The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Mountain]

Again, just trying to recombine a product with which I have had awesome results. Not really trying to analyze it to death. Just trying to find all the listed ingredients so I can whip up a batch. In a perfect world, there will be no substitutions.

To KISS Azomite is not the replacement you're looking for IMO. If there's enough demand by the community for a Brix Mix type product I can put you in touch with a contract manufacturer who can create something as good if not better and supply it cheap in bulk to the Cali market.

You use fulvic in your foliar? BioAg's Ful-Power Humic can't be beat. Not a humic product really. I sat with Dr. Faust and chatted about it. It's not just the fulvic component, which among other things helps open stomata, but also things in there like metal ions. Would juice up any foliar formula you create.

 

[Eatatjoes]

I just realized that this thread is in Tom Hill's forum. Thanks Mr. Hill, for letting us have this place to share.
Who's got some of Tom Hill's genetics in play this year? I'd love to see some outdoor haze.

 

[nomaad]

That seems very complicated compared to just mixing up a batch from the original recipe and sharing it with all my friends. If I can't find Phytomin and fertall, I'll probably sub in the Biolink, which I have used in the past to good result, with or without the added micronutes as needed. It would be nice to use the last known recipe exactly, because I am currently using that batch and have been real happy with it thus far.

I looked at that Bio-Ag site. Their products look pretty expensive. 65$ per gallon for the ful-power fulvic. I have my veg feed regimen costing pennies a day with Brix Mix. The humic acid product in the recipe is $16.99 per gallon. I'm not gainst adding fulvic acid to the mix, but if its going to double the cost of the Mix... just doesn;t seem worth it.

Why fix something that ain't broke? I'm going to make a huge batch and share it with all my friends.

I might make a couple of slight modifications (like the fulvic acid) and use it on a zone to compare results, but the majority of the garden will be getting as close to the original recipe as I can hit.

So... fertall source anyone? Growmore does not have a phone number on their website contact page.


What has me more worried than anything is the reuse of soil. I got a basic NPK testing kit and will send out soil samples on monday, high priority. I worry about getting the amending right. I worry about residual pathogens from last year.

 

[nomaad]

I just realized that this thread is in Tom Hill's forum. Thanks Mr. Hill, for letting us have this place to share.
Who's got some of Tom Hill's genetics in play this year? I'd love to see some outdoor haze.

I've got a Deep chunk cross in the Chunky Cherry Malawi. Thanks, Mr Hill. ;P

 

[YosemiteSam]

I thought Peaceful Valley carried Fertall, albeit like in 50 lb batches. But if you are going to make a big batch.

I have that Chunky Cherry Malawi indoors from seed. Slightly less than 3 weeks in and it is stacking bud like mad...I hope she is a good smoke cause it sure looks like a good plant to grow.

You might google Fertall and find a site/phone number. I bet they would tell you who sells their stuff.

 

[nomaad]

Oh yes. The CCM is lovely smoke. I think its capable of great flavor, though the sample i had was a little dry and the flavor was hard to tell.... but the high was excellent. I am running it from seed as well. I think I cracked 30 of them... waiting for them to sex. I might put them back inside at 12/12 if they haven;t sexed by the time I move everything out to the greenhouse.

Growmore lists no phone number and has not answered emails for 48 hrs. The link to the product at PVGS is dead or its out of stock (no restock date as is the norm with PVGS unless they are not carrying something anymore) ...

 

[localhero]

this is the fone number for growmore according to google maps> gardena ca where they have their comapny address posted on thier site. (310) 515-1700

 

[Mountain]

That seems very complicated compared to just mixing up a batch from the original recipe and sharing it with all my friends.

Honestly never looked at the Brix Mix and yes can now see that's a potentially complicated option. Still instead of any custom soil formula got someone that can create a custom nute formula.

I'm not a 'if it's not broken don't fix it' kind of guy but more of a 'there's always a better mousetrap' type.

If Humax is made via the conventional acid/alkali extraction method it's crap IMO. What method are they using to analyze...'Standard', CDFA or IHSS? You get what you pay for. Fulvic acid is not humic acid. FA is great in foliars as I've mentioned and humic good for things like CO2 processing and carbohydrate production among others. BioAg's humic is for sure better than Humax and does not use the acid/alkali method...that's bad.

That CCM sample you got was grown in the ground in basic manure based bagged soil with some greensand/soft rock phosphate/non nutritive stuff mixed in and fed a few teas with SC added. No foliars, no top dressings, no bottle feeding, etc. I'm sure with your program it will shine much better.

 

[Trinity Gold]

Butte Creek - Oxidate is $100 for 2.5 gallons. It will last you a LONG time and is very inexpensive compared to other options.

You could fill up a trash can and dunk the plants...That is what I would do any way... Mountain - I have used BioAgs HumiSolve and Ful power..The Ful Power is just HumiSolve and a weak weak dilution rate IMO. Both are good products but side by side in trials Humax and Humisolve both perform the same and the Humax doesn't need an extra step.

 

[Mountain]

According to BioAg FulPower is made by slow cold bacterial fermentation and HumiSolve is made by electrolysis...at least that's what Dr. Faust told me to my face. BioAg guarantees about 250 PPM of FA in FulPower. Don't know why someone like National Garden Wholesale would pay up big for the rights to distribute FulPower if simply a dilute HumiSolve? I don't know how JH Biotech can compete with the Chinese companies. Heck even the peeps behind Bountea switched to Chinese made HA extracts cause only 1/10 the cost. At least that's what I was told when I visited but that may be a side business they got going.

Part of the FA testing issue is no recognized testing methodology except for maybe the IHSS method. Believe BioAg was relying on the XAD resin column method but that's now DAX instead? A & L Western Labs does not recognize any FA tests and will only test for HA to the 'standard' and CDFA methods. There's some industry peeps working on acceptable methods for humic/fulvic analysis and close to getting it ready to present to the industry and BioAg is not involved.

Anyway...don't know what side-by-side testing you're talking about. I do know of some field trials, unpublished, comparing typical HA extracts against a specially processed whole humic product and the whole product outperformed by many times. For foliar it works good and you only need 4-8 oz per acre per year...problem is you get some discoloration and not good for table crops. Better used in the soil though. A & L said it had the highest HA content of anything they'd ever tested.

Sounds like you guys are gonna have a great summer. Have fun!

 

[Mountain]

Looked at JH Biotech stuff a bit more and FWIW think their Fulmax product would be better, or at least should be included, in any foliar formula compared to Humax.

Typical application rates range from 1-2 pints per acre diluted in at least 10 gallons of water for foliar sprays. Soil application rates range from 1-2 quarts per acre and can be applied through drip, microsprinklers and most other irrigation methods.

Still think it's better in foliar applications. At least they got the color of the product right...lol. I dunno about their 3% concentration claim thing though since no industry accepted method yet available. That's one of the reasons companies cannot make label claims for fulvic acid in Cali but can for humic acid. If you notice Fulmax is not available for sale in Cali

 

[Trinity Gold]

My side by side trials were in my garden where on half I dissolved HumiSolve and used that and the other half I used Humax 5 mL per gallon...Pretty much the same On the Tom Hill genetics tip...I got some Catpiss X X18 I'm doing this year.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Does anyone use Hydrogen or Calcium peroxide to temporarily up the oxygen content of their fertigation water? And if you do, do you control to a certain ORP?

 

[nomaad]

I use it in my H2O2 for that purpose in my brix mix foliar applications.

 

[DoobieDuck]

Nomaads Clones

Nomaads Clones

Here is a recent image of Nomaad planting his clones...he has a good start on everyone else, Cheers, DD

 

[nomaad]

LOL. That made my day, DD. thanks.

 

[HorseMouth]

I think I have that Homie in the pic representing Mr.Nomaad.

Always loved the way he only buttoned that top spot, chicano style.

Peace

 

[Kangativa]

I just realized that this thread is in Tom Hill's forum. Thanks Mr. Hill, for letting us have this place to share.
Who's got some of Tom Hill's genetics in play this year? I'd love to see some outdoor haze.

I have some X18 that I have been playing with in a few crosses and I have some of Toms Haze that I will put in next season to see how it stacks up against this Nev haze and this Mullumbimby Madness, both of which I have clones from.

Good growing everyone......hope this gets those cojones warmed up

 

[guest8905]

nice pic doobie and kangativa


doobie u made nomaad look like a socal l.a. dude lol thats a image ill never forget


tg that catpiss x 18 sounds boooomb

hope all are working hard and getting some nice sun,

lots of digging and ammending for stickky these days. Lots of transplating and such. back is sore and mi back is red mon! luckily my eyes are red as well as im smoking some indoor cracker jack (gc x jh) and its the str8 fire!!!!!!!!

have fun all, its a funny time of year, some are nervous and some are chillin...i will say that ppppp, so if ur on top of stuff ur chillin hahah...yeah many blessing all the time and to the haters keep on hating!! ahahahahahahahaha

 

[Eatatjoes]

I have some X18 that I have been playing with in a few crosses and I have some of Toms Haze that I will put in next season to see how it stacks up against this Nev haze and this Mullumbimby Madness, both of which I have clones from.

The best hazes from three continents, I'll be watching for that.
Those sativa trees look like real good yielding plants, hows the Thai plants coming along?