like fine wine and wanna grow and enjoy the fruits of my labor
Whats a good cabinet now a days now that the C series cabs from mills have been discotinued.
BTW thnaks for so nice guys, i was scared i was gonna get flamed
dmitexxi said:Hey guys Im new here
Im looking to build a cab for the first time and i have no idea what i need or how to begin. The only think i know i want is to keep the smell from comming out and keeping my electric as close to where i am now to raise any red flag.
Can you please help me out
We will help you out. Find out what kind of white melamine boxes HD sells along with their dimensions - then report back.
Pine
StealthFarmer
Member
Hey dmitexxi,
Follow pinecones advice and goto HomeDepot and look at the cabs that they have there. Where I live they dont have any more Mills Pride cabs but they have ClosetMaid cabinets which are basically the same thing.
I would go with the biggest ones they have which are the 48"W x 20"D x 72"H ones. They cost about $108 + tax. They are good cab's and should be a good fit for you if you decide to get at least a 400W light.
Khemix,
Your design looks good but your vertical height for the plants is only going to be around 2 feet max when you factor in the light distance to canopy. Have you considered that?
Also, if you plan on going with a 600 watter, I think your going to need more than an inline fan to keep temps in check. You will probably need at least a 6" Vortex to keep those temps proper. From what I understand inline fans are less effective than centrifugal fans (Vortex type fans) and I would highly recommend upgrading your fan or else you will have temp issues.
Follow pinecones advice and goto HomeDepot and look at the cabs that they have there. Where I live they dont have any more Mills Pride cabs but they have ClosetMaid cabinets which are basically the same thing.
I would go with the biggest ones they have which are the 48"W x 20"D x 72"H ones. They cost about $108 + tax. They are good cab's and should be a good fit for you if you decide to get at least a 400W light.
Khemix,
Your design looks good but your vertical height for the plants is only going to be around 2 feet max when you factor in the light distance to canopy. Have you considered that?
Also, if you plan on going with a 600 watter, I think your going to need more than an inline fan to keep temps in check. You will probably need at least a 6" Vortex to keep those temps proper. From what I understand inline fans are less effective than centrifugal fans (Vortex type fans) and I would highly recommend upgrading your fan or else you will have temp issues.
raygun
Active member
Dmitexxi, really any stand alone closet will do. Mine is a little fancier than the home depot version but I have it hiding in plain sight so it looks like it belongs. I guess first you want to find out how much herb you burn per month. Then you will get an idea of what SQFT and watts you need to produce #dankybuds/harvest to keep your need for weed satisfied.
My cab runs me about $60-$80/mo in electricity I'd say, but my conservative herb habbit before growing cost about $200+/mo.
If you were worried about the power increase like if the power co will notice, I would not.
Also you can find a sh!t load of info under the "search forums" its there and everyone will give you there opinion so you have to take them all and make your own that works for you.
happy growing
My cab runs me about $60-$80/mo in electricity I'd say, but my conservative herb habbit before growing cost about $200+/mo.
If you were worried about the power increase like if the power co will notice, I would not.
Also you can find a sh!t load of info under the "search forums" its there and everyone will give you there opinion so you have to take them all and make your own that works for you.
happy growing
Hey Pine, Stealth & Ray,
I just got back from my local Home Depot and i saw 3 Cabinets and here are their dimentions:
Cabinet1: (6 Way Adjustable door Hinges)
71h x 29W x 20.5D
Cabinet2:
71h x 24W x 15D
Cabinet3:
71h x 36W x 18W
my room is 82" tall will i have enough room uptop for my chiminey and exhaust?
as Im reading which one of these would work with a 400HPS as that seems to be the way to go but what is a cool tube and do i need it?
I also believe i will need the an inline fan but im not sure what size.
And how many vents will need and where should they placed so i get clean air pumped from the bottom to the top of the cab?
ray what kind of lighting are you using in the 60-80 dollar range?
I just got back from my local Home Depot and i saw 3 Cabinets and here are their dimentions:
Cabinet1: (6 Way Adjustable door Hinges)
71h x 29W x 20.5D
Cabinet2:
71h x 24W x 15D
Cabinet3:
71h x 36W x 18W
my room is 82" tall will i have enough room uptop for my chiminey and exhaust?
as Im reading which one of these would work with a 400HPS as that seems to be the way to go but what is a cool tube and do i need it?
I also believe i will need the an inline fan but im not sure what size.
And how many vents will need and where should they placed so i get clean air pumped from the bottom to the top of the cab?
ray what kind of lighting are you using in the 60-80 dollar range?
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raygun
Active member
dmitexxi said:
This would be my choice for a 400
Cabinet1: (6 Way Adjustable door Hinges)
71h x 29W x 20.5D
Its not to wide so the 400's light profile will work great its about the same dimentions as mine. see link in my sig.
you can exhaust out the back as well if the top is not an option. I've done both ways.
search "cooltube" and you will see what they are and they are very useful for a cab set up. it wll also probably answer your exhaust fan question.
there are multiple thoughts on vetiliation. I drilled 4 2" holes in the back of my cab and a 4" one that I used for a closed circut cooltube that i no longer have set up so now its another passive intake.
I have a 400watt digi ballest and the $60-$80 is a per month cost for the whole cab. durring the summer it went up as my energy use was higher ans so i umped to a higher tier of cost and it was more like $100-$120 but i fugured in the window AC I hooked up. If you click the link in my sig you will see my bio bucket grow that I used to do. I am now cookoo for coco.
Other than that really you should search for more cabinet grows and see what all the cats are doing and take what you like and works for you. I spent over a year reasearching how I was going to build my cab but i was not in a hurry as i did not have a place to put it at that time.
icough2getoff
Active member
StealthFarmer said:
Ya know I can't really compare the two because they were both completely different cabs. I can tell you that I haven't had any problems with temp above 82F in either cab unless it was really hot outside about 95F+ (I have no AC where I live). I haven't finished a grow in my new cab yet with the 400, but I can tell you from a past 400w closet grow, that 400's are very capable. I did notice outside temps seemed to play a big role in what my cab temps have been (I have no AC). Particularly if my lights were on in the daytime, like during veg.
Siddartha said:
About the hottest average temp in daytime would probably be about 90°F. Though I'd run my lights at night so they didn't really suffer. I live in a pretty mild area though, temp is usually around 70-80°F, even through most of summer
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icough2getoff
Active member
Hey thanks sumo. I used to have tot locks but in my last cab they didn't work out too well. They would hold it shut but with a firm enough jerk I could open my cab because it was so flimsy and would just bend (im sure it would probably work better with my current cab, as it's more stable). I also always locked my key in my cab, though that wasn't too big of a deal since I could just jerk it open.
Reason for the electromagnetic locks is because I wanted to be able to hold all 4 corners down (I still need two on the bottom). I had company over one night at my last place with my old cab and this chick was able to pry open a corner and see a light coming out of my cab. I want to prevent the possibility of that happening again (I know I'm probably just paranoid but I do feel a lot better about my situation).
I thought about the power failure issue, so I got myself a big APC battery backup that I keep inside my cab. I have a 12v DC power cord from an old cable modem going to my locks. That's plugged into a remote power switch, which is plugged into my battery backup. So even if someone unplugged my cab it will remain locked for hours. I know it all probably seems overkill but for me piece of mind is priceless.
Reason for the electromagnetic locks is because I wanted to be able to hold all 4 corners down (I still need two on the bottom). I had company over one night at my last place with my old cab and this chick was able to pry open a corner and see a light coming out of my cab. I want to prevent the possibility of that happening again (I know I'm probably just paranoid but I do feel a lot better about my situation).
I thought about the power failure issue, so I got myself a big APC battery backup that I keep inside my cab. I have a 12v DC power cord from an old cable modem going to my locks. That's plugged into a remote power switch, which is plugged into my battery backup. So even if someone unplugged my cab it will remain locked for hours. I know it all probably seems overkill but for me piece of mind is priceless.
raygun said:
Ray thanks for the input.. Just a quick question is a "cool tube" something to supplement a 400W digital Ballast or is it an either/or configuration?
Also with a cab of those dimentions what size fan do you recommend 4" or 6" and what size of a CFM am i looking for?
for odor control ive read to the following but where should this hooked up?
I also plan to draw a sketch of my cab design for approval for you guys to check it out?
raygun
Active member
The cool tube is to help cool the light bulb. I have used it with my magnetic ballest that I used to run and my digi ballest. Seriouly search for it just type in "cooltube" you will get all your answers for your specific senario. Also take a look at "CMH" bulbs whle you are at it too. They only work with mag ballests but the spectrum they put off is WAY better. I will be switching back to the mag ballest in a couple of months so that I can run a CMH bulb.
For your fan size honestly it depends on how you hook up you set up. Personally I kinda wish i would have oversized my fan and bought a speed controller to turn it down when needed. The inces of the fan is not as important as the CFM I have a 4" 256CFM Dayton and it works but is really the smallest that i would go. I have wanted to upgrade for a while now but its not broken so i have left it for now. I also use a mutitude of CPU fans that are rated 90+CFM I have one that I connected to my cool tube that, for all intent and purpose, works great expecially in a closed circut cool tube set up.
Oder control(carbon filters can be DIY) can be set up inside or out of the cab but is best set up in the cab with the fan pulling the air through it. I am back to that as i now have remodelled my cab to alow more heighth. Serioulsy read my thread most of your questions are answered in that.
Gool luck growing.
For your fan size honestly it depends on how you hook up you set up. Personally I kinda wish i would have oversized my fan and bought a speed controller to turn it down when needed. The inces of the fan is not as important as the CFM I have a 4" 256CFM Dayton and it works but is really the smallest that i would go. I have wanted to upgrade for a while now but its not broken so i have left it for now. I also use a mutitude of CPU fans that are rated 90+CFM I have one that I connected to my cool tube that, for all intent and purpose, works great expecially in a closed circut cool tube set up.
Oder control(carbon filters can be DIY) can be set up inside or out of the cab but is best set up in the cab with the fan pulling the air through it. I am back to that as i now have remodelled my cab to alow more heighth. Serioulsy read my thread most of your questions are answered in that.
Gool luck growing.
