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prptualyGROWing
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ppm issue
ppm issue
Hello this is my first attempt at getting help from a good forum site.
Now, I've been running this garden a long time now, 18k, using botanicare ready gro aeration, hand watering.
So here's my haunting issue for pretty much the entire time I've run this place. Veg, awesome, always nice around 500 ppm. The problem is when I move them into flower, hundreds of times of trial and error I have come up wit this.
The ONLY way I can get buds to form normally, clusters of white hair etc, is to take my ppm down to 400 for the first couple weeks, which causes my leaves to yellow and the plant looks starving for food. Anything even a tiny notch higher than 400 burns the bud sites to the point they are ruined for the duration of flowering period.
After buds have clearly formed around week 3-4 I can start to bump up, but the plant has starved so much it never bounces back completely.
Some more detail, I've run this with over 20 different varieties all with same result. And I have switched nutrient line quite a few times, same problem. This is my first time posting anything anywhere online so I apologize if I have approached the wrong way, but if somebody could help a fellow man out it would be appreciated. Thanks folks.
ppm issue
Hello this is my first attempt at getting help from a good forum site.
Now, I've been running this garden a long time now, 18k, using botanicare ready gro aeration, hand watering.
So here's my haunting issue for pretty much the entire time I've run this place. Veg, awesome, always nice around 500 ppm. The problem is when I move them into flower, hundreds of times of trial and error I have come up wit this.
The ONLY way I can get buds to form normally, clusters of white hair etc, is to take my ppm down to 400 for the first couple weeks, which causes my leaves to yellow and the plant looks starving for food. Anything even a tiny notch higher than 400 burns the bud sites to the point they are ruined for the duration of flowering period.
After buds have clearly formed around week 3-4 I can start to bump up, but the plant has starved so much it never bounces back completely.
Some more detail, I've run this with over 20 different varieties all with same result. And I have switched nutrient line quite a few times, same problem. This is my first time posting anything anywhere online so I apologize if I have approached the wrong way, but if somebody could help a fellow man out it would be appreciated. Thanks folks.
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noyd666
sounds a problem alright, any photos? have you tried the infirmary threads? horror show.
prptualyGROWing
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Ph usually 6.0 never outside of 5.8-6.2
prptualyGROWing
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I've had my blue lab truncheon tested and even replaced it with the newer model. It works fine. Like I said veg is beautiful. Transfer from 1k MH to 1k HPS. This has been haunting me for some time. I've tried everything from simple lucas, to a crazy soup of different brand, I ran ROCK line up, it's always the same.
I water every 3 days just about. What ive been told to try is water everyday with the super low ppm, but my buckets are still wet at this point and I dont want to over water. But it may be worth a try at this point.
I water every 3 days just about. What ive been told to try is water everyday with the super low ppm, but my buckets are still wet at this point and I dont want to over water. But it may be worth a try at this point.
topheavy420
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I grow in 5 gallon bags, advanced nutrients conessuir a/b, voodo, big bud,b-52 and overdrive on canna coco. I don't check pH or ppm, my well water is nuteral and only a bit of dissolved solids(iron).
Easy as hell with superb results. I've tried coco hempies and got reduced yeild.
4 at a time in a 5x5 1000k hps
Easy as hell with superb results. I've tried coco hempies and got reduced yeild.
4 at a time in a 5x5 1000k hps
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Try watering every day with your full strength nute lineup. Maybe take out the additives until you stop having problems, then add them back in one at a time. Regardless of what some people say, pH is important. Not checking it is hit or miss at best and can cause nutrient lockout and your plants will come to a screeching halt. I've been running coco (use good quality coco, some of the cheaper stuff has so much salt in it, you've gotta flush it several times to get it to where a plant won't burn in it)... over the course of the last several years, I've run coco in various manners including just 5 gallon buckets with drain holes to the cloth grow bags. I'm currently running 2 gallon buckets hempy style. It works great.. so simple, so effective. As someone said a couple posts ago.. pics would be great..
mgk
topheavy420
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The reason I don't check my ph is my well water is very close to ro water and advanced nutrients has ph perfect technology. So no need to check...
prptualyGROWing
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Thank you for the replies I was with the family all weekend I'm still trying to figure out how to upload photos as I am new to this. Here it goes. These are photos of ladies in week 3 of flower watered with between 400-500 ppm ph at 6.0 all I'm using at this time is some maxi bloom and a about 2ml calmag per gallon.
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Those plants look pretty normal for 3 weeks into flower.. what kinda lights you using.. what wattage and type? how close are they to the lights? What's your room temp and humidity? 400 to 500 ppm sounds very light to me.. that's what I feed my seedlings.. on adults in full flower, I'm at 1150 or so..
mgk
prptualyGROWing
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Those plants look pretty normal for 3 weeks into flower.. what kinda lights you using.. what wattage and type? how close are they to the lights? What's your room temp and humidity? 400 to 500 ppm sounds very light to me.. that's what I feed my seedlings.. on adults in full flower, I'm at 1150 or so..
mgk
There are no white pistils they burn instantly and the buds do not form correctly later in flower. I'm running 1k HPS and I keep em at least 18 inches from light. 18-24 inches. If I go higher on the ppm the buds fry even worse. Temps do not go above 82 that's on a hot day they are usually between 75-80.
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=Milkmangrower;6985165]i transferred a cut from a friend that was about 6 weeks old from the solo cup filled with rockwool into a new pot of coco. ran 50% diluted lucas formula through coco before transplant and havn't watered since and that was four days ago. I was told that i should wait to see roots through the holes in the pot before watering but it looks very droopy as of 30 min ago when my light turned on. top
of coco is dry but their is some dampness when i push my finger down into the pot. should i just be slowly/carefully watering with the diluted lucas formula at this point?[ quote
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Do not let coco totally dry out, try
dipping the pots into 1.2EC quickly a few times & the roots will go searching
=Milkmangrower;6985165]i transferred a cut from a friend that was about 6 weeks old from the solo cup filled with rockwool into a new pot of coco. ran 50% diluted lucas formula through coco before transplant and havn't watered since and that was four days ago. I was told that i should wait to see roots through the holes in the pot before watering but it looks very droopy as of 30 min ago when my light turned on. top
of coco is dry but their is some dampness when i push my finger down into the pot. should i just be slowly/carefully watering with the diluted lucas formula at this point?[ quote
]Do not let coco totally dry out, try
dipping the pots into 1.2EC quickly a few times & the roots will go searchingTrichome_Jungle
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In my experience feeding coco every day has given me the fastest/best results watering until run off. Here are 2 Trainwreck cuts that were in GH coco, hand fed every day using Dutch gold two part veg and flower, Botanicare cal-mag and GH organics Bio Root. I know its always strain dependent/health of the plant, but i've had the best results feeding every day treating it like any other hydro medium.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=48959&pictureid=1461090
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=48959&pictureid=1461090
I'm a true believer I just finished a 10 plant hand watered white widowxbig bud coco coir and perlite grow that yielded just under 3 lbs. I mixed 80/20 coco/perlite with a hydroton reservoir in 2 gallon hempy buckets and it's gotta be the closest thing to a no brainer way to grow. Like Flapjack978 say's don't treat like soil because if you do you will get soil results. I used coco specific Botanicare CNS 17 grow-bloom-ripe nutes and couldn't be happier with the results. Here are a few pics of my results, bottom line coco rules!
I'm making the switch to coco I got some 20gal smartpots I'm going to amend with vermicompost, perlite and coco. 1 plant per 1kw. I am debating mixing nutrient teas and feeding once daily and feeding ACT once a week. You guys think I can pull similar numbers then the dudes who are running salt based in coco? I am currently running supersoil in 45gal smartpots working great only need watering once a week. I've always thought if it aint broke don't fix it but if I can increase my yield and cut my pot size in half while remaining organic I'm all for it. Any thoughts on this approach?
What would be a proper ratio? I'm thinking 50% coco 30%perlite and 20% vermicompost ewc
What would be a proper ratio? I'm thinking 50% coco 30%perlite and 20% vermicompost ewc
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bonecarver_OG
thanks all for turning this thread to an ongoing project that now has had over 400 000 views! you all are awesome!
i just thought it could be nice to start a thread with tips for growing in coco - but using handwatering and pots..
since im kind of busy i thought this could run on a question and answer basis - also if other growers feel like chipping in with their bit it would be cool.
first of with the do's and dont's:
do check ur PH! - range from 5.8 to 6.1 works really well
do make sure you use nutes specific for coco! - this will give the best results and easy of use.
do make sure you use pots big enough for the watering intervals you want to have. bigger pots means less watering. but more water is needed to flush out properly.
do make sure you have run off when watering. about 20-40% is enough.
do make sure the coco never gets dry - this is a hydro medium. watering often gives better results.
DONT treat coco like a soil grow.
growing in coco gives great results outdoors also. it slightly more expensive than soil growing - but the end results will speak for them selves. huge yields and lots of flavour!
this is plain and simple all you need to know
Tricky .
