The 2020 Presidential Election

[Microbeman]

well ok but the 55b that was imposed by the courts to iran for payments to the families was never paid
2 b was for ransoms for 4 of our people they freed but the then administration said it was for arms we sold them in the 70' which is bs they pulled over the country's eyes
all was a non sanctioned late night deal


funny if they took your house cars and money for an illegal grow you would never get it back guilty or not in most states.
it was not ok for Obama to do this and he caught shit from the u.n for it but you don't hear that just "oh it was their money"from the fake fact checkers
even when the dems fact check its bull shit.


most here are too young to be traumatized by the hostages and the cowardly murders of 300 troops in Lebanon yeah only 3 news stations back then that reported the news there was not "sides" back then
it was all for one
not the opinionated crap of today


they have been chanting death to America for 5 decades

You will need to articulate much more clearly for me to understand what you are talking about. The money I am talking about was seized during the sanctions imposed upon Iran.

I do realize that there has been great evil committed by Iran and other countries in the region. However for America to criticize these acts she must consider the horrible evil she has imposed upon people throughout the world and within her own borders; much of it in the name of Christianity and freedom.

 

[Microbeman]

Obama was thirsty for a deal, that's the only reason Iran received pallets of cash. The lefties will always suck Obama's cock, never would they admit that giving a terrorist nation billions is a bad idea.

Boogie; This is factually inaccurate. Try a little digging on what this money represented. The line you give originated with Rep talking heads.

 

[Microbeman]

Iran isn't a terrorist nation lol. Even if they were, we give the Saudis money all the time and they're the leading sponsor of Islamic terrorism in the world.

And that actually is tax payers money.

 

[Microbeman]

Thanks for showing me you don't know what the fuck your talking about, you know why Saudia Arabia gets money. When is the last time Saudia Arabia bombed US troops? You know damn well the Saudis involved in 911 were trained by a terrorist organization in Afghanistan.

At least that is what you were told.

 

[Microbeman]

Well Trump has driven you guys so fucking insane that you are literally angry that the most prolific terrorist in the world was killed.

Thanks for exposing what you have always been, anti-American scum. You are free to go to Iran and join forces with them. You deserve everything you have coming.

Right on cue. The thread was lacking some fabricated impositions and name calling.

 

[Microbeman]

Their basically idiots with a college degree. We have a decent relationship with Saudia Arabia, meanwhile Iran recently hit a us embassy, threatens us non stop, and chants death to America. But but but the Saudis lol.

'they're' not their - just a college drop out with a good education who knows how to read and think.

 

['Boogieman']

At least that is what you were told.

One day they are shaming you for not believing in our intelligence agencies, the next day this, lol.

 

['Boogieman']

'they're' not their - just a college drop out with a good education who knows how to read and think.

I noticed you didn't attack the substance, because you know I'm right...

 

['Boogieman']

Boogie; This is factually inaccurate. Try a little digging on what this money represented. The line you give originated with Rep talking heads.

Your not going to convince me that giving a terrorist nation who hates the United States billions of dollars is a good idea period, only those who want the United States to burn think it was a solid move.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Your not going to convince me that giving a terrorist nation who hates the United States billions of dollars is a good idea period, only those who want the United States to burn think it was a solid move.

I know it's asking for a bit of redundancy but do you actually believe that Obama wants the US to burn?

 

[White Beard]

Honestly - I very much doubt that Iran was keeping to the conditions of the treaty exactly - from their point of view they are about to be invaded/vaporized - and have been under that threat for years - so anything they can put up in retaliation they will try their hardest to do so - and any time they get to do it is precious - even if it means playing for time by signing meaningless treaties -

- and I agree - what we need here is a miracle of diplomacy - or this tinder-box will light the powder-keg - and BOOM!

I think a miracle of accountability would be more productive. We’ve been deliberate assholes on the world stage for too long to get anywhere by pretending we haven’t been and expecting others to ignore it for us..

This won’t be a popular point of view, but other than “conservative” speculation, I’ve seen no reason to even suspect they were playing games with the terms of the treaty.

People seem to forget that if we include *ALL* the favorite wrong-wing talking points, were left with the fact that the USA has seriously shit on Iran numerous times since WE overthrew the elected prime minister, Mossadegh, in 1953 - and that was a real big one. We not only threw down their elected government, but we gave them the fukken Shah again.... Iran was OUR GUY as long as Pahlavi was in power, but Khomeini and the student revolution and THIRTY YEARS of pent-up anger at the US stopped that.

For all that, Iran and Iranians are more like us than we clearly want to believe - in the same exact way that people are people everywhere. We were assholes about resolving that, and we’ve been assholes about everything ever since.

Droning Soleimani is our single biggest asshole move since the ‘53 coup. Before this, our biggest asshole move regarding Iran was Trump’s unilateral withdrawal from an agreement Iran wanted and worked hard to get and his reimposition of sanctions.

And of course, the regime’s belligerent walk and talk in general supports the whole fuck-you policy we have toward Iran.

OK - so do you believe that the west should have no fear of the Islamic world at all - and there is nothing there to ever worry about or even be aware of?

Is this really about the modern western ideology of universal emancipation and equality/human rights clashing with a medieval patriarchal, misogynistic, sexist, homophobic totalitarian eastern religious ideology? - or is it just about oil/land and political posturing, machismo etc?

For myself, I see no more point in being ‘afraid’ of Islam than in being ‘afraid’ of Judaism. Christianity has dominated society in the US for my whole life (tho many evangelicals will indignantly disagree), I have suffered far more from it, I see it as a clear and present danger for anyone who does not want to be overseen by someone else’s “moral authority”.

Therefore, *much* more concerned about Mosaic law being imposed here. Sharia law wouldn’t stand a chance.

Viewed another way, like with ogres, there are layers.

On one level, it is and has been about control of oil by “the right people” for both sides. On another level, it *IS* about a secular and plural society with a secular legal system vs a religious monoculture with rules that do not derive from the consent of the governed. But we have that without bringing up Islam at all. Maybe dealing with the crazies in-hand will help us with those a looong way off.

Ahhh - I am aware of it - and after a little research came up with this:

'' About "Islamophobia"
Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fohb) - A non-Muslim who knows more about Islam than they are supposed to know.

"(Deleted for length)''

*Is that what you meant when you accused me of Islamophobia -being obsessed - being scared and in fear of it etc?

Not an accuser, and won’t argue that any more than I will the Protocols, nor anything else in which a clearly-biased group pretends to inform me of the shortcomings of their targets.

In my eyes they’re on a par, but the extreme bias in that ‘definition’ makes my eyes burn. Never seen a more transparent fuck-you pretend to be a definition. No reflection on you in any way, just reading it and trying to capture the POV. It sounds like what I’d expect if I asked a person strongly anti-Islam to define ‘islamophobe’, or the sort of tone and accuracy a strongly-Trump-supporting person would use in defining ‘liberal’.

Not a phobist, myself

Isn't being a believer of any of the Abrahamic religions tantamount to being a supremacist? - or indeed many other cults/religions - since they all purport to believe in 'the true god' - and anyone who does not, is not one of 'The Chosen' - and is denigrated to being called disbelievers/heretics/apostates who throughout history have all been put to death - tortured, en-slaved and hunted - because they are not one of 'The People of God' or 'The Chosen People' -

- basically - its a load of bollocks - but naturally something to be aware of -

You’re quite right on this: the whole concept of “God’s People” has become part of the bedrock of xenophobia, of superiority, of class - and I do see I’m implicating Hindu religious culture there as well. Very possibly others (Japan/Ainu? China?)

Religion makes it a color-free division into real-people and non-people. GABBA GABBA HEY! Are you washed in the blood?

The killing is over power. Land acquisition and controlling the oil, gold...Religion is abused along with everything else. It becomes the scapegoat.

As an apostate fundamentalist, my view is that religion as such is more a means and method of abuse than is misused itself. “Christianity” has always been about power: it was made to serve Rome, and all it did was branch out from there. Christianity was rocked by the advent of cannabis and psychedelics and ‘the sexual revolution’ in the 60s, and the result has been the Dominionists/Seven Mountains crew, the New Apostolic Reformation, lunatics like Baby Huey’s most recent “spiritual advisor”, and secretive big-money groups like the Family and others.

It’s not nearly the scapegoat it deserves to be.

Is it more embarrassing getting crushed? Are there emotions after death?

If there are, wouldn’t they be of release, and freedom?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nearl...-deliberately-lighting-bushfires_3195827.html

What kind of crazy shit is that?
Sounds like the work of Islamic Jewish Christians.

How TF did Fa-Lun Gong get in here?

Another pretend word used to protect against critical inquiry is "antisemitism"

...or like asking an anti-Semite to define ‘antisemite’....

If you are talking about the cash given to Iran during the deal signed. This was not tax payer money. It was Iranian money which had been seized by the US.

Seems they’ve made it a point of pride never to comprehend that freezing of Iranian assets in the US was one of the means the previous administration used to get Iran to the negotiating table. The result was the deal Trump stomped. Iran wanted that deal: they wanted those assists, they wanted to sell their oil, they wanted sanctions lifted - for the US to back the fuck off and let them have a country, basically.

Then Captain Art of the Deal comes along and gets us exactly...HERE. Oh well, foreigners aren’t real, or something, I guess

 

[mean mr.mustard]

It seems like the method to prevent conflict, as well as the method to achieve the same, varies one to the other from one party to the other.

If money is bad and airstrikes are great over on this side of the aisle, then money is good and airstrikes are bad over there on the other side of the aisle.

Seems cut and dried what one should favor.

The only difference is the party that wants everyone else to have differing values.

No don't give them their money back... blow them up.

Is there anybody who would prefer blown up over getting their money back??

Why is the GOP always in favor of the inequality of treatment?

Hate.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

It seems like the method to prevent conflict, as well as the method to achieve the same, varies one to the other from one party to the other.

If money is bad and airstrikes are great over on this side of the aisle, then money is good and airstrikes are bad over there on the other side of the aisle.

Seems cut and dried what one should favor.

The only difference is the party that wants everyone else to have differing values.

No don't give them their money back... blow them up.

Is there anybody who would prefer blown up over getting their money back??

Why is the GOP always in favor of the inequality of treatment?

Hate.

Cuz them some evil bitches!

 

[Jellyfish]

Their basically idiots with a college degree. We have a decent relationship with Saudia Arabia, meanwhile Iran recently hit a us embassy, threatens us non stop, and chants death to America. But but but the Saudis lol.

"They're" basically idiots.


Is this refusal to use contractions correctly some kind of secret handshake among baby potus supporters? Or, is it as I suspect, most of you are just dumb fuck keyboard warriors?

 

[h.h.]

I have a coworker who grew up in Iran during the time of the Shaw. When the revolution started he was 16 and hid in the mountains. His sister would bring him food. He eventually made his way to Canada. When the war with Iraq started, Iraq was sending foot soldiers (kids) by the truck load to run into the opposing forces. Every wave was cut down. I asked this dude "why are people obaying them? He said "Go over that hill. There's an angle waiting for you" I laughed and said really?

"People will believe anything they're told by those in power" I believe him.

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1089738.pdf

 

[Microbeman]

Jeez - why doesn't the west just pull all their people out of the middle east - and let them have at it? -

- Trying to play the Big Empire Game out there will always be fraught with past, present and future disasters (ask the British) - its obvious that every bullet sold and fired in wars only benefits the ammunition salesman - and killing more people ain't gonna solve anyone's problems - it'll just create a greater blood feud and jihad - than there is already -

So war is not in anyone's interest really - except perhaps to those that are up for re-election - to boost their popularity - the great polarizing fear of a foreign power taking out your countrymen or country with the press of a button - is enough to get people riled up to the point where anything could happen in retaliation and escalation - on either side - pretty darn unpredictable which way it might go - and that's not good.

As always, follow the money.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

How many times do I have to tell you I don't care. We wouldn't give nazi's working on nuclear weapons billions of dollars for fucking obvious reasons, how you can't figure out that giving a terrorist nation billions of dollars speaks volumes to the amount of bias (or common sense) that you really have period.

You've proven my point. Your republican president's father and grandfather WAS Hitler's banker. (How Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, helped Hitler's rise to power)

Keep giving your Republicans deep throat your while they fill you with all sorts of diseases like Nicaragua will attack the USA, Iraq has WMDs, Epstein killed himself. Ok... that last one is made up. But not really.

 

[h.h.]

Fox reporting missiles fired from Iran at U.S. bases in Iraq.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Are they the same as the missiles that hit the Saudis last month or two?

Tell me, don't the forces have the capability to shoot down drones, or are they letting them through on purpose?

 

['Boogieman']

Iran stormed our embassy in Iraq and killed an American contractor, we had to retaliate for that period. Now Iran is about to get hit hard.