The Haze discussion thread

[harvestreaper]

Hi Funkyhorse ! Thanks bro, I appreciate your reply. My case was not like that. I also made seeds with the intersex plants, and the result was this: (They don't even look like haze, I think they are the result of cross pollination, I imagine that he tried to make more crosses at the same time, than he could control.)

something wrong there,, you sure you didnt cross polinate yourself? my hazes from todd were as expected maybe a lil wider leaf but overall nice weed no males yet tho so cant comment there one more pack to try so well see

 

[LostTribe]

From reading Rob Clark did the selections for Todd in his Haze reproduction.

I would step on the hermies no matter if they showed up indoors or out the fact that its their alone would warrant their termination.

I heard that but cannot confirm. I will point out that the only other crosses Todd had been selling at the time were all crosses to some of his early Nevils Haze all crossed to elite clones. I wouldn't be surprised if the Haze was actually OH x NH. Just complete speculation though. Todd also listing them at 100% columbian.

 

[@hempy]

No matter who does the original selection, a bad practices making the seeds can shit all the work behind. I found indica leaning in my original haze ... thats a bad joke, a very bad joke. And the guy is an asshole in PM, for him all this is my fault (sorry if this word is too dirty/hard, im spanish and not to much versed with the usa argot) please let me know and i can edit it

I have no respect for Todd Mike so feel free to vent lol.

I dont know much about Todd knew nothing of Todd until he claimed to know Nevil, Before Nevil past i asked him if he knew Todd and was it true he stayed with Nevil at the castle. Nevil told me he had met him once at a event spoke to him for an hour and that was it. So from that point i dont believe a thing he has to say.

 

[@hempy]

I heard that but cannot confirm. I will point out that the only other crosses Todd had been selling at the time were all crosses to some of his early Nevils Haze all crossed to elite clones. I wouldn't be surprised if the Haze was actually OH x NH. Just complete speculation though. Todd also listing them at 100% columbian.

Going by what i read Sam gave Todd the seed and Rob did the selecting of the plants that made the seed Todd is now selling.

I have not even bothered to look at what he is selling a few people have told me its mostly Nevil's lines.

NH dose not herm and Ohaze from all the grows i saw of it being posted years ago never hermied ether so i am not sure what is going on with what people are reporting now.

 

[unnamedmike]

something wrong there,, you sure you didnt cross polinate yourself? my hazes from todd were as expected maybe a lil wider leaf but overall nice weed no males yet tho so cant comment there one more pack to try so well see

Totally sure, i never do more than one cross at time, and i never keep males alive, never. I do my crosses in a sealed room, inside another room, with hepa filters.
They are the parents of my intersexed plant (todd seeds), To you they look like pure hazes ?

And here you can see what i found popping original todd seeds, lots of phenos, some very indica. Not sure if that was a todds mistake o bad practices, but ... 170usd, and a lot of time, flushed to the toilet

 

[LostTribe]

Going by what i read Sam gave Todd the seed and Rob did the selecting of the plants that made the seed Todd is now selling.

I have not even bothered to look at what he is selling a few people have told me its mostly Nevil's lines.

NH dose not herm and Ohaze from all the grows i saw of it being posted years ago never hermied ether so i am not sure what is going on with what people are reporting now.

I ran 5 all turned out girls and no hermis to report. I'd say more variation especially in the aromas. The leaves sort of looked similar to the NH I ran the run before as did some of the denser plants. Definitely some incense going on in Todds and potent and long lasting. Is it 100% OH or is it 6.25% NL5?

 

[harvestreaper]

Totally sure, i never do more than one cross at time, and i never keep males alive, never. I do my crosses in a sealed room, inside another room, with hepa filters.
They are the parents of my intersexed plant



And here you can see what i found popping original todd seeds, lots of phenos, some very indica. Not sure if that was a todds mistake o bad practices, but ... 170usd, and a lot of time, flushed to the toilet

dam thats very strange to say the least ,,ive grown out the og kush x nevs haze from todd they were nice an as expected also ,,i have to little experiance with the range of phenotypes within the pure haze genepools to know if its crossed or not ,, i have seen many haze crosses showing narrower leaves more stereotype sativa but that dont mean much in itself ,,one good thing about todds haze is one pheno i had a kind soul enteted into a comp without me knowing and it won me a pack of oldtimers haze which i can now try ,,that cant be bad ,,, the quest continues good luck

 

[harvestreaper]

I ran 5 all turned out girls and no hermis to report. I'd say more variation especially in the aromas. The leaves sort of looked similar to the NH I ran the run before as did some of the denser plants. Definitely some incense going on in Todds and potent and long lasting. Is it 100% OH or is it 6.25% NL5?

its complicated lol ive never grown nevilles haze but from pics i can see todds could easy pass as a nh x oh cross in appearance one of the phenos i have reminded me instantly of the haze nev used in the originasl haze 5 x ,,,i wonder is it because it the same haze that in nevs crosses via sams stock or is it because its nevs actual haze in the mix lol oh the joy of growing haze from a bunch of sketchy fukers lol

 

[unnamedmike]

dam thats very strange to say the least ,,ive grown out the og kush x nevs haze from todd they were nice an as expected also ,,i have to little experiance with the range of phenotypes within the pure haze genepools to know if its crossed or not ,, i have seen many haze crosses showing narrower leaves more stereotype sativa but that dont mean much in itself ,,one good thing about todds haze is one pheno i had a kind soul enteted into a comp without me knowing and it won me a pack of oldtimers haze which i can now try ,,that cant be bad ,,, the quest continues good luck

Thanks friend, it's nice to debate without anyone personally disqualifying you. I really appreciate it. As a medical user I had high hopes for these seeds, and it was as if they sold me water to cure my depression, I am devastated.
All todd plants gave off aromas similar to the jack herer / nevilles of the late 90s (strange adams in the 90s ...) but obviously they are crosses, haze crosses, but crosses. I don't know if by mistake, or by bad practices, they all seem to be crosses of neville haze, some even of nl / haze, very indica plants. And the problem of intersex traits has made me feed the seeds to the birds in the neighborhood. I do not deny that its seeds give good plants, he got good parents (robert C), but you cannot trust that it is that they do not serve as parents for breeding work, especially due to intersex traits.
Luckily I have several friends who have given me several real haze lines. And of course I will also give them away when I reproduce them. Chain of favours.

Todd ohaze from Todd seeds

 

[Bnyest]

From the beginning Todd is saying there is big variation in OH line he sells phenols form 9-16 weeks. He sells whatever Sam gave him as 3 way Colombian. I’m popping them one at a time due to limited space, finally got my first female . I showed him pics of all the phenos, some looking more some less sativish. He said he was surprised himself by wide range of phenos first time he grew Sams OH. I flowered all the males, no intersex issues.
I never mentioned it before but now after reading about bad costumer service I will say this. After he saw pic of 4th male he offered me free pack of OH and even after I politely refused 10 pack showed up in my mailbox.

ok here’s latest plant from Todd
I had to kill the mother because she got way to big. Cut her down at week 8 in 11/13 still without single pistil in sight. I took cuts and she finally showed in solos. I already repotted her.

 

[Bnyest]

And here’s Original haze f4 Aka Haze 4 dayz from Boneyard seeds according to him it’s Colombian x Thai x kerala

 

[unnamedmike]

From the beginning Todd is saying there is big variation in OH line he sells phenols form 9-16 weeks. He sells whatever Sam gave him as 3 way Colombian. I’m popping them one at a time due to limited space, finally got my first female . I showed him pics of all the phenos, some looking more some less sativish. He said he was surprised himself by wide range of phenos first time he grew Sams OH. I flowered all the males, no intersex issues.
I never mentioned it before but now after reading about bad costumer service I will say this. After he saw pic of 4th male he offered me free pack of OH and even after I politely refused 10 pack showed up in my mailbox.
ok here’s latest plant from Todd
I had to kill the mother because she got way to big. Cut her down at week 8 in 11/13 still without single pistil in sight. I took cuts and she finally showed in solos. I already repotted her.

I have already exposed my "ailments" with todd seeds. It is obvious that you have another batch, and I am happy for you, my case was different, and the customer service of AG seeds was an insult,... He offered me seeds in exchange, but accusing me of his mistakes in a rude way, and obviously I reject them, his seeds are no longer worth anything to me. I wish you the best with your plants My best wishes for you, These are my last words about the seeds of this bad breeder, and worst person. Long live to every one

 

[regseeds]

I have already exposed my "ailments" with todd seeds. It is obvious that you have another batch, and I am happy for you, my case was different, and the customer service of AG seeds was an insult,... He offered me seeds in exchange, but accusing me of his mistakes in a rude way, and obviously I reject them, his seeds are no longer worth anything to me. I wish you the best with your plants My best wishes for you, These are my last words about the seeds of this bad breeder, and worst person. Long live to every one

Todd is not a breeder, I think likely his seeds are coming by the way of a licensing agreement from the BIOArc collection, RCC and Mojave. Contamination during a reproduction could have occurred, it happens more often than we think.

That said I highly doubt Todd would intentionally try to chino you. The search for quality is a arduous task, dust yourself down and move on

 

[@hempy]

20 years ago even 10 years ago if you saw a brad leaf looking plant from a Haze seed you be freaking out there would be mass panic and out rage and hermaphrodites on top they be burning down villages.

How things have changed ha.

 

[regseeds]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat

 

[CannaT]

What a ridiculous discussion,people talk as if Thai or Colombian are all the same.

Half of you here have room temperature intelligence and understanding the facts as a small child.

In Colombia as well as Thailand there are various climate micro systems that give different results even on the same individuals of plants. (cuttings)

to claim that someone knows mexican,thai,colombian cannabis is ridiculous.

forget your boyish intoxications from the 70's,I'm actually sure that someone gave you a plain core cut Amnesia in those years when you were beardless kids. You will think you smoke weed from another world.

This when you see you realize that 90% of the people on this forum have absolutely nothing to do with any knowledge about cannabis.

Most of you are funny bots with some agnedas.

And this Nevile vs Sam.

I don’t want to get into anything before deep between the two of them. But you must know that Sam he himself was the man who conducted research on cannabis worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
While Nevile breed in small house for few years.
Sam was also involved of making Jack Herer seeds you also didn't know that.

And Nevile account on Mr. Nice forums wasnt Nevile at all it was Shanti and his friend and if somebody know Shanti ask him who was it. XD

Funny 600w growers claim to know Thai and all other strains.....Thai,Indian,Mexica n are milions of cultivars and phenotipes and no one know what is Thai.

Expecialy guys who never moved from their places and know what they smoke from dealers words.....

No coment on this Haze masters...who actually never grow Haze ahahhaah funny boiz,funny thread....

 

[@hempy]

And Nevile account on Mr. Nice forums wasnt Nevile at all it was Shanti and his friend and if somebody know Shanti ask him who was it. XD

Funny 600w growers claim to know Thai and all other strains.....Thai,Indian,Mexica n are milions of cultivars and phenotipes and no one know what is Thai.

Expecialy guys who never moved from their places and know what they smoke from dealers words.....

No coment on this Haze masters...who actually never grow Haze ahahhaah funny boiz,funny thread....

I have met and know shanti personally and knew Nevil personally also and some on this forum have also chatted and got to know Nevil threw Skype also you CANNATORIUM dont have a clue of what your posting.

In my part of the world Thai was what Sk1 is to the Dutch i dont want to waste my time responding further you are off your head.

 

[RoyalFlush]

What a ridiculous discussion,people talk as if Thai or Colombian are all the same.

Half of you here have room temperature intelligence and understanding the facts as a small child.

In Colombia as well as Thailand there are various climate micro systems that give different results even on the same individuals of plants. (cuttings)

to claim that someone knows mexican,thai,colombian cannabis is ridiculous.

forget your boyish intoxications from the 70's,I'm actually sure that someone gave you a plain core cut Amnesia in those years when you were beardless kids. You will think you smoke weed from another world.

This when you see you realize that 90% of the people on this forum have absolutely nothing to do with any knowledge about cannabis.

Most of you are funny bots with some agnedas.

And this Nevile vs Sam.

I don’t want to get into anything before deep between the two of them. But you must know that Sam he himself was the man who conducted research on cannabis worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
While Nevile breed in small house for few years.
Sam was also involved of making Jack Herer seeds you also didn't know that.

And Nevile account on Mr. Nice forums wasnt Nevile at all it was Shanti and his friend and if somebody know Shanti ask him who was it. XD

Funny 600w growers claim to know Thai and all other strains.....Thai,Indian,Mexica n are milions of cultivars and phenotipes and no one know what is Thai.

Expecialy guys who never moved from their places and know what they smoke from dealers words.....

No coment on this Haze masters...who actually never grow Haze ahahhaah funny boiz,funny thread....

 

[CannaT]

I have met and know shanti personally and knew Nevil personally also and some on this forum have also chatted and got to know Nevil threw Skype also you CANNATORIUM dont have a clue of what your posting.

In my part of the world Thai was what Sk1 is to the Dutch i dont want to waste my time responding further you are off your head.

Hi,what is skunk 1 i didnt know that every cultivar on thailand is the same, grown from clones nice to know something new. Thx hempy

Skunk 1 blow mind of people when it comes they soon forget thai,lumobs even haze mostly disappear when sk 1 comes to game.

Sk 1 is the biggest succes in cannabis history and it part of most modern strains.

Also there are many phenos in sk1 from ghani to very sativish 13 weekers.....

Your thia exist only in your brain.....

Ok then how you have so much expireince with columbian weed and south american.

No one ever smugled from columbia to Aus ???

Again the more you post the more lies comes out of you.....so funny boy.

Then ask Shanti who was tiping in name of N.

Ask him why Nevile

answered only certain questions and did not answer the more jumpy ones....

Also you say that Shanti have same mothers but seeds are not the same,Shanti say oposite so you or shanti lie again..

Just funny trol..... ;*

 

[unnamedmike]

Todd is not a breeder, I think likely his seeds are coming by the way of a licensing agreement from the BIOArc collection, RCC and Mojave. Contamination during a reproduction could have occurred, it happens more often than we think.
That said I highly doubt Todd would intentionally try to chino you. The search for quality is a arduous task, dust yourself down and move on

I have several emails where Todd blames me for what has come out of his seeds, it is difficult to move forward, without at least letting his potential customers know, that he is not to be trusted, my soul would not be at peace, I would have liked, that someone told me that, Before losing 179usd in seeds + electricity + international shipping