You're a hypocrite. Also known as a Democrat.
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The 2020 Presidential Election
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You're a hypocrite. Also known as a Democrat.
Hey New England; You said
and I wanted to state again that the fiscal truth is different; As evidenced by the system in Canada; they pay less in health care costs per capita, have a statistically healthier population, all people are covered, they pay less taxes and there is private insurance available. If only the people in the US could understand this, they could improve their lives considerably.
They have been taught to fear what might be considered socialism but fail to realize police, fire, sewage, roads, schools, transit, medicare, armed forces, etc. is all socialism.
Socialism is only a civilization deciding to have an organized way to provide services. Nobody needs to suffer from health problems in a country like the US.
That is all. I concur with the rest of your post.
and I wanted to state again that the fiscal truth is different; As evidenced by the system in Canada; they pay less in health care costs per capita, have a statistically healthier population, all people are covered, they pay less taxes and there is private insurance available. If only the people in the US could understand this, they could improve their lives considerably.
They have been taught to fear what might be considered socialism but fail to realize police, fire, sewage, roads, schools, transit, medicare, armed forces, etc. is all socialism.
Socialism is only a civilization deciding to have an organized way to provide services. Nobody needs to suffer from health problems in a country like the US.
That is all. I concur with the rest of your post.
You know this isn't true. We'll never move forward as long as people are deliberately putting forth false arguments. I guess if there are Marxists in the US, they would vote for a Democrat, but it seems more likely they'd go for a fringe candidate (like Bernie Sanders, at this point). You talk about Marxists like they are a significant group representing a legitimate threat. They aren't, unlike the Nazis and white supremacists that not only represent a legitimate threat, but are embraced by republicans. Some are even in office - King from Iowa, etc.
Marxists only exist in your twisted thoughts.
Nazis are on the news weekly enjoying their privilege of free speech while they do their heil trumps in public. I'm sure they appreciate your support.
I wonder what our cost per year is for incarcerating nazis. I can think of an easy way to put that money to better use.
So, you didn't watch your Democratic presidential debate?
It was a crap fest of Marxists.
Yeah, I don't see NAZI'S on the news, but I don't watch corporatist war-mongering , conspiracy theorists cable news. They will tell you what they will and you will follow them down the hole of sickness.
Absolem
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Right on.
JFK was labeled a "Marxist" and "communist" by the GOP when he was running for president. Then they ask where are the JFK's of today in the Dem party as if they would actually give them respect.
Absolem
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Funny shit packer. You can't even name 5 websites you believe are news worthy. But yet you bitch daily about the MSM as you post YouTube videos of people with NO expertise.
Come on Pack. NAME 5 WEBSITES YOU THINK ARE NEWS WORTHY.
Your shit just keeps getting crazier and crazier.
Maybe you should take a nice long time out and go read Karl Marx Communist Manifesto and then convince yourself that it was all about Obama.
Ok so let's say I pay 25% of my gross annual income in taxes,under a socialist government run healthcare system would I still keep 75% of the income i work for?
If that's the case then I'll look into it further,I have been under the impression the government would tax me more to pay for others.
M
Mr D
These fat disgusting blobs walking around with poor eating habits and lack of physical activity should not be a burden shared by taxpayers.
We should not have to pay for some 30 something yr old who guzzles 6 red bulls a day when it results heart problems. Fuck your type 2 diabetes meds if you can't stop eating deep fried oreos. You want to eat at McDonalds 7 days a week then foot your own medical bills.
America has more Mr. Creosote's than we can afford.
Sorry to interrupt all the Nazi hyperbole.....carry on.
Just be honest for once in your life. I won't hold my breath.
I am sure you can quote the manifesto for me, it's your bible after all.
I could have been mistaken,but I thought Bernie said something about a much higher tax rate for the American working man.
If I have it wrong then I stand corrected
If I have it wrong then I stand corrected
'Boogieman'
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There are a couple aspects on the saving side.
First, Public hospitals are required to treat all patients whether they are insured or not. Generally the uninsured are losses for the hospital forcing the bills of others to go higher. Public insurance stops this.
Second, A large group purchasing helps control costs across the board. This is verifiable by the substantially lower drug and medical costs in other countries that often have better care because cost is not a factor in treatment.
Third, Since Regan, the rich basically stopped paying taxes. This increased their wealth and put a hurt on the middle class paying for everything. If the rich start paying their fare share there will be more money for services (roll the marx theme music).
About your use of the term socialist and medicine, Could you also connect public schools, police, social security , public roads, airports, air traffic control, Coast Guard, and all these type of things with the term socialist?
Finally, It's no different. You pay your taxes and keep your money.
If you're not paying for health insurance anymore then your tax rate might go up but it should be less than what you're having taken out for medical now because Social Security can do it cheeper. Your bottom line should be the same or better.
‘If we give rape-u-gee child traffickers healthcare they won’t go to emergency rooms hurr durr durr’
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-room-use-stays-high-in-oregon-medicaid-study
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-room-use-stays-high-in-oregon-medicaid-study
Really dude, What you are saying is just crazy. These statements of yours are just loaded with ignorance.
It's really time for you to stop trolling.
I think Bernie did a poor job of explaining how it could work. Zeez pretty much explained it. On Canada if you look up the stats, you see lower costs and lower taxes [however military costs have some bearing in the US]. Some provinces use a sliding scale for charging a monthly premium (eg. $15 to $200/month) which seems quite functional.
My father who served in the US Navy, ended up living in Canada. He got stage 4 colon cancer and the VA said they could bury him for free. The Canadian system hospitalized him, diagnosed and began immediate treatment at over 80 years old. He was cured and provided follow up care until he died at 95; regular ct scans, MRIs, blood tests. He paid not one cent.
The Democrats are stupid for not acknowledging that private insurance can work alongside universal coverage.
If I go into a hospital, I'd rather be looked at as a person rather than my ability to pay.
I do agree it is disgusting the strain on any system placed by people who do not care for their health. Maybe the food propaganda is somewhat to blame.
Bottom line for me is I like the healthcare I have,I have 0 co-pays for primary care vists,0 co-pays for the ER,a three tier prescription plan,$5,$10,or $25 for top tier even if its chemo.I can see any DR in the country.
I really dont want to have the government control any more of my life than they already do.I like controlling my own care.I worked for it.
As you know I work in a Hospital and the abuse of the system we see day in and day out...ugh I guess I have become cynical.
If the government wants to trim the fat in other places like subsidising rebel factions around the planet maybe they could have a healthcare system for those who want to opt in.I am not on board for 1penny of my money going towards some of these elective procedures,to put it nicely.
I cant imagine the government can do better for me,than I do for myself
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