STRONGEST SATIVA

[Nept]

canna,

i think i know where you got those, if from SB. the guy had them a while back.
Seems to the best of everyones knowledge there pure. But they dont Look it.
Your buds are way to nice if that makes any sence.

This is why it sucks when everyone on the planet has the real deal
Its not implying your plant is no good. Infact its a good thing in my opinion. Now you have not told yourself you have AG and will most likely search it out. Possibly add it to your current AG stock

 

[Guest]

nept- if you're talking about those buds a page back, those are labeled "killer queen." i remember seeing the pics of canna's ag awhile back and they looked pretty legit to me. in fact, his cut looks just like a mexican sativa i grew years ago that was lethally potent, lol.

canna- you got any pics of her? she's a looker for sure!

 

[Nept]

I think your right. those were killer queen. It woud have made more sence if i had adressed the killacron guy too. I think he said they were seeds from canna.
which in turn were seeds from Marimbas, whom stayed long enough for some tech support on his authentic AG beans then split.

anyway i adressed canna as if he grew the plants i saw from killacron

 

[Guest]

lol. all i know is AG is some of the best pot i have ever smoked, clear and cerebral but not so clear that there is any doubt that you are absolutey and completely fucked up! AG and the landrace oaxacan i grew are the strongest pure sativas i have ever expereinced. whoever says mexican weed sucks needs to grow some mexican sativas themselves. they are my favorite landraces i have smoked.

if legit AG beans come out, i will be buying many packs.

 

[tiedye420]

nice zam, real nice...
Best sativa I ever smoked was aulcopulco gold back in 1975 or so...
BTW not a tolerance thing..
I was hardcore then & smoked buddah thai stick after breakfast daily!
BTWW the best thai we ever got wasn't even thai.. They were lime green sticks reportedly grown by monks in cambodia.. Heavy on the opium so i'm not sure they count..Dream state weed... dime round and about 4 inches long.. Me and a buddy tried to smoke a whole one and practically passed out..
Thing was four of us smoked a quarter ounce buddah stick every morning.
We didn't want to go on campus with weed now, it was the 70's..
The "green stick" was an after school treat from his brother and we smoked about 2/3 of it, and stared out the window for a couple hours speechless.
No not the crappy ones from hawaii with string........
these had hemp strands wrapped around them but were lime green.

 

[tiedye420]

Zam
be sureto let me know when those colombian blacks are ready...
That's my favorite... When stinky hits f10 I'll need a strong version..
Yours would be what we call "heaven sent"...
tie

 

[Cannapits]

nept- if you're talking about those buds a page back, those are labeled "killer queen." i remember seeing the pics of canna's ag awhile back and they looked pretty legit to me. in fact, his cut looks just like a mexican sativa i grew years ago that was lethally potent, lol.

canna- you got any pics of her? she's a looker for sure!

you know my story...security first as im still not fully underground...that comes next week... oh but she is safe and getting ready for summer as she's a bush already...Need to dig and find some more sativas to run as well...maybe some more Garcia from Reeferman and some Kalimist from serious...need to dig in the seeds as I know i've got some in there somewhere...been playing with the indicas this winter...You know I like the outside as well as the inside..great things to come...Peace....


oh and KillKron has my cut...never had seeds...Some L.U.I for bedtime...

 

[FlyvAgaric]

man... its been a few months since i've had some buds like this.

 

[Guest]

Here's a Mexican I have flowering now at almost 14 weeks. She is a cali ibl made up of mexican genes with a hint of Thai, no idea how many gens but its an old preserved line from an old timer up in the hills. I have another pheno flowering that looks like she has a bit of Thai influence. The buds are pretty large but very airy.

There are lots of hybrids being grown in Mexico these days, here is a plant from seeds I found in brickpack I bought in Cancun, April 06. Definitely looks to have a fair few indica genes in her makeup:

 

[zamalito]

Man bh, that zamal x haze is stunning!

 

[thc43]

best ask some breeders there qualified, are soo many sativas out there.

Atm i quite like my bigbud clone a fast 8/9 week flowering more than 50% sativa hybrid. stretches to about 4x the size, stone is mellow but really long lasting produces black hash.

 

[Guest]

Im sure the Skunks hit Colombia and Mexico en masse in the mid to late '70's..to me there is a clear dividing line at that point. Those lines that come from before are very different genetics to those that come after. Some of these plants we see as 'golds' are to my mind acclimatised 'Skunk type' hybrids, with Indica in their blood. Maybe hybrids with the previous local strains but they are not what i would consider pure landraces. I try to look for lines that come from before that time, feeling these are commercial lines imported to the region, and we know for sure they where.

But saying that, these acclimatised hybrids with Indica in the blood are wonderful lines in their own right, they may have been selected field scale over generations. Not trying to do the who's line is pure thing, just a observation and feeling that is shared with a couple of breeders i talk with.

peace, hhf

 

[la mano negra]

Hola

Shuruma o souruma from Moçambique

 

[elkhunter]

C99 is ( male JH from same bud as princess x shiva skunk) crossed back to the original princess cut multiple times....

 

[Guest]

Im sure the Skunks hit Colombia and Mexico en masse in the mid to late '70's..to me there is a clear dividing line at that point. Those lines that come from before are very different genetics to those that come after. Some of these plants we see as 'golds' are to my mind acclimatised 'Skunk type' hybrids, with Indica in their blood. Maybe hybrids with the previous local strains but they are not what i would consider pure landraces. I try to look for lines that come from before that time, feeling these are commercial lines imported to the region, and we know for sure they where.

But saying that, these acclimatised hybrids with Indica in the blood are wonderful lines in their own right, they may have been selected field scale over generations. Not trying to do the who's line is pure thing, just a observation and feeling that is shared with a couple of breeders i talk with.

I agree, there are indica genes to be found in some S American lines for sure. That Mexican I posted pics of is definitely pure sativa, was preserved in Cali, but the BSC Colombian Gold I have could definitely have some indica in it. The CG has less stretch and looks quite indica in veg, it's stems are thicker and stronger, she has a lot of frost for a sativa and can be taken in 12 weeks indoors although I prefer to let them go 14. The high is somewhat different from other pure sats, it's not all in the head, it's more mellow, balanced and relaxing than my Mexican or Thai. If I was a betting man I'd say it does have a little indica influence in her makeup, perhaps only 10% as it's definitely close to pure sativa. I have a Thai and a Thai x Afghan, the way the Afghan genes altered the characteristics of the Thai - more frost, less stretch, shorter flowering time, make the Thai x Afghan closer to the Colombian Gold in characteristics that the pure Thai is, also, the Thai x Afghan has a similarly balanced high like the Colombian. I'd love to try growing some other Colombian Gold lines as I reckon there is a pure sativa CG out there and the BSC one I have is very close, but has a little indica influence somewhere in its past. However, the stability of the BSC CG suggests it was many gens ago that the indica genes were introduced into her. I reckon this indica influence has improved her somewhat as she is shorter, faster and more suited to indoor growing than the other pure sats I've grown. I wonder how much the effect differs from a pure sat CG, the taste of sandalwood incense, just like DJ Short describes is exactly like the 70s CG and every single one of my friends who has sampled her thinks she is worthy of being called an all-time classic due to her unique flavour and effect, they all appreciate the way she gets you all relaxed and hapy, with a big smile on your face but allows you to still think and function, it is my daytime smoke of choice and will continue to be for a long time.

So whether a S American seedline contains indica genes or not is largely irrelevant, its the quality of that seedline that counts. I love pure sats like the Mexican, Thai etc. but I do think that these landrace pure sats benefit much from outcrossing, the Zamal/Haze is a great example, pure Zamal takes 20 or more weeks and has other drawbacks, be tricky to grow indoors, but adding the Neville's Haze (which has some indica genes) has made her perfectly possible indoors (even to a less experienced grower like me) yet the Zamal taste and effect has been preserved to a large extent, not that I've tried pure Zamal, but the descriptions of others sound spot on.

If I lived somewehre warm and sunny with a long enough season to grow pure Mexicans, Thais etc outdoors, I'd grow them in their pure form, but as I'm at 53N I have to grow them indoors and although they do produce some quality end product, I do think taming them a bit is a good idea, hence I've pollinated some of the small lower buds on that Mexican with C99 pollen, with some careful selection I should be able to get something with the Mexican taste and effect but mush shorter flowering and less lanky.

Although I keep the Colombian Gold and Zamal/Haze in pure form as mothers, I also plan to cross the Zamal/Haze with Belladonna by Paradise seeds as that is a Skunk with 8 week flowering, big yield, less stretch but has a psychedelic heady high effect, sounds ideal to cross to the Zamal with it's electric psychedlic rushing trippy effect.

I got absolutely out of my tree on a couple of joints of Zamal this weekend, all my friends thoguht someone had spiked my drink, but it was just the Zamal, I was tripping and as I only had 6 single shots of Jack Daniels (mixed with coke) to drink, I can't say the alcohol was to blame, one of the best psychedelic experiences I've had, only comparable experience was when I smoked some brickpack Mexican in Cancun that caused mild visual and auditory hallucinations and had the blood pounding in my head, my heart racing, but also an uncomfortable level of paranoia.

 

[Cannapits]

Belladonna is a great plant...one of my favorite smells and highs...thanks for the reminder to start more.peace

 

[Raco]

I agree, there are indica genes to be found in some S American lines for sure. That Mexican I posted pics of is definitely pure sativa, was preserved in Cali, but the BSC Colombian Gold I have could definitely have some indica in it. The CG has less stretch and looks quite indica in veg, it's stems are thicker and stronger, she has a lot of frost for a sativa and can be taken in 12 weeks indoors although I prefer to let them go 14. The high is somewhat different from other pure sats, it's not all in the head, it's more mellow, balanced and relaxing than my Mexican or Thai. If I was a betting man I'd say it does have a little indica influence in her makeup, perhaps only 10% as it's definitely close to pure sativa. I have a Thai and a Thai x Afghan, the way the Afghan genes altered the characteristics of the Thai - more frost, less stretch, shorter flowering time, make the Thai x Afghan closer to the Colombian Gold in characteristics that the pure Thai is, also, the Thai x Afghan has a similarly balanced high like the Colombian. I'd love to try growing some other Colombian Gold lines as I reckon there is a pure sativa CG out there and the BSC one I have is very close, but has a little indica influence somewhere in its past. However, the stability of the BSC CG suggests it was many gens ago that the indica genes were introduced into her. I reckon this indica influence has improved her somewhat as she is shorter, faster and more suited to indoor growing than the other pure sats I've grown. I wonder how much the effect differs from a pure sat CG, the taste of sandalwood incense, just like DJ Short describes is exactly like the 70s CG and every single one of my friends who has sampled her thinks she is worthy of being called an all-time classic due to her unique flavour and effect, they all appreciate the way she gets you all relaxed and hapy, with a big smile on your face but allows you to still think and function, it is my daytime smoke of choice and will continue to be for a long time.

So whether a S American seedline contains indica genes or not is largely irrelevant, its the quality of that seedline that counts. I love pure sats like the Mexican, Thai etc. but I do think that these landrace pure sats benefit much from outcrossing, the Zamal/Haze is a great example, pure Zamal takes 20 or more weeks and has other drawbacks, be tricky to grow indoors, but adding the Neville's Haze (which has some indica genes) has made her perfectly possible indoors (even to a less experienced grower like me) yet the Zamal taste and effect has been preserved to a large extent, not that I've tried pure Zamal, but the descriptions of others sound spot on.

If I lived somewehre warm and sunny with a long enough season to grow pure Mexicans, Thais etc outdoors, I'd grow them in their pure form, but as I'm at 53N I have to grow them indoors and although they do produce some quality end product, I do think taming them a bit is a good idea, hence I've pollinated some of the small lower buds on that Mexican with C99 pollen, with some careful selection I should be able to get something with the Mexican taste and effect but mush shorter flowering and less lanky.

Although I keep the Colombian Gold and Zamal/Haze in pure form as mothers, I also plan to cross the Zamal/Haze with Belladonna by Paradise seeds as that is a Skunk with 8 week flowering, big yield, less stretch but has a psychedelic heady high effect, sounds ideal to cross to the Zamal with it's electric psychedlic rushing trippy effect.

I got absolutely out of my tree on a couple of joints of Zamal this weekend, all my friends thoguht someone had spiked my drink, but it was just the Zamal, I was tripping and as I only had 6 single shots of Jack Daniels (mixed with coke) to drink, I can't say the alcohol was to blame, one of the best psychedelic experiences I've had, only comparable experience was when I smoked some brickpack Mexican in Cancun that caused mild visual and auditory hallucinations and had the blood pounding in my head, my heart racing, but also an uncomfortable level of paranoia.

Nice posts ^^^
I like to think about the "tropicalization of the afghans" :smile:

 

[tornado]

neville's & kali mist

 

[ngakpa]

yeh - also, if you look at the range of ethnic groups which have been in S America since before even the 20th century, it is possible that there have been indica genes present for quite a while

for instance there has been a signficant presence of Pashtun Afghans in Guyana and Suriname since the mid-19th century

so who knows ... I think it's possible that indica genes have been present in the Caribbean since pre-20th century too

cheers,

Namkha

 

[Guest]

So whether a S American seedline contains indica genes or not is largely irrelevant,

Irrelevant to the cultivator, to the preservationist a whole different ballgame. Thanks for sharing BH, enjoyed..

I like to think about the "tropicalization of the afghans"

Yeh, bro thats a great way of looking at it...

Peace, hhf