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*The K.I.S.S. Method*
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I kid you not, my local HTG is always extremely low or completely out of Maxibloom. Shelf was bare last week...
i just wanted to chime in about kool bloom...
i just bought a bag to use with my maxibloom last month...i run a tight sog(c99) in perpetual and i have been running it a good while now, so i have really gotten to know this plant, in the last month, since using it, my crop, which is going to be ready on Friday, is frostier than it has ever been, by far, it smells stronger, and is denser and fatter than ever before, KoolBloom really ROCKS!
also, just to mention, i was a big believer in not using much maxi if the plants didn't need it, and not using ANY sort of bud candys or bloom boosters...i would always run as low a concentration as possible, but lately ive been reading a lot about the benefits of high ec levels and have been working on getting as much maxi in them without burning them as possible the first month, during the second month having the kool bloom really helps because i can keep my ec high while lowering my nitrogen value so that in the end i get more juice in my girls without causing a nitrogen toxicity...
i used to think this was un-natural and unnecessary to get good yields but ive been finding high ec levels really shorten up node length, while speeding up growth somewhat...the end result is that the plants finish around the same height as before but with up too 33% more nodes, so bigger, thicker buds, vs a plant given the bare minimum. i have found that my plants can take almost 3 times the amount of juice i used to flower them with and though the results aren't 3 times better, considering how cheep this stuff is, i figure yielding 20% more is worth it... and then the ripening mix really gets those suckers nice and plump, tasting better and probably much more potent from the increased trichomes, i use about 1/2 scoop of it most of the time, but there are times when my plants are nearing nitrogen toxicity where i'll cut out maxi completely and use a full scoop of kool bloom, although i wouldn't recommend it, it's very easy to burn plants at that level.
so basically by going from half a scoop to over a whole scoop of maxi per flowering the first month of flowering i got more nodes, and by supplementing with kool bloom those nodes are making much plumper and tastier buds...all in all this is going to add to the quality of my product and the amount of product i produce, and it all flushes out with 2 weeks of plain water, although i'm thinking about trying a flushing agent soon, too see if i can tell the difference...
one of the benefits to running a perpetual harvest, is that you can see the results of new products and techniques so much faster! and from somebody that's been using nothing but maxi bloom for almost 2 years, kool bloom is a MUST HAVE!
i just bought a bag to use with my maxibloom last month...i run a tight sog(c99) in perpetual and i have been running it a good while now, so i have really gotten to know this plant, in the last month, since using it, my crop, which is going to be ready on Friday, is frostier than it has ever been, by far, it smells stronger, and is denser and fatter than ever before, KoolBloom really ROCKS!
also, just to mention, i was a big believer in not using much maxi if the plants didn't need it, and not using ANY sort of bud candys or bloom boosters...i would always run as low a concentration as possible, but lately ive been reading a lot about the benefits of high ec levels and have been working on getting as much maxi in them without burning them as possible the first month, during the second month having the kool bloom really helps because i can keep my ec high while lowering my nitrogen value so that in the end i get more juice in my girls without causing a nitrogen toxicity...
i used to think this was un-natural and unnecessary to get good yields but ive been finding high ec levels really shorten up node length, while speeding up growth somewhat...the end result is that the plants finish around the same height as before but with up too 33% more nodes, so bigger, thicker buds, vs a plant given the bare minimum. i have found that my plants can take almost 3 times the amount of juice i used to flower them with and though the results aren't 3 times better, considering how cheep this stuff is, i figure yielding 20% more is worth it... and then the ripening mix really gets those suckers nice and plump, tasting better and probably much more potent from the increased trichomes, i use about 1/2 scoop of it most of the time, but there are times when my plants are nearing nitrogen toxicity where i'll cut out maxi completely and use a full scoop of kool bloom, although i wouldn't recommend it, it's very easy to burn plants at that level.
so basically by going from half a scoop to over a whole scoop of maxi per flowering the first month of flowering i got more nodes, and by supplementing with kool bloom those nodes are making much plumper and tastier buds...all in all this is going to add to the quality of my product and the amount of product i produce, and it all flushes out with 2 weeks of plain water, although i'm thinking about trying a flushing agent soon, too see if i can tell the difference...
one of the benefits to running a perpetual harvest, is that you can see the results of new products and techniques so much faster! and from somebody that's been using nothing but maxi bloom for almost 2 years, kool bloom is a MUST HAVE!
i grow in beds of fox farm happy frog, though i prefer it after all the organic stuff gets used up, i recycle it every round, basically i pull the rapid rooters from the last round up, mix it a little bit, and plant my new clones...so the soil i use at this point has been used over and over, and is basically soil-less.
i start adding koolbloom on day 29, the midpoint of my 56 day c99, although i guess id suggest starting around then for longer strains too, at 4 weeks...i start with 1/4 scoop for one watering then i go up too 1/2 scoop, this past week was the first time i tried a full scoop in absence of any maxi, and it seems too have done the trick, my leaves are lightening up a bit, and my buds are thicker than ever...this week im going back to a full scoop of maxi and half a scoop of koolbloom...i'm trying to get a good feel for how much i can give them and when...i should warn you, my c99 is a very nute hungry plant, you might burn the crap out of your girls if you try my levels so be careful whatever you do.
i wouldn't recommend going over half a scoop of koolbloom the stuff is really really potent, but i really do believe that finding the max you can pump in will really increase yield AND quality, though it goes against everything i used to believe...i guess it's hard to argue with glistening buds staring right at me...
i start adding koolbloom on day 29, the midpoint of my 56 day c99, although i guess id suggest starting around then for longer strains too, at 4 weeks...i start with 1/4 scoop for one watering then i go up too 1/2 scoop, this past week was the first time i tried a full scoop in absence of any maxi, and it seems too have done the trick, my leaves are lightening up a bit, and my buds are thicker than ever...this week im going back to a full scoop of maxi and half a scoop of koolbloom...i'm trying to get a good feel for how much i can give them and when...i should warn you, my c99 is a very nute hungry plant, you might burn the crap out of your girls if you try my levels so be careful whatever you do.
i wouldn't recommend going over half a scoop of koolbloom the stuff is really really potent, but i really do believe that finding the max you can pump in will really increase yield AND quality, though it goes against everything i used to believe...i guess it's hard to argue with glistening buds staring right at me...
I am a little confused about one thing, ive always been nervous to ask about because the answer is undoubtedly pretty obvious and id feel pretty stupid to get it, but here goes...
ok so the npk numbers, those are percentages, by weight, of the powder in question right? like maxi powder is 5% nitrogen 15% phosphorus, and 14% potassium....of course once you mix a scoop of that with water it goes down by a lot...fractions of percents right...
but what i'm wondering is, ok, of course a quarter scoop of maxi will still be 5/14/15 but when mixed with say an ounce of water, it becomes a quarter strength compared to the full scoop in a shot glass right? their concentrations in comparison with each other stays the same, but the overall concentration depends on the amount of water mixed in with said amount of fertilizer.
so on the bag of Koolbloom when it says the levels are 2/45/28 but lists the recommended dose as 1/4 scoop...so whether you use a full scoop or a quarter scoop the npk rating stays the same but the amount of water per scoop changes...i dont' want to go through the effort of figuring out what the percentages would be in a gallon of water, but if i put 7 grams of maxi in water vs 1.7 grams of kool bloom in water wouldn't you then be able to figure that there is 4 times more water in the koolbloom mix, so in theory all those numbers would be reduced by 1/4th (but only if you figure the water in, which i will not to save time)...
so if you go by that reasoning, and basically added 3 kilo's of filler to 1 kilo of koolbloom, you could then mix it at the same amounts as maxi, only it's new npk rating would be .5/11/7 ...in effect without the filler you are doing the same thing, so if you put them both into a gallon of water, the 1 scoop of maxi and 1/4 scoop of koolbloom, you are in effect watering your plants with a fertilizer something like 5.5/26/21 right? i mean it isn't like just adding the two original npk values right? and if you use half a scoop of koolbloom it would be like 6/37/ 28 right? but this can't be right because i'm not supposed to be adding the numbers, i'm supposed to be combining them...i just don't get the math and how the numbers come out in the end once you start adding different fertilizers and different strengths and concentrations...
it would be awesome if somebody could explain this too me, i'm not terrible at math but it's been a long time since i was in any kind of school and i'm sure i'm missing something glaringly obvious...do i add them together and divide by the amount of grams or something>? meh math, you beat me again...
ok so the npk numbers, those are percentages, by weight, of the powder in question right? like maxi powder is 5% nitrogen 15% phosphorus, and 14% potassium....of course once you mix a scoop of that with water it goes down by a lot...fractions of percents right...
but what i'm wondering is, ok, of course a quarter scoop of maxi will still be 5/14/15 but when mixed with say an ounce of water, it becomes a quarter strength compared to the full scoop in a shot glass right? their concentrations in comparison with each other stays the same, but the overall concentration depends on the amount of water mixed in with said amount of fertilizer.
so on the bag of Koolbloom when it says the levels are 2/45/28 but lists the recommended dose as 1/4 scoop...so whether you use a full scoop or a quarter scoop the npk rating stays the same but the amount of water per scoop changes...i dont' want to go through the effort of figuring out what the percentages would be in a gallon of water, but if i put 7 grams of maxi in water vs 1.7 grams of kool bloom in water wouldn't you then be able to figure that there is 4 times more water in the koolbloom mix, so in theory all those numbers would be reduced by 1/4th (but only if you figure the water in, which i will not to save time)...
so if you go by that reasoning, and basically added 3 kilo's of filler to 1 kilo of koolbloom, you could then mix it at the same amounts as maxi, only it's new npk rating would be .5/11/7 ...in effect without the filler you are doing the same thing, so if you put them both into a gallon of water, the 1 scoop of maxi and 1/4 scoop of koolbloom, you are in effect watering your plants with a fertilizer something like 5.5/26/21 right? i mean it isn't like just adding the two original npk values right? and if you use half a scoop of koolbloom it would be like 6/37/ 28 right? but this can't be right because i'm not supposed to be adding the numbers, i'm supposed to be combining them...i just don't get the math and how the numbers come out in the end once you start adding different fertilizers and different strengths and concentrations...
it would be awesome if somebody could explain this too me, i'm not terrible at math but it's been a long time since i was in any kind of school and i'm sure i'm missing something glaringly obvious...do i add them together and divide by the amount of grams or something>? meh math, you beat me again...
TheBioMaster
Member
I honestly have no idea what your asking here or what you are trying to accomplish (the goal). I do think however you are over thinking this greatly! It really is not that complicated at all or hard to understand. I would suggest you get a book for basic plant nutrition as even if you do get an explanation, your going to need to know how to "apply" that knowledge.....
For starters your trying to directly relate the NPK ratio's to the dosage somehow, and it does not really work that way. The NPK numbers are there so a grower can determine which fertilizer is needed that will best suit what he is trying to grow. The dosage rate is a suggested amount to mix per gallon, or liter or whatever unit of measurement is being used. There is no further hidden meaning.......
http://www.cleanairgardening.com/npkexplanation.html
For starters your trying to directly relate the NPK ratio's to the dosage somehow, and it does not really work that way. The NPK numbers are there so a grower can determine which fertilizer is needed that will best suit what he is trying to grow. The dosage rate is a suggested amount to mix per gallon, or liter or whatever unit of measurement is being used. There is no further hidden meaning.......
http://www.cleanairgardening.com/npkexplanation.html
i'm trying to figure out how to add the n p k ratings of maxibloom and koolbloom so that i can get a better idea of what kind of npk profile i am ending up with, i figure that if i always use the same amount of maxi but varying dosages of koolbloom, i am tweaking this profile, so it would be good to know how to figure it out, so that i know what i am really giving my plants and when. THAT way, if i have issues with my new fertilizer schedule i can figure it out with greater accuracy and fix it...if i am just mixing these fertilizers together, and ignoring the math because i don't understand it fully i could be giving them something completely off the wall without even knowing it...
i'm not asking about the strength of the nutrients, that is variable with maxi, and kiss, but the theory of the method is that the npk ratio is perfect so you never change that, except of course you do change it by adding koolbloom, and by better understanding how the math works when combining them, you can account for an added strength of that 1/4 scoop of salts the koolbloom adds, when figuring exactly how much of what each strain wants...
i'm not asking about the strength of the nutrients, that is variable with maxi, and kiss, but the theory of the method is that the npk ratio is perfect so you never change that, except of course you do change it by adding koolbloom, and by better understanding how the math works when combining them, you can account for an added strength of that 1/4 scoop of salts the koolbloom adds, when figuring exactly how much of what each strain wants...
simple green
Member
Hey I went on plenty earlier about how I'm digging maxibloom and how I use it here if anyone cares to visit:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5218424&postcount=2049
Somewhere around when I posted somebody came on requestion more pics....
Soooo, I wanted to return w/ a few pics, battling heat but hanging in there....Living the kiss method and how easy maxibloom is to work with...
Familia (Chem 3 x Stardawg) day 35
Green Crack day 35
Black Domina day 35
Be back just before harvest w/ some more pics...
K.I.S.S.!!!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5218424&postcount=2049
Somewhere around when I posted somebody came on requestion more pics....
Soooo, I wanted to return w/ a few pics, battling heat but hanging in there....Living the kiss method and how easy maxibloom is to work with...
Familia (Chem 3 x Stardawg) day 35
Green Crack day 35
Black Domina day 35
Be back just before harvest w/ some more pics...
K.I.S.S.!!!
5-14-15 @ 7 grams
35-98-105
2-45-28 @ 1.7 grams
3.4-76.5-47.6
add em together
38.4-174.5-152.6
divide by 8.7
4.42-20.06-17.54
double check my math.
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Guest 18340
Haven't seen Black Domina around for a while, nice frosting you got going on there simple green
well you wouldn't multiply maxi's npk by 7 i don't think...nor the other stuff, no offense, but i don't think thats how it's done...
TheBioMaster
Member
Freakin SWEEEET!Simple green! Very nice work bro!
Thanks for sharing!
Cheers!
Thanks for sharing!
Cheers!
TheBioMaster
Member
You say your not asking about the strength of the nutrient but really you are as that is one of reason NPK numbers exist in the first place.
Once again I think you are way over thinking this. There is really no math you need to understand (other than addition, and subtraction and in rare cases multiply) per say as the "math" has been done for you and the result of that math equates to the NPK numbers on the bottle for your viewing pleasure.
Take 1 gallon of your source water first and measure with a TDS meter....for example lets say your using your tap water and after taking a reading with the TDS meter you get 200PPM
We will "assume" that you did a water test by sending your water sample to a lab for analysis. The report says you have x% of calcium and x% of magnesium and x for a TA number (total alkalinity). This is just an example so the actual numbers do not matter......
Now from the analysis and our reading from the TDS meter we now know about how much calcium and magnesium is in our gallon of water and how hard or soft it is, and have a good solid starting point to build up the nutrient profile with....
From these numbers and base line readings you now look for your fertilizer that will best suit your needs. This depends on type of plant species as well.....these are acid loving plants for the most part.
So this is where the NPK numbers also come into play to help guide you to making a decision. They represent the concentration levels of N, P, and K in the form of a percentage.
The other things that are equally if not more important is how much magnesium and calcium is in the nutrient formula as well and this information is also found on the label.
You look first back at your starting numbers of your source water gallon, and then choose a nutrient which is a best match for your source water. For example if its super hard meaning it has lots of calcium and magnesium in it already a "Hard Water" nutrient formula is suggested for use.
A hard water formula has less of these minerals in it so when you add your base nutrients you are not exceeding levels of any nutrient component in the formula.
After choosing a nutrient to use you now add the suggested dose on the label and then take another measurement with your TDS meter.
From knowing the NPK values of the base nutrient as well as the other important values like calcium and magnesium, you should be able to formulate a nutrient profile now listing how many PPM's of each nutrient component is present in your gallon of water.
This is what is most important. There are many charts available that show about how many PPM's of each component like Nitrogen that you want to shoot for depending on the stage and maturity of the plant. You then tweak this formula according to how the plants respond and let the plants guide you.
A good profile for clones all the way up to transitional periods of flowering is Dyna-Gro Bloom formula. You can tweak the nitrogen and calcium and magnesium levels with Cal/Mag. I would check the numbers on Dyna-Gro Bloom formula and use that as a guide of sorts...this bloom formula has been tested and shown to be a most excellent ratio for these plants. The formula will grow massive root mass's and encourage stems and branching which is what you want in later veg stages........
Cheers!
mattkilla420
Member
Do u use the liquid or powder or both. I kno the two don't differ that much so if I only need one... k.I.s.s. ..
Well my silica reporting Is about same as I was told. My tap water is 5.8-6.0. 7g of MB takes it down 4.5-5 . Adding the silica FIRST I figured that 7ml of pro silicate takes it to perfect 5.8-5.9. Hope this stuff is worth it ,more beneficial than plain Ph up. So all I'm using is the silicate with 7g of MB and I will be business koolbloom in about 10 days as my girls are 3 weeks in. No other additives for now.
Guys I am loving K.I.S.S. I originally switched BC I partnered up and wanted make things easier for my partner but its becoming a way of life for me. I kno its not for all strains but until I find one, I'm one happy camper .
Veg closet. Momma and her clones!
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high matt, the fact is that liquid KB and powdered KB are VERY different.
here are the product descriptions for each so you can see just how different they are.
the powder first:
Product Description
KoolBloom 2-45-28 Encourages abundant flowering. Facilitates ripening in annuals. Boosts production of essential oils and fragrances. Increases size and weight of fruits and flowers. Precisely formulated to boost potency and enhance the performance of all types of nutrients. Dry KoolBloom is packed with the potency your plants prefer in the final stages of flowering for raging weight gain and ripening to perfection. The ingredients that make Dry KoolBloom unique will make your fruits swell, while exponentially increasing the production of essential oils and floral fragrance. Dry KoolBloom is rich in phosphorous and potassium, fortified by our own secret ingredients. This blend enhances production of essential oils and fragrances by mildly stressing plants during the formation of fruits and flowers. Dry KoolBloom is used during the second phase of reproductive growth in conjunction with Liquid KoolBloom, which is used at the start of flowering. The KoolBloom Combo--Start with the Liquid...Finish with the Dry.
and now the liquid:
Product Description
Liquid Koolbloom 0-10-10 Just like its dry counterpart Liquid KoolBloom is a highly concentrated additive that promotes abundant flowering and helps facilitate ripening in annual and perennial flowers and herbs. Liquid KoolBloom is designed to be used during the reproductive cycle and will result in larger, heavier fruits and flowers. Liquid KoolBloom also enhances the production of essential oils and fragrances in flowers and culinary herbs.
notice not just the difference in the numbers but in how little info is given for the liquid.
peace, AD
Caravaggio
Member
When you guys add your Koolbloom are you using just the Koolbloom or are you adding it in addition to your regular nutes?
