*The K.I.S.S. Method*

[bmp420gti]

I decided to switch from floralicious grow to the maxi for my DHN cookie cuts that have been going since the beginning of june too, im using soil so I hit them with the full 7g and silica blast, I will update with results as well.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

me too.. well i mean . i just put them into veg a few weeks ago. started on 6/9 switched to m/b although i think 6/9 was fine but i was having issues that i thought were nute related so i switched but since figured out what was wrong.it wasnt the 6/9 they are looking great in veg now that i got it sorted out. i will say that overall my strains i think full strength on either recipe is too hot for my coco plants. im 3x feeds a day and im rocking gsc gg4and a few og kush cuts. also have a bosss sister pheno hunt going they seem more hungry than the others(no surprise). i water down now for full 1 foot tall veg in 2gals to 1.2 ec and i wouldnt go higher just yet. in flower i went as high as 1.5 and i think it was pushing it.i dropped back to 1.3 when i saw some tip burn. and eventually back to 1.2 as i didnt want to push it to the yellowing look that can happen over time. the 1.5 flowering plants are soil but in small pot multifeed situation similar to coco.

I decided to switch from floralicious grow to the maxi for my DHN cookie cuts that have been going since the beginning of june too, im using soil so I hit them with the full 7g and silica blast, I will update with results as well.

I am looking forward to updates and some pics

 

[papaduc]

everyone else says to only feed the MB at an ec of between 1.0-1.2 which works out to less than 4g/gal MB. So I got classic N deficiency the first week in bloom on the lower 1/3 of my fan leaves and was wondering what's the cause. Just starting week 3 now. I suspected if you don't keep the formulas ratio then it ain't the damn formula anymore and you are bound to be short something

Split the grow and bloom 50/50

 

[dissolute]

What I can't understand is the strict adherence to a system, regardless of results, rather than a principle which nurtures a basic understanding.

I can't understand the value of pages and pages of theory without side by side pics. SHOW US. Do you actually grow? Then label 2 plants and do a side-by-side for the entire community to learn from. I love learning new things but it is impossible to actually know something without testing.

 

[stoned40yrs]

What I can't understand is the strict adherence to a system, regardless of results, rather than a principle which nurtures a basic understanding.

Keeping it simple, for me, would be feeding maxigrow in that situation. Because maxigrow has the N you need. It tells you on the packet. It's clearly a better formula for every day of growth except mid-late flower.

But, to keep in line with the "kiss" system, people will instead bump a 5-15-14 ratio to 1.8 ec so the plant gets the required N...?

That's not the first S, it's the second.

For all the talk of simplicity, has anyone ever ran maxigrow at 1.0 ec through veg to compare the results with the full strength bloom? I'd be very surprised if the maxibloom is better.

I think the simplest thing is the one a lot of you are overlooking - that a basic veg formula fed at 1.0 ec is the simplest and most effective one out there. Maxigrow is perfect, and surely nobody can argue that using one packet in veg and a different one in flower isn't just as simple?

If you're pushing your ECs to 1.8 and thereabout, just to compensate for the lack of nitrogen in the bloom, then you're wasting nutes and needlessly putting them back into the water supply.

If 0.6 EC (and that's a lot when you consider how many people and how much water) can be knocked off your feeds while getting the same or better results, why not just do it?

I understand what you are saying My goal was to feed 5 different strains in veg and bloom with the same 7g/gal MB from blumats- all from one res. So "no" to what you are saying, that is not even close to as simple as what I'm trying. Setting up another res for maxigrow is not happening. Nor am I going to handwater anything if I can help it. My wasted nutes don't enter any water supply system and I don't think there is any shortage of nutes in the world so it's probably cool if I waste a tiny bag of MB every few months. My goal isn't to taylor the nutes to the plants, it's to grow simple as possible. I don't care if I could grow bigger, better and more. I can only use so much MJ and I got better hobbies that are more fun than being a slave to some plants.

 

[papaduc]

The point I was making was a more general one really. Obviously a lot of the points are moot in your case. But If you can use 1.0ec to get the same results as 1.8, it's a no brainer really to just do it, for many reasons.

With regards to the simplicity of it, you could go 50/50 on the maxigrow and maxibloom to get 7-10-14?
Something to think about, if not for you then someone else maybe. It's what I'd do and might do if I get some of it. It might be the best of both worlds for you. And no slavery

 

[bmp420gti]

Maxigrow probably does get impressive results, but I'm new to growing. This is my first run after I just happened to plant some bagseed, now I have a tent and a light, a humidifier and fans and ducts out the ass. I have probably spent over 100 hours on this site reading all sorts of threads trying to digest as much info as I can.

That said, there is a whole lot of info I need to know and learn, and I dont exactly have the time since these plants don't seem to want to wait for me. I agree knowing what you are putting into the plants food and why is super important, and maxigrow may indeed be better for a lot of strains but right now as a new grower, I have too much other shit to read up on and figure out. What I need is a proven working simple formula, which will give me good results because its hard to screw up. It seems like everyone who goes by ec or adds different amounts runs into issues.

So trying to get back on track, I started the lucas formula on my cookie cuts today, hopefully in a week ill upload some pics to see how they are responding.

 

[papaduc]

What I need is a proven working simple formula, which will give me good results because its hard to screw up. It seems like everyone who goes by ec or adds different amounts runs into issues.

After reading the beginning of the thread and seeing that the OP intended this just to advise growers on ways to keep it simple, and not to say specifically that you can only use maxibloom and nothing else, as I had been led to believe by listening to the wrong people, I have edited this post to say I fully agree with the principles as they're set out here.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Maxigrow probably does get impressive results, but I'm new to growing. This is my first run after I just happened to plant some bagseed, now I have a tent and a light, a humidifier and fans and ducts out the ass. I have probably spent over 100 hours on this site reading all sorts of threads trying to digest as much info as I can.

That said, there is a whole lot of info I need to know and learn, and I dont exactly have the time since these plants don't seem to want to wait for me. I agree knowing what you are putting into the plants food and why is super important, and maxigrow may indeed be better for a lot of strains but right now as a new grower, I have too much other shit to read up on and figure out. What I need is a proven working simple formula, which will give me good results because its hard to screw up. It seems like everyone who goes by ec or adds different amounts runs into issues.

So trying to get back on track, I started the lucas formula on my cookie cuts today, hopefully in a week ill upload some pics to see how they are responding.

Congrats on the first grow man and don't sweat fucking it up because you probably won't, weed is pretty sturdy stuff and there are some great people here that will help a lot.

I think MB at 7g per gallon is exactly what you are looking for but Lucas works great too, they are very similar. Try them both and decide what works best for your environment and grow style.

I have bolded your quote to highlight why I think you will like using MB. I have very nice meters that I don't use anymore because MB just works.

Best of luck brother, you should start a grow thread and link to it here.

 

[dansbuds]

I see nothing has changed in here !!!!

 

[RicoT]

Anyone try and find the V&B to be superior to MB? I think you tried it dan, as well as Retro..?

Used MB with 200ppm tap w/ success… I think the fact that MB works well has been established with almost 200 pages worth of dialogue. Just wondering if it's as easy with V&B to net better product. Not trying to get too far off topic.

 

[dansbuds]

yup , i'm still using the V&B ..... its been great on my veg plants compared to anything else i've used . flowering is nice with it , but you have to make sure & NOT over feed with it cuz of its N content being a 1 part . just trying they're plus size on a run of SFV i have in now .

 

[RicoT]

Sounds good man, PLEASE let us know how the finished quality compares to MB. And if you have a grow somewhere feel free to throw that link at me. Thanks Dan

 

[RicoT]

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[papaduc]

How much this community has changed…
Civil discussions, comparisons, and debates used to be welcomed and informative regardless of the sole product being discussed.. And V&B is very much a valid inquiry for comparison here.

There's not much else to say about MB that hasn't been said in the past 200 pages and as soon as an extremely comparable product is mentioned this is the type of response you get… A childish "you're against the club so get out" reply…
I even prefaced my inquiry to DAN stating that I've already had success using 7g/gal MB.. What more is there to say about it than that…? Not even including the other 180 pages of shit that's been said and didn't have to be…..

So.... if this thread continues another 200 pages, I guess it'll only be people stating shit that's ALREADY been said, asking the same questions w/ the same answers, praising the ALREADY proven results, or God forbid someone just not totally satisfied w/ the results but not allowed to inquire about potentially superior and JUST AS EASY to use products.. Or they'll be told to leave the thread? LMFAO my time posting here was done long ago and this is exactly why..

Being open minded is what allowed everyone to start this regimen over their previous one..and wanting equally good or BETTER weed… Remaining open minded and hearing people out even if it's not SPECIFICALLY pertaining to MB may give us all a regimen that's just as easy to use with better results.. And if not, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT of hearing it, discussing, and COMPARING RESULTS!!

Saddening to see an online community I once enjoyed for the maturity and CIVILITY of it's discussions, comparisons, and debates…always with a mutual goal of reaching the most superior end product.. Now it's about who created what, this and that label put on it, putting others down, and fucking egos out of this world. And there's my rant for the day fuck it..

And I totally understand the organization aspect of things around here. But I'll be damn if a motherfucker can't go into a product-specific thread and ask if anyone has used an EXTREMELY similar product to the one being discussed and their opinion or results(especially a 200 page one), without being shunned from that thread by band wagoners looking to state the obvious before the next dick rider does so

Some people need to hop the fuck down from the horse, or off of whoever's online dick they're riding for approval. Oh wait, still in the Maxibloom thread? SHIT. Didn't even realize……


Btw.. Thanks for answering Dan! Look forward to the SFV harvest and your comparison. Even though I despise V&B's marketing tactics, it definitely has me interested in switching if the results speak.

Well said mate.

I was going to reply to your question to Dans and ask you if you'd run the maxigrow and bloom 50/50, because it'd give you what I think is a good balance between the V+B and the maxibloom alone. The ratio would be something like 7-10-14 I think.

 

[Dr.RedWhite]

Question about Maxibloom. My water starts at 480 PPMs and a bit over 8 PH. How much does Maxibloom cause the PH to drop? I might switch from Jacks if I can get a 2. point drop in my tap by using it.

 

[Morcheeba*]

Question about Maxibloom. My water starts at 480 PPMs and a bit over 8 PH. How much does Maxibloom cause the PH to drop? I might switch from Jacks if I can get a 2. point drop in my tap by using it.

not sure what my tap ppm is but id suggest to keep track of the ammt. of ph down/up needed to get your nutes to the proper ph range and do this for a few months to see if you are having to add the same ammt each time. if so then you have something to go by but be careful b/c your tap can change over time as mine has so its not a bad idea to randomly check to see if your ph is still good.


peace

 

[Morcheeba*]

"The K.I.S.S. Method"

just to remind everyone what the thread is about.


peace

 

[Payaso]

I think this thread is great, from the point of discussing how to keep it simple, stoner... but at times it gets off topic a bit, which is why threads here at ICMag get cleaned up!

Sorry of some recent off-topic posts have been removed, but let's get over it and move along. If the threads run it's course and now become an endless discussion of a specific fert then we SHOULD shut it.

It's all up to you, the members.

 

[RetroGrow]

I think this thread is great, from the point of discussing how to keep it simple, stoner... but at times it gets off topic a bit, which is why threads here at ICMag get cleaned up!

Sorry of some recent off-topic posts have been removed, but let's get over it and move along. If the threads run it's course and now become an endless discussion of a specific fert then we SHOULD shut it.

It's all up to you, the members.

We, who actually use the K.I.S.S. method don't want the thread closed. It's the troll who has been off topic and relentlessly trying to start trouble. The people who prefer other nutrient systems should go to that thread. One obsessive compulsive troll should not be allowed to come into a thread in an attempt to get it binned.