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*The K.I.S.S. Method*
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dutchmasters420
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Hey definitely using this method this year outdoors.
Just a question about flushing procedures in soil, when do you guys stop feeding the mb?
Just a question about flushing procedures in soil, when do you guys stop feeding the mb?
Actually its not even close, they use very similar schedules however the Nova has many benefits that maxi does not.
Example... chelated minerals, much better source of micro nutrients, more stable ph buffers, etc
I have used both for many yrs, Maxi is awesome in its own way.. that being said, Flora Nova Bloom is a step up, resulting in greater yields and overall quality herbs.
if you shop around you can get a gallon for 56.00us, I have yet to see anything that tops it in ease of use and overall quality.
I have also tried the veg/bloom.. IMO, go with the maxi or nova
View Image for 5-10 minutes works well for MB dissolving
I would hope it does! ; ) It is however, completely unnecessary.
IMO, people are having trouble because they are confusing "melting" and "dissolving"
We are dissolving the MB. The more water you have, the faster and more completely it dissolves.
Not sure if using hot water slows the actual process but it doesnt help anything because were not trying to melt anything.
Its a waste of time at the least. Have to let it cool before watering anyway.
"Not even close"?
According to GH website, Maxibloom is " Complete in Primary, Secondary, and Micronutrients, pH buffered." This is the same thing they say about Floranova. They are both Lucas formula. There is a link for the labels, but it is not working for me. I have used all 3 types of GH nutes, the 3 part, Floranova, and Maxi, and all of them are good. I have personally had my best results with Maxibloom, but I should add that I also cheat on the K.I.S.S. method by adding florilicious+. It has humic acid, like Floranova. I also like to add Bloombastic in flower for an increase in trichome production. I would like to see a side by side using each, to see if there is any discernable difference. I also prefer the powder to the liquid, because of the shaking business with the liquid, and also because it is impossible to keep it from dripping down the side of the bottle. Also the powder costs about half. Admittedly, this is splitting hairs, and you really can't go wrong with any of their lines, but if I had to stick with only one single part, it would be Maxibloom, because of the price and ease of use. There's a thread here about the two:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=144001
i have been using botanicare in soil since i switched to indoor. i currently use botanicare full line up except i dont use hydrguard or vitamino or sweet.i use ac 1k's co2. my best yields have been a hair over 2 lbs per 1k (blue dream.
at low points its been at the very least over 1lb per 1k with an average 1.5-1.75 per 1kwatt.
im happy with that.
flavor rocks. seriously smells better than anyone else i know. loud stanky shit for sure. frost totally nice etc.
people i know using soiless with h&g getting similar yields but no stink. you have to squeeze thier buds to smell it. mine will make your neighbors curious if you open up a turkey bag.
factors other than nutes and soil. i dont take off big leaves at harvest other than what i prune off during end of growth. i hang them up no dry trim whats so ever. i chop and hang, no prep of any kind. big leaves and all. i let them dry in constant passive air exhaust no heat no dehumidifier. i live in pnw high humidty almost year round.
it generally takes 14 days give or take depending on weather and temp outside. trim as usual maybe a little bin curing to finish off the fine tuning of moisture content of final product.
i am curious if using kiss in soil would give me similar results as i get in regards to smell. is it my soil that gives the stink. could bpb be used in a modified kiss recipe? i.e. 1 or two main ingredients exclusively throughout run. are people actually reporting no yeild loss after switching to kiss after running optimum yield in other more complex nutrient profiles?
im assuming i would lose aroma if not some yield if i switched to kiss in coco. however im extremely tempted to give it a go in soil first as a side by side because it would be an easy way to dip my feet without changing my rooms watering needs just add a resevoir for nutes and try it out. if that goes well i may play with a coco dripper set up. hmmmmm thoughts? i dont want to lose epic loud stink.
thanks!
at low points its been at the very least over 1lb per 1k with an average 1.5-1.75 per 1kwatt.
im happy with that.
flavor rocks. seriously smells better than anyone else i know. loud stanky shit for sure. frost totally nice etc.
people i know using soiless with h&g getting similar yields but no stink. you have to squeeze thier buds to smell it. mine will make your neighbors curious if you open up a turkey bag.
factors other than nutes and soil. i dont take off big leaves at harvest other than what i prune off during end of growth. i hang them up no dry trim whats so ever. i chop and hang, no prep of any kind. big leaves and all. i let them dry in constant passive air exhaust no heat no dehumidifier. i live in pnw high humidty almost year round.
it generally takes 14 days give or take depending on weather and temp outside. trim as usual maybe a little bin curing to finish off the fine tuning of moisture content of final product.
i am curious if using kiss in soil would give me similar results as i get in regards to smell. is it my soil that gives the stink. could bpb be used in a modified kiss recipe? i.e. 1 or two main ingredients exclusively throughout run. are people actually reporting no yeild loss after switching to kiss after running optimum yield in other more complex nutrient profiles?
im assuming i would lose aroma if not some yield if i switched to kiss in coco. however im extremely tempted to give it a go in soil first as a side by side because it would be an easy way to dip my feet without changing my rooms watering needs just add a resevoir for nutes and try it out. if that goes well i may play with a coco dripper set up. hmmmmm thoughts? i dont want to lose epic loud stink.
thanks!
A lot of factors/variables go into taste, and taste is subjective. Personally, I would never go back to soil after growing in coco. To improve taste, I like to add Florilicious+, and sometimes "Sweet", citrus flavor. But terpenes are terpenes. Some plants have the stank, naturally, and some don't. But, the terpene profile can be modified to some extent by additives, like those mentioned, and by hormones and bennies.
You are not going to lose any yield with KISS compared to "coco nutes".
Anyway, yield in coco blows away soil. Triacontanol works well as a growth hormone.
You are not going to lose any yield with KISS compared to "coco nutes".
Anyway, yield in coco blows away soil. Triacontanol works well as a growth hormone.
thanks!
yeah i have noticed the difference in the same clone and different growers. mine stinks loud which isnt such a subjective thing as a volume of smell. it is subjective which smells one likes or finds intriguing. what is not subjective is meeting up with friends opening three bags of the same clone grown by 3 diffeent growers and (whether one likes the smell or not) there is a distinct difference in the intensity of the smell coming off of it. they all have roughly the same smells but its like there is a volume nob. mine is on 11 and my h&g soiless friend is about a 5 consistently. most recently we did this with 4 of us. we all grew black cherry cheese cake (lovely strain btw).they all looked outstanding. but
another guy who runs botanicare and mine stood waaaay far out in smell. his was nicer than mine but not by a lot. he does a really similar but less complex line up of pretty bpb heavy nutes in roots soil like me. his shit is alway super nice smelling and frosted out.
btw this isnt a bpb plug. i honestly think its over priced but its just what i know. ive also achieved equal results with soul synthetics a hybrid line by roots organics and also with another local shops own line as well. bpb is just simpler to use than theirs.
i really wish i understood what the factors were so i could maximise on them and run something like kiss and still achieve a stellar nose on my flowers. maybe i can maybe im wrong about the reasons its different.i think ill try it and see in a side by side in soil thus eliminating one package of factors first. if that proves to be very similar ill go back to one or the other with everything but go from soil to coco in a part of the room.
im really eager to simplify and cut costs in the nutrient department. not to mention being able to run drippers.holy shit that would be a real game changer for me.
im just not really willing to let go of the one thing that makes my herbs as appealing a they are.people who try it always comment on how fucking crazy it smells compared to everyones. not trying to brag. im by no means an expert just a dude reading product labels and scratchin my head as to why im gettin the smell part right.
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StanKDanK
keep it organic no ferts
paperchaser825
Active member
This is a perfect example of why the "no" button was a good thing.
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organic no ferts?.....what the hell does that mean. stick it in a bucket of top soil and water it til it turns yellow. well anyway, does anyone who knows what the hell they are talking about have any input.it sounds like people are mitigating the hydro synthetics smell issue with floralicious which is a humic acid product. @retro thanks for the input! i am also considering staying on the botanicare line to see if the hybrid nature of that would keep it in line with my needs. i am curious to run one or two on a little tiny coco hydro self contained bucket to see what i think of how the flavor and aromas differ. looking to a kiss equivelent to botanicare. ill look in the lucas thread for similar conversions.
paperchaser825
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Research "the high P myth". There's some good stuff out there on overfeeding and the effects on taste, this specifically deals with overfeeding your plants with Phosphorus. Simply put, giving your plants more than they need, in terms of nutrients, throughout their life cycle will ultimately result in buds that either need to be "cured" with extreme care (I personally have never been able to "cure" a bud to good taste once the plant has been overfed) or just a shitty tasting product.
TrychomeMadness
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If anyone uses molasses with mb how many ml per gal and what is the prefered time in flower to use?
Caravaggio
Member
You guys are still going on about this?
The best KISS that there is IMO, is DynaGrow. YEa its a liquid but it's perfect. All you need is 1 bottle but it's concentrated as hell and it takes you from Veg-Flower.
I use the Foliage Pro personally and use it at .5-1.0 in Veg and 1.0-1.6 in Flower. I use it with drip clean and feed everytime. Not a single issue in my rooms.
Maxi did great
Original V+B did ok
V+B dirty did shit
MaxiGrow did the next best with a hit of Maxibloom every 3rd feeding in Flower
The best KISS that there is IMO, is DynaGrow. YEa its a liquid but it's perfect. All you need is 1 bottle but it's concentrated as hell and it takes you from Veg-Flower.
I use the Foliage Pro personally and use it at .5-1.0 in Veg and 1.0-1.6 in Flower. I use it with drip clean and feed everytime. Not a single issue in my rooms.
Maxi did great
Original V+B did ok
V+B dirty did shit
MaxiGrow did the next best with a hit of Maxibloom every 3rd feeding in Flower
I don't grow organic but ill elaborate a bit..............build up your soil using methods that can be found in the organic soil section and then just water...you can also feed various types of AACT.
peace
unsulphered blackstrap molasses is used to feed the micro herd in organic gardening, its sugar, so look in the organic section for help but im guessing they will tell you salt ferts kill micro herd and you would be wasting your time.
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sourpuss
I use molasses with chem ferts up to flush..
Only use it in place of carbs/sugars. Seems to b a cheap replacement for those products. Regardless of organic chem use nute companies suggest using these products. Molasses just keeps a few bucks in your pocket instead. I have 3 kids.
Some say its unneeded. Better off spending 10 bucks than not. I use very little. Pests love molasses. Will b changing to a safer carb soon as I run out of molasses.
Only use it in place of carbs/sugars. Seems to b a cheap replacement for those products. Regardless of organic chem use nute companies suggest using these products. Molasses just keeps a few bucks in your pocket instead. I have 3 kids.
Some say its unneeded. Better off spending 10 bucks than not. I use very little. Pests love molasses. Will b changing to a safer carb soon as I run out of molasses.
Behind_The_Mask
Member
just took down two 2x4 tables of Chem and Black rose
all fed with Maxi
all fed with Maxi
Caravaggio
Member
Where could I find this Black Rose strain?
