They usually do, it's crazy because they put all this time in to grow the plant and then don't allow it to fully mature?
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They usually do, it's crazy because they put all this time in to grow the plant and then don't allow it to fully mature?
Polygon
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I believe unnatural senescence comes from cannabis reacting not only to its instinctive end of life cycle, but to the soil environment being so far from ideal of what the plant/root-zone needs at the end of its life cycle. A plant will still reach that state in a stable root-zone (no flushing, chems or what-have-you's) but it will do so on its own terms.
But I don't really know. That's just from what I've noticed.
But I don't really know. That's just from what I've noticed.
2amcrooner
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TM, are any of your meds on the 215 market in norcal?
He's gonna kill it I'll bet
I agree with you 100%. We can either starve the plant in a bottled regimen (flushing) and witness signs of deficiency (yellowing/fading), or we can let the plant naturally fade into senescence in an organic setting where it won't be deprived of potential come late flower... I've done both personally and can say the more effective and logical way is the natural way
Nah sorry man, these are personal meds only
2amcrooner
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Nah sorry man, these are personal meds only
Well... I am 2amcrooner, I admire your work and hope we can be freinds.
Well... I am 2amcrooner, I admire your work and hope we can be freinds.
The 4 levels of plant health
The 4 levels of plant health
First off, I wanted to share this website with you guys with some really great material from an Amish farmer named John Kempf. This guy is literally my hero, and he recorded a bunch of seminar talks that he did a few years back that are mind blowing and packed with so much info, I just have to share it:
http://bionutrient.org/library/audio-archive
Check out the 4 part series - he goes through all sorts of things... from points of critical influence in a plant's life cycle to the negative effects from the main ingredient in Round Up (glyphosate). It's actually pretty interesting, he talks about how it's concentrated in calcium and magnesium, and as a consequence - it becomes concentrated as it goes up the food chain since seeds have abundant amounts of cal/mag in them. And what do our animals eat? The seeds. We then eat the animals lol. By then it's concentrated immensely and causes problems like gastrointestinal cancer in people and we wonder why this is happening. John makes many valid points on why it's important we grow organically, revitalize our soils and promote this practice to everyone we can. We cannot just preach and preach, we must lead by example and show how easily we can grow nutrient-dense food/medicine, and how easy it is to prevent our families from ingesting glyphosate and other cancer causing toxins that are so commonly found in our fucked up food supply in today's day and age.
Anyways, here's the article lol:
Varying Degrees of Plant Health and Vitality
As soils and crops transition from commercial to biological production practices, these crops seem to progress through several stages of overall health. These several stages of plant health tend to overlap and blend together in the field rather than being sharply defined.
Phase I
In this foundational phase of plant growth and health, a plant’s needs for adequate sunlight, air, water, and minerals are all being met; an efficient photosynthetic process is absorbing carbon dioxide from the air, water from the soil, and with the energy input from the sun, begins producing plant sugars and carbohydrates. Initially, the sugars formed during this process will be monosaccharides - simple sugars such as fructose, sucrose, and dextrose.
As the process evolves, more complex sugars, called polysaccharides begin to develop. Cellulose, lignin, pectins, and starches are structural and store carbohydrates produced in greater quantities as plants become healthier. In our experience, as long as plants are photosynthesizing properly and producing pectins and other complex carbohydrates, these plants do not seem to be susceptible to soil borne fungi – styled as “pathogens”. Saprophytic fungi (fungi which decompose dead plant residue) such as alternaria, fusarium, and verticillium only become a problem when plants are unhealthy to the point where they no longer develop complete carbohydrates. As long as we have active photosynthesis and energy transfer, these “pathogens” cease to be a problem.
Phase II
As photosynthetic energy increases, plants begin to transfer greater quantities of sugars to the root system and the microbial community in the rhizosphere. This increase in energy and a food source for the soil microbes will stimulate them to mineralize and release minerals and trace minerals from the soil matrix, and provide them in a plant available form. Plants then utilize these essential minerals as enzyme cofactors which are needed to form complete carbohydrates and especially proteins. Soluble sugars, monosaccharides, when partnered with nitrogen, are the base materials used to form amino acids. Through the action of enzyme catalysts these amino acids are bonded together to form peptides from which complete proteins are formed. Thanks to their rapid metabolism, insects need large amounts of protein for growth and reproduction.
They can source their protein requirements from plants that have elevated levels of soluble amino acids in the plant sap. Many insects have a simple digestive system that lacks the digestive enzymes needed to digest complex proteins. In our experience, plants which are forming complete proteins and have low levels of soluble amino acids, are not susceptible to insects with a simple digestive system. This would include insects such as aphids and white flies and especially larval insects such cabbage earworm, alfalfa weevil, tomato hornworm, and many others.
Phase III
As photosynthetic energy and efficiency increases, plants develop a surplus of energy beyond that needed for basic growth and reproduction. Initially, large quantities of this surplus energy, in the form of sugars, are translocated to the root system, as high as 70% of the total sugar production. Later, the plant begins to store this surplus energy in the form of lipids – plant fats – in both vegetative and reproduction tissue. In vegetative tissue, these fats are primarily in the form of omega 3s, whereas omega 6s and 9s are mostly
found in the storage organs or the fruit.
Plants always maintain a minimum baseline of lipid levels since they need these compounds to help form the phospho lipid cell membranes. As energy and lipid levels increase, this cell membrane becomes much stronger and more resilient enabling it to better resist fungal pathogens. It appears as though once plants achieve higher lipid levels and stronger cell membranes, they become more resistant to the airborne fungal pathogens such as downy and powdery mildew, late blight and others, as well as some bacterial invaders, notably fire blight, scab, rust, bacterial speck, bacterial spot, and others.It should be noted that plants must have a functional digestive system (the microbial community in the rhizosphere) before they will develop to this stage of plant health, otherwise, they will lack the energy needed to develop higher levels of lipids.
Phase IV
The elevated lipid levels developed in Phase III are then used to build complex plant protectant compounds styled plant secondary metabolites. The plant builds these plant secondary metabolites (PSM5), or essential oils, to protect itself from would-be parasites, UV radiation, or overgrazing by insects or herbivores. Many of these compounds, which include terpenoids, bioflavonoids, carotenoids,
tannins, and many others, contain anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties, as well as digestion (enzyme) inhibitors.
Once plants achieve this level of performance they become immune to insect attack from insects that have a better developed digestive system, primarily the beetle family such as cucumber beetles, Colorado potato beetles, and Japanese beetles. At this point, plants have a tremendous level of stress tolerance and can cope with weather extremes reasonably well. Again, these phases of plant health are based on our observations and experiences in the field. Transitions in the field are not always clearly delineated as in this chart, however, over time a clearer picture begins to emerge as crops and soils become healthier and healthier and “pathogens’ become less and less of a problem.
Farming can quickly become a most enjoyable occupation.
The 4 levels of plant health
First off, I wanted to share this website with you guys with some really great material from an Amish farmer named John Kempf. This guy is literally my hero, and he recorded a bunch of seminar talks that he did a few years back that are mind blowing and packed with so much info, I just have to share it:
http://bionutrient.org/library/audio-archive
Check out the 4 part series - he goes through all sorts of things... from points of critical influence in a plant's life cycle to the negative effects from the main ingredient in Round Up (glyphosate). It's actually pretty interesting, he talks about how it's concentrated in calcium and magnesium, and as a consequence - it becomes concentrated as it goes up the food chain since seeds have abundant amounts of cal/mag in them. And what do our animals eat? The seeds. We then eat the animals lol. By then it's concentrated immensely and causes problems like gastrointestinal cancer in people and we wonder why this is happening. John makes many valid points on why it's important we grow organically, revitalize our soils and promote this practice to everyone we can. We cannot just preach and preach, we must lead by example and show how easily we can grow nutrient-dense food/medicine, and how easy it is to prevent our families from ingesting glyphosate and other cancer causing toxins that are so commonly found in our fucked up food supply in today's day and age.
Anyways, here's the article lol:
Varying Degrees of Plant Health and Vitality
As soils and crops transition from commercial to biological production practices, these crops seem to progress through several stages of overall health. These several stages of plant health tend to overlap and blend together in the field rather than being sharply defined.
Phase I
In this foundational phase of plant growth and health, a plant’s needs for adequate sunlight, air, water, and minerals are all being met; an efficient photosynthetic process is absorbing carbon dioxide from the air, water from the soil, and with the energy input from the sun, begins producing plant sugars and carbohydrates. Initially, the sugars formed during this process will be monosaccharides - simple sugars such as fructose, sucrose, and dextrose.
As the process evolves, more complex sugars, called polysaccharides begin to develop. Cellulose, lignin, pectins, and starches are structural and store carbohydrates produced in greater quantities as plants become healthier. In our experience, as long as plants are photosynthesizing properly and producing pectins and other complex carbohydrates, these plants do not seem to be susceptible to soil borne fungi – styled as “pathogens”. Saprophytic fungi (fungi which decompose dead plant residue) such as alternaria, fusarium, and verticillium only become a problem when plants are unhealthy to the point where they no longer develop complete carbohydrates. As long as we have active photosynthesis and energy transfer, these “pathogens” cease to be a problem.
Phase II
As photosynthetic energy increases, plants begin to transfer greater quantities of sugars to the root system and the microbial community in the rhizosphere. This increase in energy and a food source for the soil microbes will stimulate them to mineralize and release minerals and trace minerals from the soil matrix, and provide them in a plant available form. Plants then utilize these essential minerals as enzyme cofactors which are needed to form complete carbohydrates and especially proteins. Soluble sugars, monosaccharides, when partnered with nitrogen, are the base materials used to form amino acids. Through the action of enzyme catalysts these amino acids are bonded together to form peptides from which complete proteins are formed. Thanks to their rapid metabolism, insects need large amounts of protein for growth and reproduction.
They can source their protein requirements from plants that have elevated levels of soluble amino acids in the plant sap. Many insects have a simple digestive system that lacks the digestive enzymes needed to digest complex proteins. In our experience, plants which are forming complete proteins and have low levels of soluble amino acids, are not susceptible to insects with a simple digestive system. This would include insects such as aphids and white flies and especially larval insects such cabbage earworm, alfalfa weevil, tomato hornworm, and many others.
Phase III
As photosynthetic energy and efficiency increases, plants develop a surplus of energy beyond that needed for basic growth and reproduction. Initially, large quantities of this surplus energy, in the form of sugars, are translocated to the root system, as high as 70% of the total sugar production. Later, the plant begins to store this surplus energy in the form of lipids – plant fats – in both vegetative and reproduction tissue. In vegetative tissue, these fats are primarily in the form of omega 3s, whereas omega 6s and 9s are mostly
found in the storage organs or the fruit.
Plants always maintain a minimum baseline of lipid levels since they need these compounds to help form the phospho lipid cell membranes. As energy and lipid levels increase, this cell membrane becomes much stronger and more resilient enabling it to better resist fungal pathogens. It appears as though once plants achieve higher lipid levels and stronger cell membranes, they become more resistant to the airborne fungal pathogens such as downy and powdery mildew, late blight and others, as well as some bacterial invaders, notably fire blight, scab, rust, bacterial speck, bacterial spot, and others.It should be noted that plants must have a functional digestive system (the microbial community in the rhizosphere) before they will develop to this stage of plant health, otherwise, they will lack the energy needed to develop higher levels of lipids.
Phase IV
The elevated lipid levels developed in Phase III are then used to build complex plant protectant compounds styled plant secondary metabolites. The plant builds these plant secondary metabolites (PSM5), or essential oils, to protect itself from would-be parasites, UV radiation, or overgrazing by insects or herbivores. Many of these compounds, which include terpenoids, bioflavonoids, carotenoids,
tannins, and many others, contain anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties, as well as digestion (enzyme) inhibitors.
Once plants achieve this level of performance they become immune to insect attack from insects that have a better developed digestive system, primarily the beetle family such as cucumber beetles, Colorado potato beetles, and Japanese beetles. At this point, plants have a tremendous level of stress tolerance and can cope with weather extremes reasonably well. Again, these phases of plant health are based on our observations and experiences in the field. Transitions in the field are not always clearly delineated as in this chart, however, over time a clearer picture begins to emerge as crops and soils become healthier and healthier and “pathogens’ become less and less of a problem.
Farming can quickly become a most enjoyable occupation.
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Day 82
Day 82
San Andraes Crack (cheesequake x hollister kush)
San Andraes lower frosted up nicely these past few weeks, I'm glad I let this garden go this long because it really brought out some characteristics that weren't revealed before
Silver Lotus donkey dick cola!!! My biggest cola grown to date :yay:
After chopping the plant I'll trim off all fan leaves and leave a good portion of em on top of my pots. I just leave em in the tent until every plant is culled, then I'll pull each one out and prep it for the 2nd no-till cycle:
First, I'll scrape back the leaf/straw layer of mulch and lay down cover crop seeds.
Then, I'll lay down 2'' of kelp/neem meal amended worm castings, then cover with the leaf litter/straw top layer.
I'll repeat this on the opposite side of the pot and then it's off to the races again! Simply digging a small hole next to the existing stump and transplanting a cutting is all that's necessary to get the next round pumpin away... it's almost too easy folks. If I can do this anyone else can...
Day 82
San Andraes Crack (cheesequake x hollister kush)
San Andraes lower frosted up nicely these past few weeks, I'm glad I let this garden go this long because it really brought out some characteristics that weren't revealed before
Silver Lotus donkey dick cola!!! My biggest cola grown to date :yay:
After chopping the plant I'll trim off all fan leaves and leave a good portion of em on top of my pots. I just leave em in the tent until every plant is culled, then I'll pull each one out and prep it for the 2nd no-till cycle:
First, I'll scrape back the leaf/straw layer of mulch and lay down cover crop seeds.
Then, I'll lay down 2'' of kelp/neem meal amended worm castings, then cover with the leaf litter/straw top layer.
I'll repeat this on the opposite side of the pot and then it's off to the races again! Simply digging a small hole next to the existing stump and transplanting a cutting is all that's necessary to get the next round pumpin away... it's almost too easy folks. If I can do this anyone else can...
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is this the same enzyme catalysts that SST provide? and if not, how do we introduce enzyme catalysts?
Buddyy
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Team Microbe thanks for your post about VPD. I have just realised why my little seedlings are not growing- LOW RH! I'm so annoyed at myself for not knowing these things already..even though I knew RH should be around 60-70% for veg I didn't give enough thought or time into checking this, just assuming that the ambient RH would be ok most of the time...I didn't even put a RH meter in my grow room.
I had 28 plants of great genetics sprout on the new year but since then they have growing very slowly and instead of investigating as to the cause I just hoped they would get better. Now I ask is it too late to save them? If plants are stressed early in life will they be scarred for life???
I had 28 plants of great genetics sprout on the new year but since then they have growing very slowly and instead of investigating as to the cause I just hoped they would get better. Now I ask is it too late to save them? If plants are stressed early in life will they be scarred for life???
It can def be a cause of slowed growth, it may also be due to too much water or low calcium levels from what I've seen first hand.
Usually it depends on the stress level, if they weren't stressed or stunted too bad I'd run em but if they were and they aren't lookin so hot then yeah, yields will def suffer. The biggest point of influence in a plant's life cycle is in the first month of life, so any stress induced will deduct a certain % from that plants genetic potential. It's a judgement call on your end brother, I hope they weren't stunted too bad! Goodluck
Thanks man! This was a SSH dom pheno, very hazey and took a good 10 weeks to finish, I could've let her go for another 10 days I'm sure though. I'll def drop a smoke report soon
yep, the same ones!
MJtheIndicator
Member
I like the crack nod, deep reference. Has the cheese coloration with the kush expression.
thanks man
I just took some dry shots off the Crack too... it looks like it really matured during the dry because the trichs are amber as hell all of a suddenThank you sir
THE CHOP
THE CHOP
Silver Lotus #2 post-trim (taken til Day 84)
Silver Lotus #1 cola
THE CHOP
Silver Lotus #2 post-trim (taken til Day 84)
Silver Lotus #1 cola
Silver Lotus #3 main cola
San Andraes Crack
again
San Andraes cola leaf - caked!!
Have a bunch of other strains on the drying racks right now as well... more photos to come!!
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