the Mexican Landraces Thread

[Farmer John]

Whats Boel Oaxacan, real brotherhood stuff?

 

[goingrey]

I don't consider the purple Michoacan in this as I suspect its been hybridized at some point.

What makes you suspect that?

 

[therealpacific]

What makes you suspect that?

Just not used to seeing so much purple in a Mexican sativa. I could be wrong but it's just a hunch at this point.

 

[Humple W.]

I have finally begun my long-planned deep dive into the Mexican genetics I've been accumulating for the last few years. I decided to start with Original Delicatessen's Primera Dama, and popped 4 seeds for a mini pheno-hunt a few months ago. I recently harvested #1 after 10 weeks of flowering (at a 13/11 dark/light cycle, which I do for all my plants). Apologies for not having pictures, but I expect to start posting more as I work through the rest of these plants and get to know them better.

I impatiently smoked some flower before it was fully dried, and therefore long before it was cured, and I have to say that my hopes remain high. My goal with the Mexican strains I've acquired has always been to find an archetypical mellow Mexican "hippie weed" to add to my permanent stable. I know there has been speculation that Primera Dama was at least somewhat adulterated with BLD genetics at some point, but I wouldn't have known that from smoking this cut. It was exactly what I wanted it to be. Gradual come-up to a very, VERY chill, mellow high, including a body-buzz that is nothing like the classic "Indica" effect - rather a lightness in the body, as opposed to the heaviness we all know as couchlock. At first I wasn't sure if it was heady, but I realized upon reflection that it certainly was, it just wasn't spacey or daydreamy, but rather so incredibly clear and clean. Not super potent, but potency was low on my wishlist for this hunt. This is simple, happy weed. It just epitomizes what I think of as Kind. Here's hoping it retains these qualities after a full cure.

I look forward to trying the other 3 plants once we've got through flower, and will try to post my impressions here.

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

growing boel oaxacan now..we’ll see

mind me asking where to find these?

I've read Swami organic seed has got it in his stock but doesn't sell the "pure" form, he's got crosses made from it... he did get Cherry bomb from BOEL...

I have been pointed to Criptic labs in the past.

 

[Sensistar42]

I have finally begun my long-planned deep dive into the Mexican genetics I've been accumulating for the last few years. I decided to start with Original Delicatessen's Primera Dama, and popped 4 seeds for a mini pheno-hunt a few months ago. I recently harvested #1 after 10 weeks of flowering (at a 13/11 dark/light cycle, which I do for all my plants). Apologies for not having pictures, but I expect to start posting more as I work through the rest of these plants and get to know them better.

I impatiently smoked some flower before it was fully dried, and therefore long before it was cured, and I have to say that my hopes remain high. My goal with the Mexican strains I've acquired has always been to find an archetypical mellow Mexican "hippie weed" to add to my permanent stable. I know there has been speculation that Primera Dama was at least somewhat adulterated with BLD genetics at some point, but I wouldn't have known that from smoking this cut. It was exactly what I wanted it to be. Gradual come-up to a very, VERY chill, mellow high, including a body-buzz that is nothing like the classic "Indica" effect - rather a lightness in the body, as opposed to the heaviness we all know as couchlock. At first I wasn't sure if it was heady, but I realized upon reflection that it certainly was, it just wasn't spacey or daydreamy, but rather so incredibly clear and clean. Not super potent, but potency was low on my wishlist for this hunt. This is simple, happy weed. It just epitomizes what I think of as Kind. Here's hoping it retains these qualities after a full cure.

I look forward to trying the other 3 plants once we've got through flower, and will try to post my impressions here.

I find aces honduras does this form me, takes the anxiety and troubles from the day away.

 

[Sensistar42]

don’t think it was ever sold...everyone wanted indicas back then..[theystill do..hahaha

..came from the very last clone..maybe 20years ago.


yes..apparently..but it's about the plant...not the begats,,

I freely gave the first s1’s to Charlie

I am totally in love with this s2 selection from a totally different long long flower calyx pearls on long fronds;
it had Incredilbly l long thin leaves...smelled so Lemon Pledge..

I selfed that one..

thankfully the best cut I got off the small selfing is shower flower and not as tiny calyx on a stick style

thebcutvwas wonder duff but smelled too catpiss..and had some sedation..
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most of the s1’s had too much sedation for me but were chunkier..

but even original haze has too much sedation for me

this s2 cut encapsulates[ for me] everything was great about great 70’s mex weed

I still need the guerrero which apparently was psychedelic..and is no more

km

I feel you on sedation as far as South American sativas go. I haven’t had a pure happy energy weed yet from that region. I’m wondering if it’s more the terpene profiles of the vs the geological location of them.

Only things I’ve found so far to get me really up and going are things mixed with a bit of Thai in it but always tired after.

Also thank you for the clarification on the 79.

 

[Rgd]

mind me asking where to find these?

dunno was gifted them..wil lrepro if I can

I've read Swami organic seed has got it in his stock but doesn't sell the "pure" form, he's got crosses made from it... he did get Cherry bomb from BOEL...

growing cherry bomb now..finally got off my ass...heirloom sent me them decade ago at least

I have been pointed to Criptic labs in the past.

imho anything he has is good....I have stuff from him I should grow..but always seem to go for more obscure

mysterious non seed co seed

 

[Rgd]

mind me asking where to find these? [boel oaxacan]

I just looked at the seedlings and the leaf shape look different than any of the other 17 varieties I just started

rounded ends to them..pretty skinny..I get the feeling these are pretty darn sativa


on the “oaxaca79" name...

when I first saw the words oaxaca 79n I thought they were talking about

vermontman oaxaca79 he said would never give out



I had seen photos and it looked very mex sativa

Vermontman seems like a focused cool guy

I think he said it came from a deceased friend..he has been talking about that one for years

I have never grown any of his stuff..but imho there shouldn’t be two oaxaca 79’s<-- joke]

and what I sent to Charlie in Europe while in Vibes I called oaxaca s1

ok that's it for ever on this..

I have no need to boost my ego and am in it for the love and work on great genetics...

I have dedicated a fair bit of my long life to seeking old varieties..many times only ever getting one seed

and I don’t hybridize first unless I have to

a selfing we will go..

I also have selfed rare canadian clones

like a local old choice 90’s NL that was called” Earl” or "The Big ‘Nordern' Light"

also

one sativa hash plant seed[Hashbean] that came from a chunk of peacekeeper brought back afg hash

and lately ..the Crinkle clone

I do it because its what I do

and no one will do it for me

all the best

 

[Rgd]

I feel you on sedation as far as South American sativas go. I haven’t had a pure happy energy weed yet from that region

it has to be in some smg pheno’s..I would love to select one like I had in a town next to santa marta in1977

I am growing smc x smg now..we’ll see

I have smg seed..I just need the guts to tackle it again [without timer problems]

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

I just looked at the seedlings and the leaf shape look different than any of the other 17 varieties I just started

rounded ends to them..pretty skinny..I get the feeling these are pretty darn sativa


on the “oaxaca79" name...

when I first saw the words oaxaca 79n I thought they were talking about

vermontman oaxaca79 he said would never give out



I had seen photos and it looked very mex sativa

Vermontman seems like a focused cool guy

I think he said it came from a deceased friend..he has been talking about that one for years

I have never grown any of his stuff..but imho there shouldn’t be two oaxaca 79’s<-- joke]

and what I sent to Charlie in Europe while in Vibes I called oaxaca s1

ok that's it for ever on this..

I have no need to boost my ego and am in it for the love and work on great genetics...

I have dedicated a fair bit of my long life to seeking old varieties..many times only ever getting one seed

and I don’t hybridize first unless I have to

a selfing we will go..

I also have selfed rare canadian clones

like a local old choice 90’s NL that was called” Earl” or "The Big ‘Nordern' Light"

also

one sativa hash plant seed[Hashbean] that came from a chunk of peacekeeper brought back afg hash

and lately ..the Crinkle clone

I do it because its what I do

and no one will do it for me

all the best

Well said Rgd, and much respect for doing it for the love of the art.

Like you said Oaxaca 79, I understand it as the one that has been around for a moment? Held or shared among a very tight closed circle.

The Oaxaca s1 sounds like the one used to make crosses that are out there cbg, ace and maybe even swami himself (speculation)… not many people holding Oaxaca talk about it too much.

I’ve been knocking on doors to see if I can grow it myself and document it; as there is very little journals to see the traits in depth. Part of the mystery behind it I guess.

My curiosity about the pure Oaxaca is about its flower structure and if it holds the towering calyxes and how many pump pearl phenos… as it seems that despite some phenos display BroadLeaf traits their flowers can be very lanky, elongated and pearl like with a very strong, psychedelic high to it…

Thanks for sharing your experience and looking forward to hearing more about the Oaxacas out there.

 

[bloyd]

I have finally begun my long-planned deep dive into the Mexican genetics I've been accumulating for the last few years. I decided to start with Original Delicatessen's Primera Dama, and popped 4 seeds for a mini pheno-hunt a few months ago. I recently harvested #1 after 10 weeks of flowering (at a 13/11 dark/light cycle, which I do for all my plants). Apologies for not having pictures, but I expect to start posting more as I work through the rest of these plants and get to know them better.

I impatiently smoked some flower before it was fully dried, and therefore long before it was cured, and I have to say that my hopes remain high. My goal with the Mexican strains I've acquired has always been to find an archetypical mellow Mexican "hippie weed" to add to my permanent stable. I know there has been speculation that Primera Dama was at least somewhat adulterated with BLD genetics at some point, but I wouldn't have known that from smoking this cut. It was exactly what I wanted it to be. Gradual come-up to a very, VERY chill, mellow high, including a body-buzz that is nothing like the classic "Indica" effect - rather a lightness in the body, as opposed to the heaviness we all know as couchlock. At first I wasn't sure if it was heady, but I realized upon reflection that it certainly was, it just wasn't spacey or daydreamy, but rather so incredibly clear and clean. Not super potent, but potency was low on my wishlist for this hunt. This is simple, happy weed. It just epitomizes what I think of as Kind. Here's hoping it retains these qualities after a full cure.

I look forward to trying the other 3 plants once we've got through flower, and will try to post my impressions here.

first lady aka primera dama is one I regret not reproducing. A very feel good high and her vapors were soothing on the lungs. Anybody with stock to trade please reach out.

 

[Humple W.]

first lady aka primera dama is one I regret not reproducing. A very feel good high and her vapors were soothing on the lungs. Anybody with stock to trade please reach out.

I have hopes of selfing one or more of the plants, and would be happy to share seeds with the forum, but I don't know how long it will take me to get that going. It is a pity that they can't be found for sale anymore.

 

[Rgd]

Well said Rgd, and much respect for doing it for the love of the art.

not 'just 'for the love

Like you said Oaxaca 79, I understand it as the one that has been around for a moment? Held or shared among a very tight closed circle.

>no real idea..just read it on forms

The Oaxaca s1 sounds like the one used to make crosses that are out there cbg, ace and maybe even swami himself (speculation)… not many people holding Oaxaca talk about it too much.

dunno..I gave three people some s1’s..Charlie..one guy from north of Ottawa and the guy who started sub rosa...

I’ve been knocking on doors to see if I can grow it myself and document it; as there is very little journals to see the traits in depth. Part of the mystery behind it I guess.

My curiosity about the pure Oaxaca is about its flower structure and if it holds the towering calyxes and how many pump pearl phenos… as it seems that despite some phenos display BroadLeaf traits their flowers can be very lanky, elongated and pearl like with a very strong, psychedelic high to it…

this oaxaca is not psychedelic..there were slight wld traits in the s1’s..anyone can narrow things down in

I was given 4 tom hill mex stash seeds from cbf..

two males two females all looked similar 50/50 wld/nld

the f2’s had many skinier..many many different ..smells shapes

by selection. the f3’s could become skinny long long flower

if i could only have one seed lot in would have to go with that..

even found one that was almost like bc chemo..

the whole gamut in then thar genetics..

I have fem and non fems of thh

I did not start any though they/are were on deck

Thanks for sharing your experience and l

welcome..

looking forward to hearing more about the Oaxacas out there.

yeh me too..

I have so many varieties of everything going..

... then there the cambo/laos and cambo/laos/punta roja

i will be a 100 by the time they finish

 

[willydread]

I have grown first lady/primera dama in the past, it's a shame that it is only available in female form because it is a variety to collect; however it did not drive me crazy, it seemed rather WLD to me and did not have a particularly special effect, (over the years there has been discussion about what it could really be) I crossed it with Oax Boel and it improved a bit...
Boel and Copalita are definitely better (I have never tried cherry bomb or Oaxaca s1/79)

 

[Humple W.]

I have grown first lady/primera dama in the past, it's a shame that it is only available in female form because it is a variety to collect; however it did not drive me crazy, it seemed rather WLD to me and did not have a particularly special effect, (over the years there has been discussion about what it could really be) I crossed it with Oax Boel and it improved a bit...
Boel and Copalita are definitely better (I have never tried cherry bomb or Oaxaca s1/79)

I respect your opinion, brother, but I guess it depends on what kind of effect you're looking for. Personally, the one Primera Dama plant I've tried so far feels nothing like what I've come to expect from a WLD, with none of the heaviness or cloudiness I associate with Afghans or other so-called indicas. But I may find that other plants do feel more WLD-like, and if that's the case, I will report it here. Right now I'm just very geeked to have something so light, mild, and feel-good. But maybe I'm just getting bored with the more potent herb I've been growing for so long.

 

[willydread]

Don't worry we are all different, so we have a different opinion, experience, taste and preferences...
I have to look for photos of the plants I grew, they had rather large leaves, compact and resinous buds, but with a fairly long flowering (outdoors).
The effect was not like an afghan, it was a great middle ground, serene, calm, cheerful, relaxed....
These are the phenos I found...

 

[west-eu]

Like willydread the first lady was not great for me and look more like mex x paki. i was quite disappointed

cryptic’s Mexicans are so good..

I hear Demon Latcher can be demonic...I have several varieties from him ..have not grown yet

growing boel oaxacan now..we’ll see

Cryptic lab were the best mex i had !! i still have 5 Demon latcher left

 

[bloyd]

Tbf my experience with first lady was limited but I remember them being quite nld in appearance. I grew the regular version maybe 15 years ago. A frustrating reality is many of these breeders didn't keep parents the same and new seeds made each year under the same name can gave varying results. Seems quite common with the Spanish breeders.

 

[Humple W.]

Like willydread the first lady was not great for me and look more like mex x paki. i was quite disappointed



Cryptic lab were the best mex i had !! i still have 5 Demon latcher left
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Nice collection! I have the Highland Guerrero, but none of the others were in stock when I was purchasing. Have you run it yet? Interested to hear your thoughts on it.