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Temporary 50 amp Outlet?
- Thread starter EastCoast710
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sheik_yerbouti
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Ya I find it hard to believe there is no disconnecting means for the whole house.
Kinda sounds like he has a load center, which would be fed from elsewhere.
Drop That Sound
Well-known member
I run my entire system off a 50 amp double pole breaker. I cut the female end off of this super nice cord that is weather proof and suited for sitting on the ground outside: https://www.amazon.com/Camco-55195-Extension-PowerGrip-Handle/dp/B0024ECIP0 and wired the cut end into my little sub panel in my outdoor room, and the male end I plug into a 50 amp plug that is wired next to the main service panel outside.
You could use three solid 6 gauge wires (red white and black), and one bare 8g for the ground (4 wires total as long as you need) and a short piece of conduit and some fittings to go with them, or just pickup one of those short pre-wired conduits that comes with fittings already on in ready to go (metal or flexible plastic liquid tight), and run that from the breaker into this outlet http://www.homedepot.com/p/Legrand-Pass-Seymour-50-Amp-125-250-Volt-NEMA-14-50R-Surface-Mount-Power-Outlet-Black-3854CC6/100576531 .
Then from there you plug your nice fat durable RV cord's plug into the new outlet (can also get a temporary RV outlet box that cost more and has disconnect), and run it where ever you need to go.
If you cut the female end of the cord like me you can wire it directly into a sub panel and then use either 120 or 240 breakers and circuits. Really doesn't cost all that much.. my "disconnect" is just pulling the cord out, seems legit! Oh and If you do'nt know whether or not to isolate the neutral bar to the sub panel than you shouldn't be doing it at all...
If the landlord comes snooping around just shut of the main breaker, disconnect the 4 wires from the panel, and pull your 50 amp outlet off the wall.
You could use three solid 6 gauge wires (red white and black), and one bare 8g for the ground (4 wires total as long as you need) and a short piece of conduit and some fittings to go with them, or just pickup one of those short pre-wired conduits that comes with fittings already on in ready to go (metal or flexible plastic liquid tight), and run that from the breaker into this outlet http://www.homedepot.com/p/Legrand-Pass-Seymour-50-Amp-125-250-Volt-NEMA-14-50R-Surface-Mount-Power-Outlet-Black-3854CC6/100576531 .
Then from there you plug your nice fat durable RV cord's plug into the new outlet (can also get a temporary RV outlet box that cost more and has disconnect), and run it where ever you need to go.
If you cut the female end of the cord like me you can wire it directly into a sub panel and then use either 120 or 240 breakers and circuits. Really doesn't cost all that much.. my "disconnect" is just pulling the cord out, seems legit! Oh and If you do'nt know whether or not to isolate the neutral bar to the sub panel than you shouldn't be doing it at all...
If the landlord comes snooping around just shut of the main breaker, disconnect the 4 wires from the panel, and pull your 50 amp outlet off the wall.
no other panels.. the main breaker box is directly under were the meter is outside..
its a split bus electrical panel.. supposedly.. that I need to turn off 6 breakers to turn the entire house off.. but I'm not sure if it actually is right because nothing is almost labeled in the box.. its just a nightmare that's why i figured the one labeled basement heat. .60 amp.. i should just take that out. and fucking put a 50-60 amp back in and just run my grow off that.
its a split bus electrical panel.. supposedly.. that I need to turn off 6 breakers to turn the entire house off.. but I'm not sure if it actually is right because nothing is almost labeled in the box.. its just a nightmare that's why i figured the one labeled basement heat. .60 amp.. i should just take that out. and fucking put a 50-60 amp back in and just run my grow off that.
one.sixoneeight
Member
You do not have to replace the 60 amp breaker with a 50. You should also include photos of the job when looking for electrical advice.
i know i don't have to .. but. I'm not going to use an older breaker.. id like to replace the breaker.. so if i have a 50amp controller coming.. could i plug into a 60 amp.. and then use all 50 amps? since not supposed to use more than 80%?
one.sixoneeight
Member
80% of the weakest link in your chain. If something isnt broke, no need to fix it. If the 60 amp breaker runs the heat with no issues, it will work for your needs too.
If you use the 60 amp breaker, use 4 wire. When the breaker can give more power to the wire than itcis rated for fires happen and your breaker will not protect the circuit because it is not over loaded.
I wired everything from banks gas stations pools to houses and alot of grow rooms. What you described will work but is not ideal. I would not do it if children are present in the home but barring that it will work for a while, just don't chew on the wire.
I wired everything from banks gas stations pools to houses and alot of grow rooms. What you described will work but is not ideal. I would not do it if children are present in the home but barring that it will work for a while, just don't chew on the wire.
so having a wire only go through one wall.. and having it put on the wall just the same exact fuckign way my dryer plug is.. is dangerous?
sheik_yerbouti
Member
He"s saying dont use a 60a breaker on 50a rated equipment.
What brand of panel is it? pics would help.
Sounds like you'll have to do it live. Is this the only house on the property? I just cant wrap my head around the fact that an entire house can be installed with no disconnecting means. Astoundingly stupid.
if you read the thread u would see there is ways to turn it off.. its just not a full main.. back in the day they used split bus panels.. and those had 4-6 breakers up top that needed to be flipped to turn the entire house off..
so I can turn the house off.. figure this out this am just went down and popped the top 4.. then last 2.. so its top 6 are the main shut off for everything else.
sheik_yerbouti
Member
Ah. Ok, didn't pick up on that. That's good then, so by flipping the top 4 breakers there isn't power to the rest of the panel and you can replace that breaker without having power in that part of the panel? That's definitely something I've never heard of.
Drop That Sound
Well-known member
^ Yes it is, electricity is a very dangerous form of energy. The only difference is that like queequeg said some "licensed" electrician did a partially hacked job that some inspector passed when the system was installed, and miracously hasn't burned the place down yet lol.
That being said just wear a rubber suit and use one of those plastic mechanical hands, and a plastic screw driver when you pull the live breaker and poke around the 100+ amps or so you are dealing with. Ive rewired live outlets and pulled breakers before, but no way in hell would I stick a screwdriver in a main panel without shutting it off! The breaker itself maybe, but you have to put screws into the other bus bars that are still live, yikes..
Just be safe. Yes you can basically install another dryer plug (but with one extra wire). No you don't have to supply your whole family with meds and if you are they should be willing to help pay for it to get done right.. or go without? When you get fried then who are they gonna go to
That being said just wear a rubber suit and use one of those plastic mechanical hands, and a plastic screw driver when you pull the live breaker and poke around the 100+ amps or so you are dealing with. Ive rewired live outlets and pulled breakers before, but no way in hell would I stick a screwdriver in a main panel without shutting it off! The breaker itself maybe, but you have to put screws into the other bus bars that are still live, yikes..
Just be safe. Yes you can basically install another dryer plug (but with one extra wire). No you don't have to supply your whole family with meds and if you are they should be willing to help pay for it to get done right.. or go without? When you get fried then who are they gonna go to
Weed Gretzky
Member
ya just swap out that breaker. I used to be a pussy and scared of the panel then i got my apollo controller had to grab my nuts and man up. just rig her in. super easy! i don't know why i was such a poon.
edit just get a flash light and shut off the main power befor working on it... didn't think you would be stupid enough to try and work live but someone was mentioning that. while it can definitely be done why risk a shock.
edit just get a flash light and shut off the main power befor working on it... didn't think you would be stupid enough to try and work live but someone was mentioning that. while it can definitely be done why risk a shock.
Drop That Sound
Well-known member
He apparently doesn't have a main breaker, some sort of dual redundant system involving his main panel with mulitple breakers that feeds another main panel with multiple breakers that no one can wrap there heads around. Doesn't make sense at all so no one can really give him sound advice without pictures yet. Basically saying he has to shut down like 4 breakers to work on another panel with even more breakers.
Im guessing the main breaker is hiding in the meter panel and has a plastic tamper proof lock that needs to be carefully picked to turn the main off.
I do understand manning up and doing it honestly I probably would if I had too while its live, but anyone giving advice at this point without understanding his system takes some responsibility if there is a failure involving death or fire.
look up split bus panel.. the 6 top breakers are the main to the house basically instead of a 1 flip main. I got 6.. i figured this out because the basement was once its own inlaw sweet.. so it had 4 breakers turn off the upstairs.. 2 turn off the downstairs. .for a total of 6.
and my family that i supply with meds .. we all want it done right.. but don't want ANYONE knowing my grow is going on . so its tough on that part.. but iuno doesn't seem like a tough job especially if I'm able to turn off the power.
my boy is coming over to help me. I'm running the wire.. hes going to hook up the breaker to the wire and the outlet to the wire.
and my family that i supply with meds .. we all want it done right.. but don't want ANYONE knowing my grow is going on . so its tough on that part.. but iuno doesn't seem like a tough job especially if I'm able to turn off the power.
my boy is coming over to help me. I'm running the wire.. hes going to hook up the breaker to the wire and the outlet to the wire.
Drop That Sound
Well-known member
Gotcha, good call lol, let us know how your boy makes out. Should at the least use a tester to check for current all around the breaker in the panel, you never know what someone else did while re-modeling the place, seen some real hack jobs in my day! Good luck man
Drop That Sound
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http://www.buellinspections.com/split-bus-electrical-panels-no-main-breaker/
As long as there is not more than 6 to shut off, ok makes sense now, the old 6-throw-rule aye?
As long as there is not more than 6 to shut off, ok makes sense now, the old 6-throw-rule aye?
ya.. my buddy that's coming over is a licensed electrician that works for a company in the area.. bringing his work truck to help me out for 15 minutes.
