the Hand Watering coco thread

[bonecarver_OG]

seeds defiently need more than a week of veg to give good results.

 

[Ras I]

I`ll keep that in mind,tnx : )
Then I can veg them for a week or two in 5 liter pot,and they shouldnt rootbount?

 

[bonecarver_OG]

depends the size of the clone - but a clone thats 20 cm tall shouldnt get root bound - while one twice its size might,....

 

[HIGHGROOVE]

hey community great thread i have a few gdp clones under 600 hps in 3 gallon pots with straight coco im having issues with how much to water each one they were pretty big as clones and they have been in the coco about two weeks how much should i be watering each bucket give or take at this point...and how often im lsot with the watering....im currently using gh 3 part and calmag and diamond nectar....and at what height would be a good idea too flip them to flower im trying to use the 600 to the best of my advantage i dont want to veg them forever and then have them stretch a lot and the lower flowers get no light.....help please thank you

 

[KindHypnos]

Hiya fellow coconutz, have a couple of ladies that are in 2g pots of straight coco.... they've been vegging for an extended period and the ph has started to drift up on me. I can put in a nute solution that is 5.3 and the runoff comes out nearly neutral... anyone have any ideas what would cause this??

I'm about to give them a good flush and see if I can't get them in line again, but was just curious if anyone else has experienced this... thanks....

 

[bonecarver_OG]

5.3 is very low for coco as far as i can see...

coco's natural PH is around 6 so the ph should drift up to that.

also accumulation of salts can affect the ph rate to go up.

flush em and see

 

[bonecarver_OG]

highgroove - we veg plants very BIG and then cut of the under growth where the 600's wont reach too well. actually we cut away from half to 3/4 of the plants depending on moment...

so growing em big is not a problem depending on your head space. if u got the space i recomend it.

read up on pistolwhipped's method - i stand by it..



clicking on the EDEN logo in my signature will bring any interested to OUR eden thread where its possible to check out how handwatered coco buds turn out.

 

[KindHypnos]

5.3 is very low for coco as far as i can see...

coco's natural PH is around 6 so the ph should drift up to that.

also accumulation of salts can affect the ph rate to go up.

flush em and see

Appreciate the reply bonecarver, seems strange to me that it'd be the accumulation of salts considering how I feed. Is there any possibility it could be because they are underfed? I use PBP and feed on the very low side >1000ppm usually in the 700ppm area, where as I've heard of people feeding upwards of 2000ppm.

I to feel 5.3 is too low, it's just that I'd seen a trend of the ph of the runoff steadily going up. I'll be honest my time in coco has been limited, but had been getting very little difference in my input/runoff ph up until now. Normally aim for the 5.8 area, and get around the same back out +/-2.0.

I flushed them, with a very weak nute solution (300ppm) and the ph of the runoff changed very little after twice the amount of solution I normally feed. Brought it down to around 6.4, is this not too high and I'm just over-reacting? Should I ignore my runoff ph??

Thanks.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i have succesfully ignored the run-of ph for many years

since coco has its own ph range, ... not much worries

 

[HIGHGROOVE]

well thanks for the input and ive searched for this mr pistolwhippeds thread cant find it

 

[SuperConductor]

well thanks for the input and ive searched for this mr pistolwhippeds thread cant find it

I think it's on another forum but it's basically lollipopping if I remember correctly. Removing all the lover budsites so that only the terminal bud remains and gets big and fat.

So guys I'm wondering if anyone else feels bad about running to waste? I aim for lots of run-off and keep the ec low so I don't need to flush but this leads to huge amounts of wasted nutes not to mention the damage to the water table.
What I'm trying to ask is does anyone else successfully re-circulate their solution whilst hand watering? Is it simply a case of adding fresh water to run off to bring ec down, ph-ing and using again (which is what I've been doing) or is there anything else I need to know? How long can I recirculate a solution for? My plants are loving it so far but I'm flying blind really so any input appreciated

 

[whitebox]

Hi all coco lovers,

thanx Bonecarver for this thread bro', you inspired me and make me turn to the coco grow, where i stick...!!!

my plants are wonderfull and the flow is a few dayz shorter for the same amount of amber trics on many strain.

i use hesi coco for both grow/bloom period with supervit, superthrive ,bio heaven and hesi pk 13/14 along the flowering with some carboload for the end.

all is nice in my perpetual bloom-tent.

thanx again friends.
.WB.

a BGS in straight coco at 25 dayz flow or so...:

 

[bonecarver_OG]

I think it's on another forum but it's basically lollipopping if I remember correctly. Removing all the lover budsites so that only the terminal bud remains and gets big and fat.

yep thats it

 

[McSnappler]

Been using the coco about a month now, I'm loving it, and the plants seem to be too! Once I've flowered the two I've already got in soil I'll be moving over to coco for everything except outdoor experiments!

 

[Mufflon]

Heres a picture of my hand watered Sweet n Sour Diesel Cut.

 

[N-P-Kali]

I like the fact this thread is still going strong!

Bonecarver - what is your opinion on the Canna bio-line ferts vega, flores, and boost?

 

[bonecarver_OG]

we did try the bio-boost in an outdoor grow, but we have not tried it enough to really say if it made a difference or not. with the hefty price its carrying.. dont think i will try again.

the other bio ferts i havent tried, but i think they are for SOIL growing in any case and not too effective in coco. well i guess maybe the nutes should work.. but i havent tried it.

just go with the canna coco AB if you can. it works well

peace

 

[N-P-Kali]

Copy that Bonecarver. Im using a 3-part nutrient solution. I started with a 100% organic compost tea that worked well for the early stages of veg, however as they progressed the organic compost tea seemed to be falling short with micros ( fe, cu, mo, mn) so i made the change to a synthetic base nutrient.

I try to keep my feeding schedule as organic as possible, in coco, but i have had some issues with deficiencies when i go 100% organic.

 

[McSnappler]

I let a batch of seedlings, at the second set of true leaves, go a day too long without watering. They seemed fine still, but I made sure the next watering was a good flush through to clear any salt buildup, and was with plain RO water.

12 hours later, they're now showing symptoms of overwatering. Is this a normal response when I've been an idiot with feeding intervals?

edit: kind of answered my own question, in a way, from re-reading parts of this thread. Should have flushed out the salt buildup with weak nutes rather than plain water, as it helps built up salts dissolve.

 

[onegreenday]

I handwater several strains and different phase plants each watering...and I don't have enough plant numbers to justify seperate mixes (batches of nutrient)

What I now do is:
1. start with 2 gal of source water
2. add additives
3. adjust PH

>Next I add nutrient to reach desired EC for the smallest plants to be fed....(in my case two mental Floss seedlings currently).....

>After feeding the babies...I add nutrient to reach level for next set of plants to be fed at next higher EC (1.0 currently for me).....then I top off with source water if needed (no need this recent feeding)....adjusting PH....then hitting my 1.6EC target for my more mature ladies....

This system beats mixing 1/2gal just for two seedlings that only need a cup of nutrient for the two of them....rather than mixing seperately...I prefer this method...

For larger gardens (more plants at various stages) this is probably not beneficial...but for me this works well.....

peace

another way to do it is to just make your full strength nutrients
and water it down for the babies.