the KUSH thread

[SweetIndica2]

I don't think you comprehended my post, i'm talking about the fake og. Why do you have to lie? Is the kush craze that intense, that people feel the need to say they are growing something they are not? Personally, i feel confident enough that i don't have to lie about what i'm growing.

 

[Guest]

why would i lie. i paid drgreenthumb dearly for my seeds . if there fake tell him. if i had known it would cause a rif in this great thread i would never posted it. It smells like og ( very lemony pine sol and every one that smokes it loves it. If you dont think i really grew it thats your problem. you can check my gallery. if you still dont belive take it some where else this is not the place to call me a lier.

 

[Guest]

hey ash thanks for the hook up, great info. sweet indica nice gallery you got , not much to look at.

 

[SweetIndica2]

i'll post a link to my current grow thread, i don't put pictures in my gallery. I haven't tried drgreenthumb's seeds, but anyone who charges $240 for "og kush" seeds is insane. Not to be rude, but you seriously got ****ed on those genetics.

Here ya go, the last pics i took were on day 27 of flowering.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=63863&page=2&pp=15

 

[Guest]

yes i did and i have said so on a different thread. but my Question is why call me a lier, and start shit on this thread? your pics look good. My appoligies to OG bub. I hope this shit dont kill the thread.

 

[zamalito]

Hey Bub, I just went through this thread to make a post like you'd asked but after reading all ten pages a stream of blood started coming out of my ear. I'm really tempted to state my thoughts on the whole cali kush thing but it would ruin the good infor on this thread.

Its worth noting that theres really no set of traits that can be associated to the hindu kush. Theres low thc high cbd plants and vice versa, theres fiber plants, edible seed plants, giant indicas, dwarf indicas, pure narrow leafed cultivars that are used for resin production and some that are grown for fiber, wide leafed plants that flower for 16 weeks indoors and some that flower for 7. Hell the only phenos that dont come from the region is that of og and bubba kush.

Raco, is that himalayan sadhu picture from a pictoral book called Hashish (not to be confused with HASHISH! by clarke) which has pictoral of the lebanese hash making process? It looks reallyfamiliar and I think I used to have that book byt lent it outand never got it back.

 

[SweetIndica2]

Yea, sorry if i seemed harsh. I've seen Several untrustworthy breeders that will sell so called "kushes" to make money. I'd definately talk to the guy and ask him what the deal is, charging someone $240 for bogus seeds is pathetic. This is why i stick with lower priced breeders mainly, low or high end i make sure i am buying from a reputable source. You can tell the difference between a breeder who does it for the love of the plant, and one that breeds for pure money. I can point you in a few directions for seeds, shoot me a pm if you want.

 

[strained]

zam, that pic is from the book hashish by suomi la valle (Pseudonym much?)

its being sold on ebay too if your willing to pay 120 dollars for it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HASHISH-by-SUOM...ryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

- strained

 

[Alfred-cannaria]

One packet of Ogkush original on seedbuy... already 270$

 

[strained]

which breeder???

 

[Alfred-cannaria]

private breeder but you have make a bid , no " buy now!

 

[Afghanicus]

more sensi seeds hindu kush

more sensi seeds hindu kush

here's another pic of what sensi seeds hindu kush are looking like. I'm loving them so far.

 

[Raco]

PTK cut ready to be harvested

 

[A.N.Other]

lovely girl raco

Id like to also make the observation known, that from my experience, broad/narrow leaf profiles dont necessarily dictate "indica or sativa" in such lines as Kush/Ghani's. a better indicator for me has been flower structure (dencity).. I have never grown a Kush/Ghani of legit liniage, that displayed airy or whispy flowers, commonly seen on sativas, regaurdless of leaf profile..

any ghani/kush Ive grown that displayed a sativa like structure/profile, has always bloomed dence "indica" flowers.. this has been about the only trait I could consider 'uniform' of these lines overall. Krush included..

i would totally agree with you on the leaf profile not being fully indicative, this isn't the thread for it but i am leaning towards the view that our current species/subspecies arrangement for cannabis (drug and fibre) is in dire need of a review. unfortunately this means starting with a decent and thorough cataloguing of what grows where, starting from natures building blocks, native wild types and moving through to traditionally cultivated land and garden races. this hand in hand with a study of historical usage will start to move us ever closer to a picture of the evolution and adaption of cannabis.

Its worth noting that theres really no set of traits that can be associated to the hindu kush. Theres low thc high cbd plants and vice versa, theres fiber plants, edible seed plants, giant indicas, dwarf indicas, pure narrow leafed cultivars that are used for resin production and some that are grown for fiber, wide leafed plants that flower for 16 weeks indoors and some that flower for 7.

i wonder how much of this is due to the original genetic diversity of cannabis in the area, how much is due to the area being a potential melting pot for cannabis genetics from all over the silk road and how much is due to the huge number of microclimates represented in an area essentially no bigger than say Texas? a little bit of each? a kush soul stew?

'ancient silkroad corridor-derived hashish cultivars'...

hehe, this has definately been added to my growing glossary!

this broadleaf thick calyxes thing that doesn't resemble any of the african or south american or southeast asian landrace, safe assumption it's not just in the hindu kush mountains per se?

it would be interesting to hear any reports of "traditional indica" plants (let's say 'broadleaved with large resinous bracts densely packed into heavy flower clusters') outside of the central asia/indian subcontinent area.

it would also be interesting to test how much of this can be attributed to acclimatisation over a few generations in both field grown crops allowing for cross pollination by local native crops and field grown crops not pollinated except amongst the introduced population [difficult to achieve in the area being discussed].

i remember another british grower commenting about this nations past hemp growing experience. britain (a traditional sailing nation) grew hemp for fibre in norfolk before deciding to move production to a british protectorate in the middle east where labour was cheaper. the first crop sown grew like it would in norfolk, tall 12 to 15' single whip stem with long bast fibres perfect for fibre. within 4 or 5 years it is reported these plants had adapted to shorter branchier 5 - 6 foot plants and were already producing significantly more resin causing machinery to be clogged. this was without any other cannabis being grown in the area.

i thought the below maps might bring some context to the discussions:

hindu kush area map:


silk road map (divided into 4 sections, apologies for the size difference of image 1 and 4):


and for fun constable's 1893 hand atlas to india :

key:


section I - kafiristan:


section II - chinese turkistan, kashmir & jammu:


section III - afghan frontier:


section IV - eastern punjab & kashmir:


i hope everyone is safe, happy and high.

 

[muddy waters]

awesome map scans, A.N.Other, thanks... I can't find the OG mountains anywhere though

 

[SweetIndica2]

private breeder but you have make a bid , no " buy now!

Yea, $270 is rediculous enough. Most likely it will go up to to around $1000 like usual, insane...and IMO not worth it. I don't care how good they are.

 

[Raco]

I can type a few paragraphs from Clarke´s Hashish! if you want,folks
Guapa acelga muddy!!
so...you wannna marry my DC or what?
I found that pic here:


An old spanish magazine now dissappeared
This issue was a remake of the first "special issue" released in 1976,twenty years after

 

[OG bub]

Hey Bub, I just went through this thread to make a post like you'd asked but after reading all ten pages a stream of blood started coming out of my ear.

lol you have that problem too!

I'm really tempted to state my thoughts on the whole cali kush thing but it would ruin the good infor on this thread..

good call. lets just leave it at "those of us who know, know"

Its worth noting that theres really no set of traits that can be associated to the hindu kush. Theres low thc high cbd plants and vice versa, theres fiber plants, edible seed plants, giant indicas, dwarf indicas, pure narrow leafed cultivars that are used for resin production and some that are grown for fiber, wide leafed plants that flower for 16 weeks indoors and some that flower for 7. Hell the only phenos that dont come from the region is that of og and bubba kush..

agreed!
the only real uniformity Ive seen is density of flowers.. but I should rather say "similarity" other than "uniformity, as I certainly dont have exp enuff to judge the entirity of Kush landraces..
Ive grown Kush lines that arent verry potent, some are verry potent. when folks try to 'roundup' Kush as a potent line, they usually forget about the diversity in these lines....
further, when folks think about a 'landrace' they instantly picture a uniform line over that particular region. in any case Im familiar with, thats FAR from true.

thanks zam fer takin yer time! sorry for asking you to reply to such a thread as this... its had it up and downs... as I expect it will again.. some folks just dont get it. and some do.
Im glad tho, that its a thread that some good info can be derived from.


Peace, bub.

 

[Raco]

Dr. Jay told me years ago:
"Today´s kushes just don´t have the punch"

 

[A.N.Other]

awesome map scans, A.N.Other, thanks... I can't find the OG mountains anywhere though