The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Shcrews]

Who's getting ready for light dep already? I know I am these hot drought days excite me as much as they worry me. Filling water bags whenever I get free time.

I'm planning a coco light dep, thinking a hillside full of half-pounders, probably start veggin clones in march, start pulling tarp on May 1st or so.. plenty of water up here. Kinda also considering running 3 consecutive light-dep cycles alongside my full-season crop. THe last one would finish around thanksgiving i think

 

[Shcrews]

1/2lb is a good sized plant to shoot for in a light dep . Tricky dialing in the wet and dry cycles with coco outdoors .What size pots u gonna use ?

planning to veg my clones march-april in 3gal pots in flood trays , then into 15gal smarties once they go outside for light-dep in may.

Handwater every other day until the roots get established, then every morning. I did something similar last fall with 100 7gal pots of coco and pulled 4-8oz per plant with minimal effort. I figure 15gal coco smarties should yield 8-16oz per plant by july with proper veg time. All that coco wont be cheap but at least i can re-use it

 

[Shcrews]

yah thanks! maybe i will cut the veg time down a bit. I already had a visit from the local sheriff a couple weeks ago, in his words "i dont really give a shit what you're growing", but he also said the county limit is currently 99 per resident/patient and they might come back to count plants later on this year so i will probably try to keep it under 300 total just in case.

 

[cannascholar]

I'm tempted to go with a coco light dep as well after using it for my starts this year. Either feeding canna nutes or biobizz and amending the coco a bit.

OR may go with vermi fire. Doing a little R&D indoors currently.

Last year did my deps with promix and others with earth worm soil fed with heavy 16. The organic soil produced very healthy plants but didn't allow for much of a flush so I'm a bit hesitant to use the vermifire for dep. Is my 30 yards of Earth worm soil no good if I want a fair shot at organics since I ran so much chem nutes through it?

Also how do you guys go about pulling tarp in the rain? I used 6 mil poly last year with 3 ropes tied to one side for a 20 foot wide gh. My worker presented me with the idea of using a long pvc pipe and clamping the plastic to the pipe so that the wet dep tarp can be pulled more evenly and easier. Last year rain included unwanted steps such as leaf blowing the water off because the pulling got so tough. Hoping this method and possibly the spendy 12 mil tarp will allow the task to be a one man op in the worst weather.

 

[hydrotek]

Amazing inspirational outdoor grow......reminds of old OG grower can't quite remember his name Reaper? Maybe not ....but Tom Hill is an old school respected name like the krusty bucket thread on OG...

Amazing memories....

 

[growercalifas]

amazing this tread

 

[Backyard Farmer]

If you just fold the tarp up neat when you pull it off instead of just flopping it off water build up isn't an issue.

 

[25ftGreatWhite]

blue berry what was the sq ft footprint required to yield the 48lbs?
anyone using 730nm lights for dep'ing instead of tarping?

 

[Sir D]

So does anyone know of what materials Dave's soil is made up of? I'm gonna use the Hanson brothers again with my own tweaks. They use castings, compost, lava rock, pumice, perlite(which I won't be adding), peat and redwood in there which I understand could be good for fungal food, any thoughts on the redwood?
I've got access this year to some horse manure and it looks great! Just looks like composted hay which has to be all good! I'm not sure how much to add per yard and might follow that receipt of revs that organic posted. I'd like to go all out with the biology but I prefer to build the battery.

organic- do you think there would be much difference in switching out cow for horse manure?

Wish I could be running some of Ganjas seeds this year but he seems to be MIA.

Mounds people mounds! Just my two cents worth but the nice loose soil sits on top of the clay so when it fills up and gets too wet it just runs off verses making trenches where it would just be trapped in the clay trench. No?

 

[bamboogardner]

Hope I am not venturing off topic. Clones -v- Seed. Hotly debated topic. Any difference in the yield in large 200+ container? Of course the cons of the clones are early flowering, but that is a different topic that can be remedied with supplemental lighting. Peeps are saying that the tap root of seed wont be getting much if any oxygen after 3 ft down or so anyway.

Anyone have actual experience in this area?

 

[GreenHands13]

The question becomes if you are relying 80% on foliars...are you ready to feed foliars through flower? The single biggest issue is getting Ca into.if it ain't in the soil are you going to feed it all the way through.

imo, get everything in the soil and foliar feed in veg to increase the plant energy...so it then feeds the soil sugars, which then takes you home.

I agree plants definitely absorb lots of nutes through their stomata but the life source of a plant is its root zone. Imo foliar are great but if you have nutrient rich soil foliar isn't necessary. I stopped doing all foliar feeding I spray fresh water to wash dust off but I strongly believe in the build your plant from the ground up theory. get those traces and ultra traces in your soil as well as macro and micro nutes and let the plant do what it naturally does.

 

[Madjag]

Milky I was talkin to organic buds he said he needed more p and k

We are on the same page it's all bout the soil

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I'll be ordering soon. It saves me from having to buy all of those ingredients separately and mixing them myself. These guys are Soil Physicians and Fertilzer Magicians. I'll be getting their friend's book as well:

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[OrganicBuds]

organic- do you think there would be much difference in switching out cow for horse manure?

Wish I could be running some of Ganjas seeds this year but he seems to be MIA.

Cow and horse manure composted can have very similar N-P-K ratio's and organic matter. Should switch out just fine, however there are a lot of variables. This is the compost I use, but I can't find a N-P-K rating anywhere. http://malibucompost.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=60

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Hope I am not venturing off topic. Clones -v- Seed. Hotly debated topic. Any difference in the yield in large 200+ container? Of course the cons of the clones are early flowering, but that is a different topic that can be remedied with supplemental lighting. Peeps are saying that the tap root of seed wont be getting much if any oxygen after 3 ft down or so anyway.

Anyone have actual experience in this area?

We are doing all seeds in 2014...Seed vigor FTW!! I'll do a couple clones, but mostly for head stash.

 

[OrganicBuds]

Care to share what breeders? Genetics?

I think I might stick with GanjaRebel again this year.

 

[Sir D]

Cow and horse manure composted can have very similar N-P-K ratio's and organic matter. Should switch out just fine, however there are a lot of variables. This is the compost I use, but I can't find a N-P-K rating anywhere. http://malibucompost.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=60

Yeah that looks like nice stuff a bunch of other goodies too.

I'm running some Mosca Seeds(train wreck, bubba kush and they sent me the grapefruit x swt#3 tester. I also got some bogglegum and big Buddha cheese to try out. I really wanted to try some of Ganja Rebel seeds but can't find any and he hasn't updated any info if they're coming this year. What strains do you have Organic? I really wanted to try the double Sour og but not this year I guess.

 

[NorCalDreaming]

We are doing all seeds in 2014...Seed vigor FTW!!

With good selection should be awesome!

 

[Sir D]

Cow and horse manure composted can have very similar N-P-K ratio's and organic matter. Should switch out just fine, however there are a lot of variables. This is the compost I use, but I can't find a N-P-K rating anywhere. http://malibucompost.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=60

Yeah that looks like nice stuff a bunch of other goodies too.

I'm running some Mosca Seeds(train wreck, bubba kush and they sent me the grapefruit x swt#3 tester. I also got some bogglegum and big Buddha cheese to try out. I really wanted to try some of Ganja Rebel seeds but can't find any and he hasn't updated any info if they're coming this year. What strains do you have Organic? I really wanted to try the double Sour og but not this year I guess.

 

[Sir D]

Cow and horse manure composted can have very similar N-P-K ratio's and organic matter. Should switch out just fine, however there are a lot of variables. This is the compost I use, but I can't find a N-P-K rating anywhere. http://malibucompost.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=60

Yeah that looks like nice stuff a bunch of other goodies too.

I'm running some Mosca Seeds(train wreck, bubba kush and they sent me the grapefruit x swt#3 tester. I also got some bogglegum and big Buddha cheese to try out. I really wanted to try some of Ganja Rebel seeds but can't find any and he hasn't updated any info if they're coming this year. What strains do you have Organic? I really wanted to try the double Sour og but not this year I guess.

 

[bamboogardner]

We are doing all seeds in 2014...Seed vigor FTW!! I'll do a couple clones, but mostly for head stash.

Hey Backyard. Have you seen a significant difference between the seeds and clones in yield? The hotly debated topic goes on regarding seeds -v- clones. I have done seeds in the past, and then clones, but I have never done a side by side comparison. If you have please chime in. It's a bitch finding good seeds around here, and then you have several different pheno's. Tom Hill, Ganga Rebel, and Prof P seeds are all but dried up.