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The 2020 Presidential Election

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Hempy McNoodle

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chanting death to america doesn't justify war crimes and doing an act of war/assassinations without congressional approval lol.

iran also specifically stated they mean death to the US ruling class, in which case i agree 100%.

Just curious if you would feel the same way if Putin said the same thing?
 

Cannavore

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I hear the Senate agrees whole heartedly :tiphat:


:laughing:

Guy #1 - "Iraq has WMD's we need to go in there and take out Saddam"

Guy #2 - "There's no hard proof Saddam has WMD's. In fact, independent agencies say he does not"

Guy #1 - "Prove that he doesn't"



do you not realize how retarded and illogical this argument is?
 

bigtacofarmer

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A contractor is someone who is working for a contract.

A civilian isn't the same thing.

We killed literally tons of civilians.

If Trump was obliterated in an airstrike the entire right would froth at the mouth for war.


Wonder if that $80 million bounty would buy them enough cheeseburgers and cheap beer to shut them up?
 

'Boogieman'

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chanting death to america doesn't justify war crimes and doing an act of war/assassinations without congressional approval lol.

iran also specifically stated they mean death to the US ruling class, in which case i agree 100%.

Yeah, your upset over whatever (doesn't really matter). Trump doesn't need Congress to fire back in this situation either but we both already know that.
 

Cannavore

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Yeah, your upset over whatever (doesn't really matter). Trump doesn't need Congress to fire back in this situation either but we both already know that.

the president does not have unilateral discretion to drop bombs on whoever he or she feels like. that is literally a violation of international law and a war crime.

all the justification to attack iran has been fabricated lies with no proof. there's no proof Solemani was even this big time terrorist murderer like you and packer keep saying lol.

wake up sheeple lol
 

Hempy McNoodle

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You can't prove a negative.

Yes, one can. For example, if someone is charged with a crime that they did not commit and they put up a good legal defense. They may prove their innocence. It happens all the time. Of course they are supposed to be presumed innocent, but I think many jurrors presume guilt instead, unfortunately.
 
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xavier7995

They aren't proving their innocence though. The state is failing to prove guilt. It's that "beyond a reasonable doubt" part of law. In theory, the state needs to show beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty, if that potential doubt is there then they are supposed to get off. Of course that doesnt work in practice and lots of innocent people go to jail, but theoretically it should help protect against that.
 

'Boogieman'

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the president does not have unilateral discretion to drop bombs on whoever he or she feels like. that is literally a violation of international law and a war crime.

all the justification to attack iran has been fabricated lies with no proof. there's no proof Solemani was even this big time terrorist murderer like you and packer keep saying lol.

wake up sheeple lol

When attacked Trump has the right to fire back without Congress. look into it, that's why Nancy Pelosi is trying to pass a bill right now to stop it. I will wait and see what our intelligence agencies have to say but your not going to convince me of anything.
 
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Capra ibex

When attacked Trump has the right to fire back without Congress. look into it, that's why Nancy Pelosi is trying to pass a bill right now to stop it. I will wait and see what our intelligence agencies have to say but your not going to convince me of anything.

So the 'deep state' is all good now?
 

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I saw a news clip of a guy with a bullhorn revving up a crowd saying "Death to the Orange Demon" and couldn't help thinking - Oh ok..
 

Hempy McNoodle

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They aren't proving their innocence though. The state is failing to prove guilt. It's that "beyond a reasonable doubt" part of law. In theory, the state needs to show beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty, if that potential doubt is there then they are supposed to get off. Of course that doesnt work in practice and lots of innocent people go to jail, but theoretically it should help protect against that.

I agree with you that war should have justification. Unfortunately, with the war on terror and the use of force authorization for the 9/11 wars means that any POTUS has a green light to do pretty much anything. As far as evidence for 'Salami,' it is probably only going to be shown to senate and house intel folk and not with the public, at least for a while. But, it is already acknowledged by all sides that he was a justifiable target except that it could trigger a negative reaction by Iran.
 

h.h.

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20 casualties.
Irans Republican guard taking credit.


That was a foolish move. Its on now.


Things will get ugly in Iran real quick. Hopefully Iranian civilians don't get caught in a crossfire.


I could see tRump hitting them real hard today. Military bases there. are no place you would want to be anywhere near. Refineries and munition storage areas will get it too.


It would be great if the Iranian people could lose the religious government, and get a democracy
I saw 20, but it was unconfirmed.
 

Cannavore

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When attacked Trump has the right to fire back without Congress.
We weren't attacked though. Unless you consider Iraq a part of the US now.

Also this is just incorrect. You need congressional approval.

look into it, that's why Nancy Pelosi is trying to pass a bill right now to stop it.
good

I will wait and see what our intelligence agencies have to say but your not going to convince me of anything.

the same intelligence agencies that are the deep state who have been working against Trump this entire time?

the same intelligence agencies that said Saddam had WMD's, that Syria was gassing it's own people, those intelligence agencies?


lol!
 
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