The Marijuana Tax War Has Begun!

[FreedomFGHTR]

hello man, what are the differences between the regular taxes a regular produce business has to pay and those term as excise taxes?

Here ya go.

Excise Tax:
A tax on a specific good or service, often imposed on the quantity purchased rather than the value. Examples are gasoline taxes, cigarette taxes, and telecommunications taxes.

do you need permits if you decide to grow tomatoes all of a sudden in the U.S?

Paz.

you need a fishinhg lic. in most places just to fish?

Because it's law doesn't make it right. Why should we make more laws that aren't right? Plus if you fish on your own private land they can't do shit, thats the nice thing about huge ponds. Fishing Licenses are about spreading out a limited resource, you know what little fish we have left, and preserving it, and issues about public lands.

grow tomatoes for your self then no.. if you grow tomatoes to sell for profit then yes, pretty simple. do you really want every tom dick and harry with 0 experiance setting up shop commercially?

Except there isn't a "Tomato Tax". Tomatoes aren't taxed by the pound. The businesses have to pay their taxes based on percentages of income, payroll, ect. Why not let all those people with 0 experience set up shop? Were you born under a 1000W HPS in a rockwool manger or something?

Seriously I have never heard of a Tomato specific tax or permit. Most of the "permits" that are needed to open up a farm and grow don't require EXCISE taxes for their products, and I have never heard of a case of anyone being said they can't grow/sell normal produce.

No turning down applicants for old mj related felony convictions either, IMO it MUST have an amnesty clause.

So do you support denying applications for other non weed felonies?

 

[chef]

So do you support denying applications for other non weed felonies?

Sure, if their crime involved a victim. Screw the scumbags!

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

Chef thats sad and dissapointing. I believe that if you do your time you paid your debt to society. No need to continue punishing people decades after their mistake. That sort of thing only helps to create a new class of people who will have to resort to commiting crimes just to feed themselves.

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

So people wonder what I think is better than CCI or Richard Lee or AB390. Well here it is.

PROPOSED LAW

SECTION 1. Section 11357.1 is added to the Health and Safety Code, to read:
11357.1 (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Cannabis Freedom Act of 2012.
(b)(1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Cannabis Freedom Act of 2012 are as follows:
(A) To ensure that Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for their own purposes.
(B) To ensure that Californians who obtain and use marijuana are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanction.
(C)To authorize the state legislature to tax cannabis products at the same general retail sales tax rate per any other herbal product.
(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede legislation prohibiting persons from engaging in conduct that endangers others.
(c) Section 11054(d)(13) Classification of marijuana as a California controlled substance, Section 11357, relating to the possession of marijuana, Section 11358, relating to the cultivation of marijuana, Section 11359, relating to the sales of marijuana, Section 11360, relating to the transportation and distribution of marijuana, Section 11362, relating to classification of marijuana as a crime shall be repealed from the California Health and Safety Code and the legislature and local governments are hereby prohibited from imposing any penalties relating to cannabis.
SECTION 2. Section 420.9 is added to the Government Code, to read: Marijuana (Cannabis Indica) is the official state herb. April 20 of every year shall be known as California Cannabis day.
SECTION. 3. If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this measure are severable.

 

[JJScorpio]

As I've said before, the taxed weed sucks, but as long as a person is allowed to grow their own, and untaxed, I'd go along with it for the sake of the ones being arrested and incarcerated for posession. It's tough to keep someone in jail for something that's not illegal any longer. If nothing else, they'd be paroled at the first oppurtunity.

We pay these extra taxes now with cigs and alcohol. You can make your own booze if you choose but it's impossible for the avg person to grow their own cigs. With a little assistance, and a small room, it's very feasible for the avg person to grow thir own bud. And if that's what it takes to keep people from being thrown in jail, so be it.

One other benefit to this would be a lower price. If people are allowed to grow thier own, people are still going to sell it under the table. Thats not going to stop. And I think in a very short time the price will go way down. It's the same as anything else. If there's a surplus the retailers are going to have to drop the prices to get it off the shelves. Would you rather pay 200 an ounce and a 50 dollar tax or would you rather pay 60 bucks an eighth?

I guess it's a give and take thing. But anyway you look at it, if that's what it takes to get it legal than that's what's got to be done....

But I think 25 an ounce tax would be better, lol....

 

[chef]

Chef thats sad and dissapointing. I believe that if you do your time you paid your debt to society. No need to continue punishing people decades after their mistake. That sort of thing only helps to create a new class of people who will have to resort to commiting crimes just to feed themselves.

I think your view is sad & disappointing, they put themselves in that class.
Its called being responsible for your actions. If there is/was a victim? They're PREDATORS, Fuckem!
I've done my time, so don't lecture me on that.

Ever tried to get a liquor license? lol They'll turn ys down for a jaywalking ticket. Its crazy to think Cannabis will be any different, thus my call for an Amnesty clause for MJ convictions.
We'll have plenty of prison space opening up for the starving scumbags.
I'll even donate some hempseed ho cakes to help feed'em!

 

[Amstel Light]

you need a fishinhg lic. in most places just to fish? if you grow tomatoes for your self then no.. if you grow tomatoes to sell for profit then yes, pretty simple. do you really want every tom dick and harry with 0 experiance setting up shop commercially?

commercially is the keyword here freedom fighter^^^^ If they dont tax it wheres the incentive for legalization? would you not like to see the cali budget deficit brought to the black due to it's tax? That would be it for national legalization and taxation.

I would be happy to register for a permit to grow for personal use and gladly go to whatever training (in light safety, how to use a fire extingusher etc..) the state mandated to recive permit...

whats the argument again???????????

I'm with you on forgiving felons except those that have hurt women or children and murder. but the jails should be less crowded anyway after it's legal..

 

[Amstel Light]

yea how many of these asshole's will ruin it for the responsible grower without regulation?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=140193

what do you think his experiance level is freedom fighter?

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

 

[johnnyla]

right on bro! fuck those fuckers.

 

[johnnyla]

5x5 what a joke. that's one outdoor plant.

 

[chef]

I'm with you on forgiving felons except those that have hurt women or children and murder. but the jails should be less crowded anyway after it's legal..

So, lets give every WEED RIP, robbin thievin violent piece o shit in the state the all clear aye? Sure ya don't wanna throw in 20 acres & a fkin mule?

 

[Amstel Light]

So, lets give every WEED RIP, robbin thievin violent piece o shit in the state the all clear aye? Sure ya don't wanna throw in 20 acres & a fkin mule?

yea i'm not gonna get into what makes a felon.. but it could be for as little as having more than an ounce in some states.... so yea i think most americans deserve another shot if they fucked up when they were young and or stupid...now go bake a cake or some shit and chill the fuck out....cause you sure do seem self rightous for a guy posting on a site thats filled with potential FELONS.....

 

[Amstel Light]

freedom fighter after reading your flier I agree the act looks crappy...still does not change my mind about taxing and regulating it tho.

 

[chef]

Birds of a feather, flock together lol

 

[Amstel Light]

i hope you get nabbed doing one of these felonius acts and they strip you of almost all your rights smart guy.....

1)Under the North Dakota State Constitution, it's a felony to whistle and drive a car at the same time with no exceptions.

2)According to Utah law, it's a felony for a teenager to dance without a permit.

3)It's a felony to use a refrigerator without first reading the manual under the Georgia State Constitution.

and im sure theres more....


btw you and freedom fighter are more alike ....jumping to conclusions that dont exist...

 

[chef]

What a mook read the fkin thread

 

[Amstel Light]

i have an what i have gathered is you and freedom fighter cant commit crimes without getting caught, yet want to decide for others whats right and wrong....and i guess im the mook?