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El Timbo
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After giving a try to Panama and Thai x Panama, i'm very happy to see you are growing this outdoor season this pure Thai @El Timbo
Panama has plenty of vigor, but pure Thai hehehehhe grows like a rocket to the sun! And line it's inbred!
I haven't grown Panama before... do you think it might be slowed down by the heat?
El Timbo
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I'm planning to pollinate just a few lower buds - will that affect the upper buds?
Its all good, we are all busy.Hi @Keif Cake apologies for not chime in earlier. Happy to see you got different expressions to evaluate from our pure Thai Chiang Mai. The purple Thais usually have different terpene profiles than the green expressions. Glad you also got a classic green lemony Thai for contrast.
The Double Chocolate Thai does indeed look like a hybrid. Sorry if it was mentioned earlier, what is the genetic composition of DCT ? Glad you are excited about the offspring coming from the crossing of both strains
One thing to take in consideration when pollinating pure Thais indoors. If the pure Thais are heavily pollinated too early when they are still stretching and barely forming first budsites, this will drastically stop new reflowerings and yield will be low, neither reaching their full potential for quality. In order to get the best from these pure Thais is necessary that they produce and accumulate all the reflowerings they need.
On the positive side of things, you will be able to harvest a good amount of heatlhy seeds without need to wait 4 months (or more ) of flowering. How did your adventure finish ?
This is the description of the DCT from Snowhigh
I haven't actually tried any of it yet, i was going to a couple weeks back, but it still felt a little too moist to burn very well, so maybe one day soon. It is all quite seedy, and those other thais caught the pollen accidently by holes being in the bag. Kind of feels like a wasted grow with it all being so seedy, it's going to be difficult trying to smoke it sorting through all the seeds, not to mention the drop in quality from seed production. Going back to how i was previously pollinating.
I will be running some of the purple thai x dct before the year is out.
This is how i generally go about doing all of my pollinating, other than trying the bag with disastrous results last go around.
I like choosing the lowers for a few reasons, besides being airy, they dont catch stray pollen as easily as it does higher up being the main one
@dubi
This is the Double Chocolate on the 2nd run with a cutting, going off of memory i think it has much better (tighter) internode spacing and thinner leaves vs what i saw in the seed plant.
I have zero experience with chocolate thai, so idk what I'm looking at.
I'm not sure how i feel about running the offspring of the cross if it is likely to be a hybrid, of course a lot of that depends on how it smokes, but i think we all have more projects than we could hope to run, so it will be easy to move on to the next project(s) whatever the outcome of this second run is. Ive been adding a lot more food and calcium in the initial mix (3x) and everything has been much greener.
Doesnt appear to have been enough for the Honduras though as she is around the halfway point. A good uppotting would probably be the only solution, and i don't have anything to upgrade to.
This is the Double Chocolate on the 2nd run with a cutting, going off of memory i think it has much better (tighter) internode spacing and thinner leaves vs what i saw in the seed plant.
I have zero experience with chocolate thai, so idk what I'm looking at.
I'm not sure how i feel about running the offspring of the cross if it is likely to be a hybrid, of course a lot of that depends on how it smokes, but i think we all have more projects than we could hope to run, so it will be easy to move on to the next project(s) whatever the outcome of this second run is. Ive been adding a lot more food and calcium in the initial mix (3x) and everything has been much greener.
Doesnt appear to have been enough for the Honduras though as she is around the halfway point. A good uppotting would probably be the only solution, and i don't have anything to upgrade to.
Well, i have been smoking on the Thai's this morning and the last couple days.
The third one is kinda meh, nice high, doesn't have much legs, about a 4 or 5 potency. Never was very attracted to this plant at any point in its life cycle.
I just stuffed a cone with the purple Thai to try for the first time.
The big bushy thai that i loved from the beginning is really quite nice! Much more head feel, about twice as strong, id say around a 7 potency, decent duration, 2 hours or more. quite clear headed, very good wake n bake smoke.
The double chocolate thai is very nice, about 7.5 or 8 potency (the gt x panama id say is about as close to a 10 as you can get). The high isn't very different from the big bushy one, but it isnt as clear headed. Very pleased with it and the big bushy one.
I was deciding not to overthink it before trying them, but ive seen enough to go forward with popping 3 each of the Purple x DCT and Lemon x DCT after 2 seeds of each Blueberry Muffin, Flight Risk, and Wedding cake x Apple fritter didnt start leaving me with 1 each of those.
Might as well go ahead and test the DCT male im. Holding onto, i have 2 Super Panama Haze x DCT that are about a week old now to help with seeing how he performs.
Thai really is worth the hassle if you can find it and deal with flowering it. I kinda wish i had kept the big bushy cutting, but i cant keep everything and sometimes decisions have to be made.
The third one is kinda meh, nice high, doesn't have much legs, about a 4 or 5 potency. Never was very attracted to this plant at any point in its life cycle.
I just stuffed a cone with the purple Thai to try for the first time.
The big bushy thai that i loved from the beginning is really quite nice! Much more head feel, about twice as strong, id say around a 7 potency, decent duration, 2 hours or more. quite clear headed, very good wake n bake smoke.
The double chocolate thai is very nice, about 7.5 or 8 potency (the gt x panama id say is about as close to a 10 as you can get). The high isn't very different from the big bushy one, but it isnt as clear headed. Very pleased with it and the big bushy one.
I was deciding not to overthink it before trying them, but ive seen enough to go forward with popping 3 each of the Purple x DCT and Lemon x DCT after 2 seeds of each Blueberry Muffin, Flight Risk, and Wedding cake x Apple fritter didnt start leaving me with 1 each of those.
Might as well go ahead and test the DCT male im. Holding onto, i have 2 Super Panama Haze x DCT that are about a week old now to help with seeing how he performs.
Thai really is worth the hassle if you can find it and deal with flowering it. I kinda wish i had kept the big bushy cutting, but i cant keep everything and sometimes decisions have to be made.
Taima-da
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Some people have said this cultivar lacks resin. Not my experience.
From three girls, two phenos.
This one most languid and nld looking from a young age. The leaflets don't always come together at a point but rather are spread a little up the petiole.
This one has a more defined flower, not so dense or heavy but absolutely coated in resin even at this stage. Smells sweet herbal, pine with a hint of something else (varnish? toasted spice?).
As it's a winter run I expect summer flowers might be a lot more substantial with further reflowering. This specimen has a seeded branch, pollinated early, which might have interrupted flower development to some degree.
The other two girls displayed thick heavy dark green heavily serrated "alligator tail" leaves early on, with shortish petioles, have produced bushier more fox tail type flowers. Also with plentiful resin, smell like lime cordial.
Both phenos are super vigorous, stretchy, tall with good branching. Hoping to reveg the one pictured.
Saved a boy with a look in between the two types, leaning a bit toward the languid pheno, and used it to pollinate branches of all the girls, a few zamaldelica f2s and some of a cross of Manipur X Laos Bokeo (TRSC).
From three girls, two phenos.
This one most languid and nld looking from a young age. The leaflets don't always come together at a point but rather are spread a little up the petiole.
This one has a more defined flower, not so dense or heavy but absolutely coated in resin even at this stage. Smells sweet herbal, pine with a hint of something else (varnish? toasted spice?).
As it's a winter run I expect summer flowers might be a lot more substantial with further reflowering. This specimen has a seeded branch, pollinated early, which might have interrupted flower development to some degree.
The other two girls displayed thick heavy dark green heavily serrated "alligator tail" leaves early on, with shortish petioles, have produced bushier more fox tail type flowers. Also with plentiful resin, smell like lime cordial.
Both phenos are super vigorous, stretchy, tall with good branching. Hoping to reveg the one pictured.
Saved a boy with a look in between the two types, leaning a bit toward the languid pheno, and used it to pollinate branches of all the girls, a few zamaldelica f2s and some of a cross of Manipur X Laos Bokeo (TRSC).
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EnjoyingLife
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What would make it a worthy male for you?
xtsho
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I guess I worded that poorly. I'll use the best male I get. If I only get one then that will be it. If I get several I'll choose the most vigorous. One that's shorter and stouter than the others rather the the most lanky. I'll make the determination when I get to that point.
xtsho
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100% germination for the Thai seeds I planted. Just straight into potting soil. I'll transplant the plugs into gallon pots in the next couple days, veg for a couple weeks, and then into the flower tent. Looking at a sometime in January finish time. All that's left to do is wait.
Congrats on the harvest @Keif Cake and thanks for the feedback
This Thai line is very open pollinated, using dozens of females and males, so it has not inbred to a specific expression, all possible phenos can still be found, although it requires to grow a few plants to find the expression you like most.
In my experience, purple expressions in SE Asians tend to have more calm, centered effects than green expressions. Green citric-lemony expressions are usually my favorite for best quality clear, uplifting effects.
The perfumed, floral, musky and strawberry expressions have the best, most refined terpenes, but not necessarily best effects, these are rare to find and require to run bigger sized populations to pop up.
Pure Thai can hardly compete in raw potency with very highly worked poly hybrids such as Godlen Tiger x Panama, it's more about the quality of the effects (super clean and cerebral) of the best pure Thais.
Also, pure Thais can be done indoors with good results and good growing skills, but certainly they show their best potential when grown outdoors in the right climate.
This Thai line is very open pollinated, using dozens of females and males, so it has not inbred to a specific expression, all possible phenos can still be found, although it requires to grow a few plants to find the expression you like most.
In my experience, purple expressions in SE Asians tend to have more calm, centered effects than green expressions. Green citric-lemony expressions are usually my favorite for best quality clear, uplifting effects.
The perfumed, floral, musky and strawberry expressions have the best, most refined terpenes, but not necessarily best effects, these are rare to find and require to run bigger sized populations to pop up.
Pure Thai can hardly compete in raw potency with very highly worked poly hybrids such as Godlen Tiger x Panama, it's more about the quality of the effects (super clean and cerebral) of the best pure Thais.
Also, pure Thais can be done indoors with good results and good growing skills, but certainly they show their best potential when grown outdoors in the right climate.
Thanks for your feedback @Taima-da much appreciated
really like the resins of the female in your picture. She reminds me a lot to the mother we use for Thai Chiang Mai hybrids. Looking forward to know your opinion on your 3 females.
Thanks for joinning the Thai boat with us!
