The Haze discussion thread

[Bnyest]

Some friend told me that via pm
"It's either Todd talking shit thru sock puppet accounts or he's sending his little shit minions to attack you and anyone that criticizes him."

Shit tell your friend he got me, I’m one of Todd’s minions with hidden agenda to get you banned . I knew I shouldn’t open my mouth about getting free pack from him. Bro I don’t know you, like you or dislike you. Just stating the fact that your plants don’t look healthy. You’re the one calling me idiot and troll for it. Feel bad for you having russets mites problem and wish you all the best.
Im done here, I’m not arguing with someone saying that no matter how much you abuse the plant it shouldn’t show intersex traits.

 

[funkyhorse]

20 years ago even 10 years ago if you saw a brad leaf looking plant from a Haze seed you be freaking out there would be mass panic and out rage and hermaphrodites on top they be burning down villages.

How things have changed ha.

Today intersex humans get better treatment than heterosexual. Look at the case of Israel Folau
The best breeders in the world and the people with the biggest knowledge also make/made intersex genetics

Swazi Skunk Seedsman Skunkman Range
I am not complaining nor burning down villages to find my first and only male from the 10 pack showed sex male. Wetlands is a hard environment for this strain

This Swazi Skunk showed sex as a boy, went outdoors and turned full girl, another girl showed balls I culled

This is a Deep Chunk x intersex Ohz90 boy. So far progeny from this male shows no problem. I think maryjaneismyfre is right about intersex male progeny.
I can make quite a long list of all the intersex strains I have seen in this short time I am growing. My environment is not easy for many strains it seems

This boy is born from the same male used in the Deep Chunk x Ohz90 cross. So far so good. This is xy x xy haze

SamS said there will be 25% progeny female and 75% male all firm. From 7 seeds I have tried I found 5 girls and 1 boy so science is lacking research in this field
This girl is a 2 meter beast in 5 liter pot and keep growing. These girls are xy x xy Ohz90 male outcrossed with other males

Another xy x xy Ohz girl

 

[Hammerhead]

I got free packs from Todd when he messed up my order, that was nice of him to do that. I've never grown any. As for herms some of the most popular breeders have them in their fem seeds. It's pretty common to get herms in fems seeds. Reg seeds I can't say the same. I'm sure it happens but far less than what fem seeds produced. I'm sure those that grow haze often can chime in how common herms are in reg seeds., I have no clue.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Honestly I can not help but agree with Hempy, original haze (pure) has never shown indica traits like broad leaves, nor have I ever seen o.haze show hermie traits, just look in the various forums and one of the things that most amazed tropical sativas lovers is the absence of hermie in haze ....
I am not an expert grower, but original haze from JohnnyChicago or MadMac, or ot1haze never gave me problems, I had poor harvests, suffering plants, but nothing more ....I want to be clear: I am not accusing anyone of being a troll, but I have seen many suspicious plants come out of todd seeds ...
Be that as it may, I don't find it a smart move to blame the customer for any hermie, even if it were, it's not a very good business move ....

yep ive never heard of it either ,
its a point sam has made on a few occasions also ,

and mike is correct , even a poorly treated./grown plant wont turn into a hermie unless its already there ...

lastly ,, it is of course possible some seeds have been mixed up and mislabeled ,
this happens more than we know , and it could explain what has occured with mikes seed ,
fair chance todd has churned out a lot of seeds lately , so that increases the chance of a mistake occuring ,
this seems to be the most likely explanation that i can come up with anyhow ...

it does sound like the customer relations offered by todd could use a bit of work..
its a shame you have had a bad experience there mike and you have every right to complain it seems ...

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I remember sam didn't even recognize some of the parent plants tod used as haze.....but tod is just growing what he got from the most legit haze source possible.....what ever work sam has done to preserve the line be gratefully....he has done years of work and gone through a serious amount of plants to get the line out to the people....it it wat it is....

Ive never realy know haze to hermie before tho....and I used to test plants under crazy conditions

I suppose it comes down to this...if you like seedsman haze and expect seedsman haze plants well then source those....if you like tods haze and want plants that look like tods haze well then get those....if you want 90's fdm haze and want plants like that well then source those....what ever you like just get those guys.

 

[@hempy]

Some people are quite happy to use a hermaphrodite as a pollen source for female plants these days not sure how any one can think a male that has developed female parts is not a hermaphrodite.

 

[funkyhorse]

When the only thing you have to pollinate your plants is a hermaphrodite male and you dont have resources to source new seed from that strain, then you probably would think it is worth giving intersex males a try and check what might come up out of it and maybe a surprise or two are waiting around the corner

It is a fucking headache to use this stuff. Much easier to use non intersex genetics but when what has been left as heritage is intersex genetics, there are not many choices left but to start researching into what intersex males can do. Because I found in old genetics plenty of hermies.
And from this old hermie and mutant genetics you have the genepool of today

If you want to get some decent ganja from commercial stock you need to breed it yourself and adapt it to your own environment

Hempy, did you try growing your Thia in your own environment outdoors or in greenhouse at your latitude?
I understood from your descriptions that it is a strain flowering from autumm equinox to spring equinox so I wonder if outside of the tropics outdoors or in a greenhouse without heating it could finnish

 

[...CR500AF...]

I have always was being under the understanding that all cannabis can hermi...

(won't say i can not learn something new though)

 

[@hempy]

When the only thing you have to pollinate your plants is a hermaphrodite male and you dont have resources to source new seed from that strain, then you probably would think it is worth giving intersex males a try and check what might come up out of it and maybe a surprise or two are waiting around the corner

It is a fucking headache to use this stuff. Much easier to use non intersex genetics but when what has been left as heritage is intersex genetics, there are not many choices left but to start researching into what intersex males can do. Because I found in old genetics plenty of hermies.
And from this old hermie and mutant genetics you have the genepool of today

If you want to get some decent ganja from commercial stock you need to breed it yourself and adapt it to your own environment

Hempy, did you try growing your Thia in your own environment outdoors or in greenhouse at your latitude?
I understood from your descriptions that it is a strain flowering from autumm equinox to spring equinox so I wonder if outside of the tropics outdoors or in a greenhouse without heating it could finnish

Hiya Funkyhorse i wouldn't use them mate what i would do if i had no way of getting pollen from a clean male of that line is cross it to an unrelated clean male. I would then go threw them seed and find a male like the mom and back cross to the Mom.

I have not grown this Thai out doors my self here yet the guy that it came from did and has since the 70s.

I have grown plenty of other Thais out doors here and other sativas but you cant do it these days way to risky.

Some sativas express 3 sexs at sexing Male / Herm/ Female that is not as unusual as some think. Males stay male fems stay fem and hermies well you cull.

Any one that has grown lots of different sativa lines would know this Kanga knew this and i am surprised more dont.

 

[LostTribe]

Hi Funkyhorse ! Thanks bro, I appreciate your reply. My case was not like that. I also made seeds with the intersex plants, and the result was this: (They don't even look like haze, I think they are the result of cross pollination, I imagine that he tried to make more crosses at the same time, than he could control.)

None of the 5 girls from my first pack looked anything like that. Quickest was 12 weeks. Longest 16 weeks plus. Cross contaminated pollination can occur.

 

[unnamedmike]

None of the 5 girls from my first pack looked anything like that. Quickest was 12 weeks. Longest 16 weeks plus. Cross contaminated pollination can occur.

from 33 seeds, 6 of them looked like that. Of course, cross contamination can occur, but a little of humility from the breeder could make all this shit easiest, instead blame me for his errors

The father (mother?? ...)

 

[@hempy]

If the seeds were from Shanti or Nevil the tune would be a different song just saying .

 

[unnamedmike]

If the seeds were from Shanti or Nevil the tune would be a different song just saying .

Totally agree with that. Luckily I have more pure hazes lines than I can grow in my little garden (thanks friends)

 

[Tom Hill]

I clarkes mj botany you'll find a drawing of a young thai plant and its likely from sams greenhouse. Thats about as broad as a haze plant can go. Its pretty broad but not as broad as that pic a minute ago.

 

[Tom Hill]

As to intersex i am of the opinion that this idea of true sex is horshit you have strongly male or female plants and lines. Most of the lines in haze are strongly female and this presents itself in high fem ratios and resinous hermie males. These other observations are just weak sauce.

 

[Tom Hill]

You find a line that is 70% female you best take a closer look at those males guys.

 

[Tom Hill]

Can you tell it to me straight? Why is Toms version better than Todd’s? What was special about the posit tonic line? Are you saying it was Thai/haze? And why you wanna go rippin on incense, I love that shit.

Its not mine its sams imo. The posi line was thai heavy. Both sam and i and anybody who knows deems it the height of haze work. I like the mecki/lumbo insence too. I was on a mission to grab seed and try to get samples of it. I already had my haze stock and kept buying incense lol. I am a haze addict. But i am not joking and
Neither was Sam and we both have told you guys many times and you all refuse to hear it. The thai heavy haze, the final incarnation, was by far the best.

 

[Tom Hill]

Now somebody, anybody, pull your heads out search sam haze thai and wake up.

 

[Tom Hill]

Not you hempy we been quiet for decades but for some reason you cant spell thai correctly wtf is thia lol? No wonder you can't find it lol.

 

[Tom Hill]

exactly, and everyone saw the Mexican pheno, the Thai pheno (which they said to be the dominant one), then suddenly it becomes all Colombian, it has always been obvious even if nobody saw it (obviously before it was pure point rojo in different colors, now instead they are different Colombians, incredible as those who for 40 years did not remember anything now even remember the different locations of origin, no comment) ... I'm trying not to comment on the various treads o.haze anymore, but it all seems like a piss to me .....

Here's a guy who actually remembers life