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outdoorkush
Member
i was wondering what my ec and ppm should be in the range of , for my final diluted tea
teas usually run a 250-350ppm. EC i don't remember...
http://www.wawgg.org/files/documents/CeCe_Crosby_Power_Point.pdf
=ecology of compost tea
http://www.wawgg.org/files/documents/CeCe_Crosby_Power_Point.pdf
=ecology of compost tea
anferneybra
Member
Hey fellas,
After looking over this article and making teas for a couple years now, I have a question.
Who uses vegetable oil to control foaming in their teas? and how much per gallon or what rate are you using?
A friend of mine swear by about 1/2 tsp per 5 gallons of tea of normal vegetable oil.
Only reason I ask is that my home made air lift brewer makes an awful lot of foam in my 40 gallon batch and I need to control it!
Thanks for any input!
T
After looking over this article and making teas for a couple years now, I have a question.
Who uses vegetable oil to control foaming in their teas? and how much per gallon or what rate are you using?
A friend of mine swear by about 1/2 tsp per 5 gallons of tea of normal vegetable oil.
Only reason I ask is that my home made air lift brewer makes an awful lot of foam in my 40 gallon batch and I need to control it!
Thanks for any input!
T
anferneybra
Member
Any reason why not vegetable oil?
From the research done so far, most people are saying ok to vegetable and flaxseed oil and no to canola/olive oil.
Reason behind silicon? beaks surface tension? explanation would be great thanks!
T
From the research done so far, most people are saying ok to vegetable and flaxseed oil and no to canola/olive oil.
Reason behind silicon? beaks surface tension? explanation would be great thanks!
T
I use it to get silicon into my medium and it's also used to break surface tension. I noticed it controlled almost all of the froth when I brewed teas with it.
anferneybra
Member
Cool, I was wary about adding the oils.
I will give the pro tekt a shot, and see if it helps.
Granger, do you use anything to control the foam in teas?
Thanks for the suggestion swayze!
T
I will give the pro tekt a shot, and see if it helps.
Granger, do you use anything to control the foam in teas?
Thanks for the suggestion swayze!
T
anferneybra
Member
Follow up question, as trying to stick to things that are labeled organic or OMRI listed, is Dyna gro's pro tekt organic?
I have been poking around and could only find that the best organic source of silicate would be diatomite, or diatomaceous earth...
Any other sources you have ?
Thanks!
T
I have been poking around and could only find that the best organic source of silicate would be diatomite, or diatomaceous earth...
Any other sources you have ?
Thanks!
T
anferneybra
Member
Hmm ok, well I made an airlifting type brewer in 55 gallon rubbermaid with only a little head room. There is a product that has been thrown my way:
http://vortexbrewer.com/products/storch-oil/
You guys ever hear of it? Try it? Think much of it?
wonderin if I should give it a whirl!
T
http://vortexbrewer.com/products/storch-oil/
You guys ever hear of it? Try it? Think much of it?
wonderin if I should give it a whirl!
T
beancollector
Member
This is prolly a stupid question but I'm not sure about the answer . If I'm using sunshine mix 4 and Ewc mixed with a 1/2 cup powdered lime per 7.5 gal . How often should I feed? And should you feed, feed, water or feed,water, feed? For feeding I was usually put about 3
Gallons r/o in a bucket with 2 airstones , and add 1/2 cup Ewc , 1/2 cup buffalo compost, 1/2 cup Alaskan humus, 2 tsp uncle neptunes fish fertilizer, 1 tsp high n guano, 1 tsp high p guano, 1 tsp kelp meal , 1 tsp ground soft rock phosphate , 2 tblsp molasses bubbled for around 48 hrs . Then I cut it in half with r/o water. Is it too much stuff? Any better ingredients I should replace? Any advice or tips is greatly appreciated
Gallons r/o in a bucket with 2 airstones , and add 1/2 cup Ewc , 1/2 cup buffalo compost, 1/2 cup Alaskan humus, 2 tsp uncle neptunes fish fertilizer, 1 tsp high n guano, 1 tsp high p guano, 1 tsp kelp meal , 1 tsp ground soft rock phosphate , 2 tblsp molasses bubbled for around 48 hrs . Then I cut it in half with r/o water. Is it too much stuff? Any better ingredients I should replace? Any advice or tips is greatly appreciated
brilliant thread and lots has been learned!
however, on the issue of patents being valid, lets be realistic ...
a brewer consists of a few basic 'off the shelf' items ...
a vessel such as the conical bioreactors sold at places like tank depot ...
an aquarium airpump ...
some piping bought from a hardware store ..
and a diffuser/airstone as used in an aquarium (some people who have patented brewers use fancy names such as 'bubble generator' etc but it's not a new invention, it's a bog standard airstone
the whole concept of the apparatus is ancient technology .... the Romans used airlift systems ... The first airlift pump is considered to be invented by the German engineer Carl Emanuel Löscher (de), who lived in the second part of the eighteenth century. He discovered the airlift pump technology in 1797.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airlift_pump
airlift aeration has been used for years in the sewrage/wastewater industry aswell as koi fishponds and fish hatcheries... so nothing new there
the process of creating ACT is also not new technology, and was described and practised as early as 1924 when Rudolf Steiner stirred his conconctions to aerate them
The Koreans have been farming using microbes for centuries ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOO1_jNKbKw
and the chinese even longer
so, to be honest, even though a patent is granted, should it ever be contested in court, it will be overturned, unless you invent something totally new (a new piece of equipment that has not been invented yet)
there are many patents on the brewers .... they are all the same thing really ... i9t's like trying to patent a fishtank ... because that is all it really is
what guys are trying to do, is stopping other people from building brewers and selling them .... they are trying to get royalties and trying to patent the 'process' which is ancient technology...
breeding microbes using aeration is even used in the petrochem industry
and I very much doubt that anyone who holds one of these patents has actually won a court case ....
just saying
two quick questions ....
has anyone tried cleaning their brewers using those chlorine tablets that are used in swimming pools? ....once cleaned and flushed, you just bubble for a while and the chlorine will dissipate
has anyone substituted molasses with glucose? .... my dad used to be a farmer and he used to use home made compost with glucose and an aquarium airpump in a 44 gallon steel drum .... he swore by this method even though he never checked it with a microsope
looking back now, the airpump was way too small, but the contents never smelt sour
has anyone tried cleaning their brewers using those chlorine tablets that are used in swimming pools? ....once cleaned and flushed, you just bubble for a while and the chlorine will dissipate
has anyone substituted molasses with glucose? .... my dad used to be a farmer and he used to use home made compost with glucose and an aquarium airpump in a 44 gallon steel drum .... he swore by this method even though he never checked it with a microsope
looking back now, the airpump was way too small, but the contents never smelt sour
on the issue of John Evans and his giant world breaking vegetables, he combines ACT with high brix gardening methods and plants strains of the vegetables that grow large ...
i.e. you will not get a giant onion from an onion that is a small variety
his veg has been checked with a brixmeter, and he gets amazing results
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2mnf_rfjI
so, prepare your soil correct by topdressing with decent humis and minerals such as rockdust, and use ACT and you will get good results
he knows his stuff
I have been practising High Brix methods with ACT for several years now and have had amazing results
i.e. you will not get a giant onion from an onion that is a small variety
his veg has been checked with a brixmeter, and he gets amazing results
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2mnf_rfjI
so, prepare your soil correct by topdressing with decent humis and minerals such as rockdust, and use ACT and you will get good results
he knows his stuff
I have been practising High Brix methods with ACT for several years now and have had amazing results
anferneybra
Member
So been using the storch oil for past 2 batches.
Seems to control the foam very well with about 4 drops per 5 gallons and MB's EWC/molasses recipe.
Observed a large population in the microscope at 30 hours in the brew.
I didn't try the vegetable oil thing.
Getting almost 9.5 PPM of DO from the meter and things are rockin!
Thought I would let ya guys know
T
Seems to control the foam very well with about 4 drops per 5 gallons and MB's EWC/molasses recipe.
Observed a large population in the microscope at 30 hours in the brew.
I didn't try the vegetable oil thing.
Getting almost 9.5 PPM of DO from the meter and things are rockin!
Thought I would let ya guys know
T
airlifts were used prior to the Romans
Patents are only granted on scrutinized new methods. Patent holders have usually invested a lot money into their engineering and testing.
My patent and bioreactor employs something new and still not used in other bioreactors. If I could afford the fees, I am absolutely certain it would be defendable in court. You use an aquarium pump and stones all you like.
