The IC Organic Growers Community Thread.

[Johnnyseed]

The Rev's book goes very in depth with organics.
feather meal
greensand
compost (strict seafood, leaf and fruit compost)
And Fox Farms ONLY organic nutrient formula ~ Big Bloom
Medi-one

Good to go.

 

[dank.frank]

There are much more in-depth books than the Rev's TLO guide...

Keep reading - you're just scratching the surface with that one.



dank.Frank

 

[Luther Burbank]

The rev and jorge's books should both be tossed.

 

[Johnnyseed]

Welp. That's what im hear for. More n more research. Trial and error.
I read the books
I read the forums.
I do my homework.

Im on the right track.

Peace.

 

[Luther Burbank]

You're reading the wrong books. I don't know one quality grow manual written specifically for cannabis. I'd highly suggest "teeming with microbes", "teeming with nutrients", and anything by Albert Howard or Albrecht. The trick isn't learning about growing pot, it's about learning how to grow plants. There's too many myths and untruths in the stuff marketed to pot growers.

 

[Johnnyseed]

True.

But info is info
the real test is the grow itself. With the plant. Any plant. 10 years growing and gardening and I think im getting the gist of things.

Everyone has preference

 

[Luther Burbank]

I'm trying to figure out how to kindly rebute your point. Years of listening to the Jorges and Revs make chicken salad out of chicken shit has tested my patience. Yes info is info, but incorrect information is still incorrect information. Someone telling you the world is flat, or the moon is made of cheese is entirely unhelpful even if it's information. If you want good info on cannabis check out Robert Clarke's "Cannabis Botany" and his epic tome with Mark Merlin "Cannabis Ethnobotany".

Regardless welcome to Organics and I hope my attitude hasn't left a bad impression or driven you off. One Love, let the knowledge flow.

 

[Johnnyseed]

I will definitely check those readings.

But any scholar will take information, observe and experiment.

Take that knowledge from whats learned and move on. Believe half of what you hear until seen for oneself.

 

[Johnnyseed]

Attitude only comes when one cares.

No offense taken.
Grow on. I learn from people like you.

No prob bob

 

[Luther Burbank]

And any good scholar will know to separate the wheat from the chaff. Big ups!

 

[dank.frank]

I think as cannabis continues to progress and moves from the backwoods to the main production fields - we will see more and more proper agriculture.

I don't really cast blame or shame on what is considered "bro / stoner science" ...

Things weren't the same when those guys started out. There wasn't ANY information out there - you couldn't just jump on the net and get it all figured out with the help of people all over the world...you really had to go on instinct and make logical deductions about what you were seeing in your garden based on variance of inputs. It's very easy to make an incorrect observation - happens in scientific laboratories EVERY DAY - in every topic under the sun.

I honestly BENEFITED from reading the old books on just cannabis growing because it gave me a based point - and it also allowed me to see error and things that were incorrect without actually having to make those mistakes. It's like a history lesson - it's part of cannabis history - and in part plays a huge role on the way things developed into what they are today.

I agree - it is important to know TRUTH - but that is where forums came in for me:

"Hey, I read __________...what say the masses?"

There has to be room for that kind of thing on forums - even if it means repeating yourself 1,000 times.

And I'm not saying anyone is being close minded or having an attitude - just tossing in my two cents.



dank.Frank

 

[Luther Burbank]

Always appreciate your two cents frank!

 

[Seaf0ur]

Encyclopedia of Soil Science: Springer

Rodale's Ultimate encyclopedia of organic gardening

 

[VerdantGreen]

yeah those books are flawed iin some ways. Rev i have to say grows some very impressive plants using his methods so the results are hard to argue with. perhaps the methods are a little gimmicky.

the old books i still hold a soft spot for because, like frank, they were what i used to start growing, and the simple info that you have to go 12/12 to flower cannabis is something you defo need to find out in order to get buds. just that simple fact is worth buying the book for if you arent going to find it out anywhere else, no internet etc. if you follow the methods you do get some success so despite the BS therein, they are a means to an end.

i will agree that they have perpetuated some myths which still pervade the forums.

johnnyseed good to see you here! and well debated on those points you made
its good to have peeps keeping luther on his toes

VG

edit - thanks for the links seafour!

 

[dank.frank]

My point is just to skip ANY dogma...

And learn how to LEARN.

NOT ONE OF US (maybe 2 or 3) got here on our own...and then they get so exalted we forget they are human and fallible and made their own mistakes along the way and had to LEARN just like each of us do...

Any one can write a script - but it takes a director to make those words an actionable reality...

And you can say that science and art don't mix - I 100% disagree....

It is ALWAYS VISION that creates advancements...

What if we all stuck to the old canna books as being literally a growing bible? How far would we have come?

What if we all stick to the advice of our much smarter and experienced mentors and fail to try anything different?

Progress...advancement...is distinguished by trial and error - and then replicated by others to determine validity...

Let's not get lost in dogma - let's f'ing GROW - as quickly as our "weed" does...

We are SOOOOOO undeserving of 99.99999999999% of what we have today. Let's bite the bullet and simply admit it....

There can be no ego involved in a plant that has been across the world in various forms for thousands of years longer than any one of us can count. NO ONE has claim or "right" to anything in that regard. It is all inherited. It is all adaptation from previous information. HOW DARE WE make lite or even worse make small of those that walked this path long before many of us were even born...

I'm sorry to go on a rant...but sometimes you get in "the zone" and it just flows. This has nothing to do with organics, but the entire state of the hobby in general....

Please, I beg of all of you - please, let us not get lost in ourselves and our own desires. There is NOTHING wrong with such things - but NEVER forget the ground you walk on.

I'm done now. Soapbox over.



dank.Frank

 

[VerdantGreen]

i'll have a toke on whatever frank's smokin'

i think objectivity is a key skill. Drawing realistic conclusions from trying this and that is very prone to fallacy - we change something and really want to hang any success on that change we made... but it could easily have been affected by any number of other environmental change we aren't taking into account.

a little arrogance can be a good thing imo, you should really believe in the way you grow and the methods you use - but be prepared to consider others' input and opinions.

that said, we need to keep a lid on our zealotry and make sure we dont cross the line and start hating on others and their methods just because they are different to ours, or we disagree with their opinions. that is BS and there should be no place for it when we are all on the same side, growing a plant we all love.

VG

 

[dank.frank]

...we are all on the same side, growing a plant we all love.

VG

In a some what edited summation....

I couldn't agree more. Diversity in the gene pool is a great thing (at times) - but diversity amongst the individuals doing the do... leads to nothing but new forums and isolation...

There is ZERO room for such non-sense in the world the flower dancers brought to us so freely...



dank.Frank

 

[rik78]

some more interesting books

 

[Johnnyseed]

Thanks a lot guys.

VG,
im new to your work but your strains are really eye catching.
Looking forward to trying your work soon.

 

[Ez Rider]

I'm having some trouble with my current grow(https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=288205) This is my first foray into 100% organics, and I'm not sure what to do/what's wrong. I'd really appreciate some input from the experienced organic growers out there.

Thanks Ez