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The Marijuana Tax War Has Begun!
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Are you offering strainbrain? where and I'll be there 
I appreciate the ideas of legalization and no tax but where is the incentive for the Government of the day to change the existing situation?
According to Jack it became illegal thanks to the power of a wealthy paper/newspaper empire because of hemp's competition to paper.
And now the pharmaceutical industry's wealth and political donations will keep it illegal, due to cannabis' medicinal values being a major competition to that industry's ridiculous yearly multi-billion dollar profits.
Especially if, as Rick James suggests, that the Cure for Cancer lies within cannabis, then you come to understand why the pharmaceutical industry will never allow a cure to be found.
They are too addicted to the profits they make =(
I appreciate the ideas of legalization and no tax but where is the incentive for the Government of the day to change the existing situation?
According to Jack it became illegal thanks to the power of a wealthy paper/newspaper empire because of hemp's competition to paper.
And now the pharmaceutical industry's wealth and political donations will keep it illegal, due to cannabis' medicinal values being a major competition to that industry's ridiculous yearly multi-billion dollar profits.
Especially if, as Rick James suggests, that the Cure for Cancer lies within cannabis, then you come to understand why the pharmaceutical industry will never allow a cure to be found.
They are too addicted to the profits they make =(
HydroManiac
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That is why I hope it is never made legal
I wish you were right. The young people of today are not the youth of the 60's, who had role models to look to for direction, and the education to understand reality clearer than what we know.
The times have changed. The media tool shapes everyone, whether you know it or not, and young people today are as clueless as ever before in history, and that's what corporate world relies upon, the next generation.
With the passing of each year steps forward a new generation, a new group of young minds ready for moulding into consumers, and with the inevitable dumbing down taking place in US schools and media manipulation, it's doubtful we'll ever build sufficient numbers or resources to be able to overcome those in power.
And if they're young and involved in cannabis, chances are that they're already sucked into the seedy world of street corner selling, and stuck in a path of illegal drug activities and less likely to feel proactive about legaization, because that would remove their income?
I know I'm making generalisations but hoping to make a point.
I don't really know if stating these things will harm the legalization movement, I tend to believe we have a greater chance of success if we are AWARE of what we're really dealing with, instead of pipe-dreaming of legalization.
Unless you can develop a strategy to overcome the control various business interests have in keeping it illegal I can't see it happening. But I have been pleasantly surprised by other things in life, it would be wonderful if I found out I don't have a clue after all hehe
marijuana will never be legalized... the government will crash before then.
Cornflake, times have changed, indeed. Now we have the WWW, which didn't exist in the 60s. Just look at this site and all the other MJ sites on the net.
Back in the 60s all you knew was who to score from, and you got whatever they had on hand at the moment.
Now you can peruse thousands of strains, compare prices on seeds, learn how to grow it yourself from experts, even develop your own new strains/phenos.
So I have to disagree that "young people today are as clueless as ever before..."
Some are no doubt, but as some have said that's due to things like "home schooling" and "religious education" that so many kids get today. You know the ones who think the world is 6000 years old and that evolution is a lie. Those are the clueless people, many who are coming into positions of power now.
Oh, and don't forget the legions of brainless followers who deified the likes of O'Reilly and Glenn Beck... Don't know why we allow these corporate shills to dominate certain media outlets with what is so obviously corporate political propaganda...
Back in the 60s all you knew was who to score from, and you got whatever they had on hand at the moment.
Now you can peruse thousands of strains, compare prices on seeds, learn how to grow it yourself from experts, even develop your own new strains/phenos.
So I have to disagree that "young people today are as clueless as ever before..."
Some are no doubt, but as some have said that's due to things like "home schooling" and "religious education" that so many kids get today. You know the ones who think the world is 6000 years old and that evolution is a lie. Those are the clueless people, many who are coming into positions of power now.
Oh, and don't forget the legions of brainless followers who deified the likes of O'Reilly and Glenn Beck... Don't know why we allow these corporate shills to dominate certain media outlets with what is so obviously corporate political propaganda...
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alpinestar
even if it strengthens it in the long run,
this is only going to weaken the community at a key point in time
this is only going to weaken the community at a key point in time
I haven`t been screaming about this enough either.... lol....
You have to ask yourself really who do you want to control the MJ structure post legalization and who do we want to benefit from it.
Do you want to keep corporations from controlling commercial growing?
Yes you can still grow your own but really how many people do you know growing their own tobbaco?
Do you want to have MJ in packs at the gas stations sold to us by newport?
Is Richard Lee shooting to be the next JR Reynolds?
I don`t know but shouldn`t we discuss what might work to make sure we don`t get screwed like we are now with the healthcare companies?
With that said I believe that corporations and rich fucks have enough already and that the legalization and regulation of MJ should be a gift to ourselves. Something in this country that works for us to put money in the lower and middle class and not just a byproduct that sucks money from Americans. That means limits, rules, and regulations that do not work against us but for us.
I feel bad in saying that I`d stand with some growers and sellers in stating that I`d rather keep it illegal then to give it over to the corporations just to make sure that the "otherwise law abiding" individuals who depend on marijuana as an income are not put out of business.
You have to ask yourself really who do you want to control the MJ structure post legalization and who do we want to benefit from it.
Do you want to keep corporations from controlling commercial growing?
Yes you can still grow your own but really how many people do you know growing their own tobbaco?
Do you want to have MJ in packs at the gas stations sold to us by newport?
Is Richard Lee shooting to be the next JR Reynolds?
I don`t know but shouldn`t we discuss what might work to make sure we don`t get screwed like we are now with the healthcare companies?
With that said I believe that corporations and rich fucks have enough already and that the legalization and regulation of MJ should be a gift to ourselves. Something in this country that works for us to put money in the lower and middle class and not just a byproduct that sucks money from Americans. That means limits, rules, and regulations that do not work against us but for us.
I feel bad in saying that I`d stand with some growers and sellers in stating that I`d rather keep it illegal then to give it over to the corporations just to make sure that the "otherwise law abiding" individuals who depend on marijuana as an income are not put out of business.
The solution: OVERGROW THE WORLD. Anyone growing needs to give cuttings to friends who would also grow and then have them do the same. Are you selling it? How about just teaching your customers to become cultivators? It needs to be on a much larger scale then it is now. To have the number of medical dispensaries reduced because of a dramatic reduction in demand for cannabis from medical shops would be great in my opinion. Marijuana should be legal; it shouldn't need to be labeled as "medical" marijuana. In fact, I would think that massive pharma companies would put money towards keeping it illegal as much as possible. They can't get a patent on a natural plant and therefore stand to gain nothing and potentially lose profits. I don't say that to mean that marijuana can't be used medicinally. I feel, however, that the individual who smokes less frequently and purely for the enjoyment of the herb should not be persecuted either. I do not see this happening in this country anytime soon, however. There are far too many people, even people who love the herb as much as you and i, trying to reap large rewards from the marijuana industry. The get lost in the piles of money and decide that they're enjoying the current situation and don't want to lose their profits (meaning they want to keep it illegal to some extent) . I await the day when I can go to any local garden store and the cannabis is right alongside the other flowers.
This isn't just going to happen. People have to show that they care. I have a DIY approach when the laws don't completely agree with what I know is right. Looking back at history, a DIY approach should eventually prove to be effective.
This isn't just going to happen. People have to show that they care. I have a DIY approach when the laws don't completely agree with what I know is right. Looking back at history, a DIY approach should eventually prove to be effective.
Pistil_Party09
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tax free is a little over the top dont you think? i mean, everything else in america is taxed....
there should be no regulation what so ever its a plant, if you want some, grow it. dont tax it, dont give it to the goverment. im happy just the way things are!
Pistil_Party09
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there shouldnt be a $50 per zip tax...that's a little too much, but normal sales tax is fine...
the more and more i think about it the more i realize its never going to pass because there are 2 bills, thus splitting the cannabis community in half. and i agree with whoever said just work to get ONE of the bills passed then we can work on lowering the tax after, i mean i think having the tax, regulate and control act pass is better than having neither bills pass, dont you? if we EVER want to see it legal we need to STOP, and think it over, we will never get a bill passed like this unless everyone is happy and gets a piece of the pie, including cannabiz, and the gov't, and big pharma unfortunately...but regardless of that the most important thing is that we move forward even if its 2 big steps forward and one small step backwards...its still better than letting the govt profit the most by putting millions of non-violent drug offenders in jail every year...while the cannabis community argues over which bill is better....the gov't keeps putting people in jail, families get split. people are still DYING for no reason from big pharmas pills...more and more private prisons are being built for you and me. so ask yourself..is that really better than it being taxed and regulated??
the more and more i think about it the more i realize its never going to pass because there are 2 bills, thus splitting the cannabis community in half. and i agree with whoever said just work to get ONE of the bills passed then we can work on lowering the tax after, i mean i think having the tax, regulate and control act pass is better than having neither bills pass, dont you? if we EVER want to see it legal we need to STOP, and think it over, we will never get a bill passed like this unless everyone is happy and gets a piece of the pie, including cannabiz, and the gov't, and big pharma unfortunately...but regardless of that the most important thing is that we move forward even if its 2 big steps forward and one small step backwards...its still better than letting the govt profit the most by putting millions of non-violent drug offenders in jail every year...while the cannabis community argues over which bill is better....the gov't keeps putting people in jail, families get split. people are still DYING for no reason from big pharmas pills...more and more private prisons are being built for you and me. so ask yourself..is that really better than it being taxed and regulated??
Sativa_Grows
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oldschoolfarmer
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For the people who want the tax bill - Quick, let's make sure that roses, thyme, tomatoes, lilacs, wildflowers on your property, and any other plant that was put here NATURALLY.... is taxed and regulated. Sounds good right? You do realize there are states without an income tax right? And those states have legalized the sale of several thousand products without individual taxes. Just because California is used to taxing everything doesn't make it right.
It is up to US to make THEM change the law for OUR needs. The TAX STAMP was the first means of illegalization, who's to say after a new tax passes that the next go round of politicians wont increase the tax? It's what they do...
It is up to US to make THEM change the law for OUR needs. The TAX STAMP was the first means of illegalization, who's to say after a new tax passes that the next go round of politicians wont increase the tax? It's what they do...
it's already legal medicinally in california. i would rather keep it like that then pass some oaksterdam sponsored corporate regime.
it's already legal with a doctor's note. paying out more taxes will keep you safe for awhile until they decide to turn you over to the state or feds. you have the inalienable right to grow your own medicine. why would you give up an inalienable right ?
it's already legal with a doctor's note. paying out more taxes will keep you safe for awhile until they decide to turn you over to the state or feds. you have the inalienable right to grow your own medicine. why would you give up an inalienable right ?
I think cannabis should be completely legal AND untaxed because we have been oppressed, paranoid, marginalized and incarcerated for so long for no good reason.
We DESERVE IT, as someone said earlier, as a GIFT returned to us from the government that STOLE IT FROM US IN THE FIRST PLACE!
The same government that STOLE America from the Red Man, also stole our medicine, our spiritual sacrament from all of us. And not content to ban it from America, our gov't has gone and pressured every other government in the world to follow our lead, in order to protect corporate profits worldwide.
This is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, and it's time we treated it as such, and indict those who are keeping our sick citizens from NATURE'S CURE just so a few can profit.
And to think that we might allow CANNABIZES to now call the tune, be they the Gang of Four or Big Pharma is antithetical to the sacred message of the HERB itself.
YOU WANT UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO MARIJUANA without strings attached and corporations ripping you off? THEN LEGALIZE IT!!!
We DESERVE IT, as someone said earlier, as a GIFT returned to us from the government that STOLE IT FROM US IN THE FIRST PLACE!
The same government that STOLE America from the Red Man, also stole our medicine, our spiritual sacrament from all of us. And not content to ban it from America, our gov't has gone and pressured every other government in the world to follow our lead, in order to protect corporate profits worldwide.
This is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, and it's time we treated it as such, and indict those who are keeping our sick citizens from NATURE'S CURE just so a few can profit.
And to think that we might allow CANNABIZES to now call the tune, be they the Gang of Four or Big Pharma is antithetical to the sacred message of the HERB itself.
YOU WANT UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO MARIJUANA without strings attached and corporations ripping you off? THEN LEGALIZE IT!!!
Two days ago I was at Dennis house and he used the word traitor to describe those who are selling us out. I promptly showed him my thread here on IC. =)
Sadly the last thing we need is a war of any kind. On one side you have those who view this as a movement and the other those who see it as an industry. What the fuck ever happened to community? At the end of the day we are all smoking the same plant.
But alas some people would rather go against what is tried and true, and is working. They want 15 mins of fame and don't realize the reprecussions of their actions.
Sadly the last thing we need is a war of any kind. On one side you have those who view this as a movement and the other those who see it as an industry. What the fuck ever happened to community? At the end of the day we are all smoking the same plant.
But alas some people would rather go against what is tried and true, and is working. They want 15 mins of fame and don't realize the reprecussions of their actions.
WokkaWokka!
Member
OK for the record it is a fact that white men with blonde and red hair were here 8 or 10 thousand years ago. Oregon indians tell us this and in S. America murals depict the sacrificial murder of white men. This all thousands of years before the spanish arrived. Any idiot knows they were EXPECTED to arrive, if you want to get into karma. Just DONT take us off track with your existential white guilt bullshit. It is counterproductive.
BUT MY POINT would be that anybody who conspires to place more taxes on America, is an enemy of America and probably should lose their right to vote. "Tax me" is NOT the slogan of any group worth supporting!
