I don't want to enter the discussion between you, but if you allow me, skunk and thai have nothing to do with it ... it's like comparing a wild boar to a modern breed of pig .... Nevil haze 2004 is totally different from Nev. Hz 2017, whatever Shanti says ... but that's another story ....
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I don't want to enter the discussion between you, but if you allow me, skunk and thai have nothing to do with it ... it's like comparing a wild boar to a modern breed of pig .... Nevil haze 2004 is totally different from Nev. Hz 2017, whatever Shanti says ... but that's another story ....
...CR500AF...
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I think what was grown dryed and put up for sale(And how long it took to get it done) made what happened happen, Money always win's every single time...
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This is how I know NH...chocolate-coffe-leather-and some rotten fruits smells.
Taste orangeish/mango incense with catpiss end.
High: super motivated,euphoric smiley rushey,with warm colours and feeling of ballon in your head,HQ cristal clear world image with deepth in every sight. With very deep but positive images of world as a place in your head. High is very long lasting witho no comedown. The more you smoke the higher you will be.
Taste orangeish/mango incense with catpiss end.
High: super motivated,euphoric smiley rushey,with warm colours and feeling of ballon in your head,HQ cristal clear world image with deepth in every sight. With very deep but positive images of world as a place in your head. High is very long lasting witho no comedown. The more you smoke the higher you will be.
TheDarkStorm
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Showing pleanty of ancestral skunk traits .....even has the hermies from them.
anyway heres a different haze type to the earlier bud I shown.......both are pure fire ......those piff types people think are gone or the best of what haze was are far from gone.
You said he did offer you replacement right? He blamed you for hermis? Bro take a look at your plants, please don’t get offended but they don’t look too healthy tbh. I’m not here to defend him, but so far we seen few people growing those seeds and we indeed seen a lot of variation in phenos but no intersex traits...
I am neither the first nor the second to find intersex traits in todd seeds. Likewise, a pure female or male will never show intersex traits no matter how badly you treat him, it is a proven fact, just only tries to inform you more before speaking. I hope you don't take it the wrong way
Intersex boys, as opposed to intersex girls, don't make herm offspring as far as I know, they make offspring with skewed male/female ratios, leaning to higher female numbers. Correct me please if I am wrong..Did you get he/shes or she/he's LOL..And pure haze is only very few generations removed from the landrace ancestors, colombian and thai as far as I know mainly making up the line..as far as the raging debates' current consensus is ?! And although never grown out colombian and thai, what I can tell you is that intersex traits are very common in landrace sativas, most of that I have grown carry them latent. And IME it takes maybe 4 or 5 generations or more to tame that out with selection. I'd take a guess at saying any real old haze would have that latent trait hiding.
And even though parent plants's generation show no intersex, for example when a malawi was crossed to a forum cookies, the progeny all showed major intersex once put into flower and I culled the moms (or mom-dads LOL as they had as much bananas as pistils) and told mates I'd given cuttings to, to do the same. One mate did not listen and put the plants into the ground outside and I am so glad he did as I learn''t something. Neither of the two cuts he had made one banana, at all..the gradually lessening days and natural light is what it wanted. Funny as past post of star crash in the hybrid thread about a haze hybrid, mako or something if I recall, and how it performed and formed up so much bettter under short days and long night cycle light dep much better than under natural light dropping. So maybe the sativas or sativa dominant hybrids that are still quite wild, are way more sensitive to, to them, strange light cycles. Their sativa ancestor lines could come from equatorial lines and sub-tropical or even temperate lines and would or could be used to completely different flowering cycles in their natural environment...as opposed to indicas all coming from around the same sort of latitude around the globe. We could be seeing the stresses from their confusion express out as herm traits??? My speculation there...
Any stress factor could make a latent herm show when in a perfect, for it, environment it may not show. I'm not going to get personal at the state of your grows mike LOL not seen aside from ur recent pics. But any small factor, feed ratios, heat, light, a red LED on a power strip somewhere or aircon etc..could make a plant herm that has the trait latent but otherwise normally behaves..Dont take it personally and not always the breeder..And then breeder concerned, most today are just pollenchuckers, as I've always been as well, and most do not do any testing or stabilising of traits or anything of the sorts and herms are common as cookies lines have it latent from the durban and most stuff is based on cookies these days and thats all crap work on behalf of the thousand next gen "breeders" out there whos stuff is just mixmashes from the same bottlenecked genepool but todd not claiming to offer anything like that, he is offering heritage seed of whose value is it's genetics and the history that that brings and whether a herm takes away from that or not is debatable, as it is what it is..a snapshot back in time in ganja history, and back then herms happened, as they do now..he wasn't the breeder anyway, but the actual maker of the seed is just doing a repro from the old stuff anyway and not claiming to have bred it, if the trait was there and latent in the ancestor lines, then the repro is still accurate and the selection afterwards is up to you. Regarding wide leaves, I've grown many landrace sativas where wider leaf individuals pop up and also sativas that have wider leaves, depends on where in the world it comes from, more south they tend to get wider..equatorial lines very skinny leaves. also most often these wider leaf individuals all look the same as their kin once onto fourth or fifth node or once it has grown up..sometimes they actually lean a bit more indica and that would be that the east indies trade was running a riot with the dutch for the last couple hundred years and indians and their seeds went around the globe already a few times before any of us were even born or any of the world wars. Swazi is a line of african sativa that clearly looks like it has some indian influence from the outside compared to other sativa lines south of it..Genetics, environment, history..lots at play here..
And even though parent plants's generation show no intersex, for example when a malawi was crossed to a forum cookies, the progeny all showed major intersex once put into flower and I culled the moms (or mom-dads LOL as they had as much bananas as pistils) and told mates I'd given cuttings to, to do the same. One mate did not listen and put the plants into the ground outside and I am so glad he did as I learn''t something. Neither of the two cuts he had made one banana, at all..the gradually lessening days and natural light is what it wanted. Funny as past post of star crash in the hybrid thread about a haze hybrid, mako or something if I recall, and how it performed and formed up so much bettter under short days and long night cycle light dep much better than under natural light dropping. So maybe the sativas or sativa dominant hybrids that are still quite wild, are way more sensitive to, to them, strange light cycles. Their sativa ancestor lines could come from equatorial lines and sub-tropical or even temperate lines and would or could be used to completely different flowering cycles in their natural environment...as opposed to indicas all coming from around the same sort of latitude around the globe. We could be seeing the stresses from their confusion express out as herm traits??? My speculation there...
Any stress factor could make a latent herm show when in a perfect, for it, environment it may not show. I'm not going to get personal at the state of your grows mike LOL not seen aside from ur recent pics. But any small factor, feed ratios, heat, light, a red LED on a power strip somewhere or aircon etc..could make a plant herm that has the trait latent but otherwise normally behaves..Dont take it personally and not always the breeder..And then breeder concerned, most today are just pollenchuckers, as I've always been as well, and most do not do any testing or stabilising of traits or anything of the sorts and herms are common as cookies lines have it latent from the durban and most stuff is based on cookies these days and thats all crap work on behalf of the thousand next gen "breeders" out there whos stuff is just mixmashes from the same bottlenecked genepool but todd not claiming to offer anything like that, he is offering heritage seed of whose value is it's genetics and the history that that brings and whether a herm takes away from that or not is debatable, as it is what it is..a snapshot back in time in ganja history, and back then herms happened, as they do now..he wasn't the breeder anyway, but the actual maker of the seed is just doing a repro from the old stuff anyway and not claiming to have bred it, if the trait was there and latent in the ancestor lines, then the repro is still accurate and the selection afterwards is up to you. Regarding wide leaves, I've grown many landrace sativas where wider leaf individuals pop up and also sativas that have wider leaves, depends on where in the world it comes from, more south they tend to get wider..equatorial lines very skinny leaves. also most often these wider leaf individuals all look the same as their kin once onto fourth or fifth node or once it has grown up..sometimes they actually lean a bit more indica and that would be that the east indies trade was running a riot with the dutch for the last couple hundred years and indians and their seeds went around the globe already a few times before any of us were even born or any of the world wars. Swazi is a line of african sativa that clearly looks like it has some indian influence from the outside compared to other sativa lines south of it..Genetics, environment, history..lots at play here..
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Im gonna quote what i already told "a pure female or male will never show intersex traits no matter how badly you treat him, it is a proven fact. If you want i can search for the papers with DOI that probe that. Please, im a little tired to probe my lack of fault in all that soup opera, todd haze seeds produce intersex plants (and indicas ...) and this is due a lack of parentals selection. I can provide you the DOI papers who probe that, just let me some time and im gonna search for this papers, im already really tired for today, too tired. All this trolls are trying to blame me for the todds mistakes (may be all this trolls are todd bots ?)
^^^^this is complete nonsense.
I don’t get offended when my plants look like shit (and they often do) I’m the first one to admit it.
This is nothing more than your most stupid opinion, read a little more before told me some thing like that again, you only make me laugh with your ignorance (It is obvious that you are pressuring me to bann me by a mod, and I see one who is watching closely to do it (the same one who banned dots)
It is obvious that my plants look like shit (your plants look way worst mate... ) I have been fighting with the russet mites for more than a year. But 100% female or male plant, it dosent change the gender, in the same way that I do not if I catch a cold
Actually, I'm thoroughly enjoying the thread!
Banning is sometimes obvious and at other times a judgement call.
.......... keep going!
Honestly I can not help but agree with Hempy, original haze (pure) has never shown indica traits like broad leaves, nor have I ever seen o.haze show hermie traits, just look in the various forums and one of the things that most amazed tropical sativas lovers is the absence of hermie in haze ....
I am not an expert grower, but original haze from JohnnyChicago or MadMac, or ot1haze never gave me problems, I had poor harvests, suffering plants, but nothing more ....I want to be clear: I am not accusing anyone of being a troll, but I have seen many suspicious plants come out of todd seeds ...
Be that as it may, I don't find it a smart move to blame the customer for any hermie, even if it were, it's not a very good business move ....
I am not an expert grower, but original haze from JohnnyChicago or MadMac, or ot1haze never gave me problems, I had poor harvests, suffering plants, but nothing more ....I want to be clear: I am not accusing anyone of being a troll, but I have seen many suspicious plants come out of todd seeds ...
Be that as it may, I don't find it a smart move to blame the customer for any hermie, even if it were, it's not a very good business move ....
...CR500AF...
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For me i see the few pic's of todd's they got a lot more wide leaf then i remember, But that also goes for nev's haze shots then compared to what is shown today a lot wider looking leaf now to, for myself it just something that stick's out like a sore thumb...
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Actually, I'm thoroughly enjoying the thread!
Banning is sometimes obvious and at other times a judgement call.
.......... keep going!
Nice to talk with you mate , but im really tired of todds trolls / lies / shits, Im already made my point
Some friend told me that via pm
"It's either Todd talking shit thru sock puppet accounts or he's sending his little shit minions to attack you and anyone that criticizes him."
"It's either Todd talking shit thru sock puppet accounts or he's sending his little shit minions to attack you and anyone that criticizes him."
left the most broadleaf from the todds haze i have has a leather smell ,, next to a haze hybrid
pheno 7 most typical haze of the bunch imo,, has a metal smell
pheno 3 the broadleaf pheno
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