Great thread!!! I live on border of mexico n texas ...the bud we get is alot bwtter than the big cities n texas we keep the better here n send rest out....i love to grow mexican bagseed n last couple of years ive seen ot of hybrids if u will....the sativas ive seen here r beautiful but can hnestly say i have yet to grow a sativa dominant as i seen here....keep up the great work n i ll b staying tuned...peace n chicken grease
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the Mexican Landraces Thread
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wallywombat
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Lovely wish I could have the pleasure of growing some Mexican or even some mexi brick seed. Stuff would be beautiful to preserve one day will be lost
Im leaning more towards "Comes back one day"
There is a growing # of peeps working on finding and bring back what
once was and if I (we) have anything to do with it,
will be in the mainstream once again and never in danger of being lost...
Dare to dream!!! I say....
Love this thread...Btw... Great work done by all....
Im leaning more towards "Comes back one day"
There is a growing # of peeps working on finding and bring back what
once was and if I (we) have anything to do with it,
will be in the mainstream once again and never in danger of being lost...
Dare to dream!!! I say....
Love this thread...Btw... Great work done by all....
Esta lo mejor, gracias
Actually the opposite is true.
Caribbean and South American strains were introduced via the slave trade by the Indians people from "India" that were servants to the english and dutch slave traders and importers
Hillbillie
Member
It is also documented that Cortez traded "medicinal cannabis seeds" with the Indigenous people around Colombia and Venezuela. The area is still a hot spot for excellent strains and possibly the parental stock of some of Mexico's lines.
Does anyone here know of or have any experience with Nicaraguan landraces/heirlooms
I ask because the Caribbean Coast of Nicaragua is extremely remote and isolated. It was also ruled by the British for centuries so they should have some unrelated lines. Perhaps a source of Sativa genetics that could be beneficial in creating hybrid vigor within the Mexican lines.
A side note: I noticed some discussion about landrace definition and thought I would add that IMO these are heirlooms bred from Landrace's.
I ask because the Caribbean Coast of Nicaragua is extremely remote and isolated. It was also ruled by the British for centuries so they should have some unrelated lines. Perhaps a source of Sativa genetics that could be beneficial in creating hybrid vigor within the Mexican lines.
A side note: I noticed some discussion about landrace definition and thought I would add that IMO these are heirlooms bred from Landrace's.
I know this is old but... I don't know a lot about Mexican landraces but I know Mexico well.
Cancun has gotten weird. American prices! Very controlled. Last time I was there they were selling "Maya Kush" in places you would not expect (sorry to be vague but I don't want to spoil their secret, you'll figure it out). It was way better than the brick...crystals and all.
It was never really a hot spot anyway.
If you get outside the tourist bubble (south of Tulum, inland past Chichen Itza or north to Merida) things relax but you still don't really see much cultivation. But, any bag of decent stuff might have some great seeds from other parts of Mexico.
The Yucatan is Maya country and limestone soils that suck! Although, if the Maya have something it would be fairly protected because the Yucatan is pretty disconnected from the rest of Mexico.
Unfortunately, I've never seen anything real special down their and I must admit I would not know Limon if it was in my bowl. My lack of experience is why I love these threads and the people who put so much effort into growing/preserving these strains. I've bought grocery store bags for 10 bucks that was the same/better as the $20 chicklet of crap.
The only time anyone claimed a name was the "Maya Kush" (I had to bite my tongue I wanted to laugh so hard...but what do I know, it might be real). And I've heard "Punta Rojo" was common from Cancun to Panama in the 80's when the cocaine trade was different.
I am pretty sure Cancun is Sinaloa cartel territory these days so whatever strains they have might be sourced from the bag seed in the region.
I've been traveling down there (usually farther south in C. A.) for years but have never met any farmers or even seen plants. Even my friends down their (locals) say they rarely see anything good. This is probably due to it being hard to recognize when grown and handled so poorly (and of course secrecy). I know quite a few growers down there but they say even the best bag seeds rarely produce quality and second generation seeds are terrible (open pollination?).
When we do find find high end its virtually always Cali/Dutch. The only exception would be the Afro Caribe communities that get product from various islands but thats a really hard scene to crack into especially when your after their fire.
I have grand plans for upcoming travels in Nicaragua.I will be visiting some of the most isolated communities in the western hemisphere doing npo work. It will also be my first attempt at sourcing genetics in the field.
The area is in the running for poorest place on earth so they deserve improved lines but they also need someone to help them keep their old stuff. Hopefully I can help with both. I have been collecting/making tons of seeds to take (everything from your OG x Skunk to Mango Zamal and Thai and crosses to my stock) and if they have anything special I will be bringing it back. I don't fear them loosing their stock to mine because these guys are masters of ag and don't trust outsiders (or their seeds). They still have one of the most intact indigenous ag systems on earth.
Anyway, sorry for my Nicaragua hijack but if anyone might care/know about these strains they are in here.
Do you have any un-hybridized Mexican Sativa's in your line that I missed? Or even any other pure Sativa's?
Old school and oh so pretty!
This plant should be the poster child for the dispelling the myth that cannabis has doubled in potency since the old days (or 10x...whatever the haters are saying these days).
Pantagruelion
Member
First crop I ever grew in my grandpas pasture was from Mexican brick seed. Some of it was ok and some of it was exceptional. One smelled like fruity pebbles. I wish I still had a brick weed connection, ha. The brick is going extinct in the PNW.
El Negro TéMido
New member
highs
im coming here, just to tell you that most mexican classic landraces are now gone, are now legends,... why??? because lots of foreigners as well as local "modern" growers have been importing hybrids and indicas, and so, the pureness of those ancestral sativas have got lost....
nowadays, mexican narcos and also indigenous peasant farmers who sell their crops to the narcos, are very pleased because according to them, they now are able to "harvest much more" and to "get more money as well"....
you come to everywhere you want, but you wont ever find a single "old school" toke, unless it comes from a real connossieur, a grower.
most of what´s on mexican black market nowadays is labeled as "skunk" or "hidroponica" (hidroponically produced) but it is not the traditional sativa lookin buds, but dense compact indica like buds.... not to mention the sleepy narcotic effects.
it´s very sad to realize that all those traditional, old school strains are now extincted just like mamoths and sabretooths are =(
but, if you believe you can buy those extincted genetics from sensi, or ace or any other bank... hell youre wrong... why??? because all those seed banks use to mix the originals to some other hybrid in order to "stabilize" the "strain"(cross)
you better buy some packs, and try to find a special phenotype, a classic sativa looking plant would do nice.
im fckn crying =( =(
sad and amazingly true.
keep on marijuanos
im coming here, just to tell you that most mexican classic landraces are now gone, are now legends,... why??? because lots of foreigners as well as local "modern" growers have been importing hybrids and indicas, and so, the pureness of those ancestral sativas have got lost....
nowadays, mexican narcos and also indigenous peasant farmers who sell their crops to the narcos, are very pleased because according to them, they now are able to "harvest much more" and to "get more money as well"....
you come to everywhere you want, but you wont ever find a single "old school" toke, unless it comes from a real connossieur, a grower.
most of what´s on mexican black market nowadays is labeled as "skunk" or "hidroponica" (hidroponically produced) but it is not the traditional sativa lookin buds, but dense compact indica like buds.... not to mention the sleepy narcotic effects.
it´s very sad to realize that all those traditional, old school strains are now extincted just like mamoths and sabretooths are =(
but, if you believe you can buy those extincted genetics from sensi, or ace or any other bank... hell youre wrong... why??? because all those seed banks use to mix the originals to some other hybrid in order to "stabilize" the "strain"(cross)
you better buy some packs, and try to find a special phenotype, a classic sativa looking plant would do nice.
im fckn crying =( =(
sad and amazingly true.
keep on marijuanos
Sad but very true indeed... same shit happened in Colombia, Jamaica and most marijuana producing countries.
I'm sure there will be still some passionate growers around with veteran grower relatives or even collectives keeping this mexican heirloom strains like it was done before with the Jamaican 1960, Oaxaca 79, Panama 74, Oldtimer's Haze, Thai 79, Zamal, Malawi, Colombian Black and many others. It's sad to see that if it wasn't for the growers and conoisseurs, most of this stuff would have been extint forever! But it's something that needs to be done... it's good to see people all aorund the world taking responsabilities on this issue and preserving stuff for the next generations. Mad respect!
It's also nice to see that there are still some breeders offering works with this strains so everyone can get a taste of the past on their tokes.
Vibes.
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El Negro TéMido
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...dfc590-2123-4cc6-b664-1e5948960576_story.html
i'm going over to the "wholesale prices starting to plummet" with this quote.
