Strange Slime buildup on roots

[Ioni Botani]

For beginning signs of this slime and wilting roots, direct application of h202 or "Hydrogen Peroxide" to the slime infested roots, I repeat DIRECT APPLICATION of h202 to roots will melt the slime before your eyes. Ioni presume just upkeep and preventative action thereafter would be sufficient. RR your thoughts on this? Great thread man.

 

[grapeman]

You need to check out this thread
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55259

Read everything Richie Rich says. All else is guessing. This guy has nailed the problem and YOU NEED to read the thread. It is like 42 pages but the answers are there. The chemical cure is Physan 20, but read all of it as the solutions come late in the thread

 

[darkhollo]

When using EWC tea to inoculate a rez/system.. what rate do you start with per gallon?
What rate are you applying weekly to keep the population up?

Great thread. Good read. Wish i had read earlier. I just sterilzied by whole setup with high percentage h202, bit of bleach solution etc. I brew EWC tea all the time for the veggie garden and now I can just siphon some off for the hydro.

--dh

 

[robertmarley]

^^ I got the same questions..

 

[richyrich]

This is post #452 below from June this year.

This was advice for use in an EZ Cloner. Same applies for your rez or DWC buckets. If you follow the simple EWC Tea formula, then you really can't add too much. Too little, then you might not get the benefits... you should get the drift. MAKE SURE you replenish the colony around ever 3rd day.

Jupiter, welcome to the slime club.

Keep it simple with the ewc tea. 3 gallons of RO water. Add 1-2 cups of ewc and just a tad of molasses and that is it. Do not add humic acids or kelp. It is food for the microbes including the slime.

Do not add any molasses (food) to the cloner. You only want to add a couple of cups of ewc tea every 3rd day to replenish. Do not feed the microbes within, just replace them. The food could of been your problem. Always clean your unit with Physan20. I add power cloner solution made by botanicare to the water and away it goes. That is it.

 

[richyrich]

I would advise all to start reading at post #301 if you want to start reading about the solutions to the hydro herpe -- slime.

I'm out for now. Good luck growing all. The curse is over.

 

[darkhollo]

Jupiter, welcome to the slime club.

Keep it simple with the ewc tea. 3 gallons of RO water. Add 1-2 cups of ewc and just a tad of molasses and that is it. Do not add humic acids or kelp. It is food for the microbes including the slime.

Do not add any molasses (food) to the cloner. You only want to add a couple of cups of ewc tea every 3rd day to replenish. Do not feed the microbes within, just replace them. The food could of been your problem. Always clean your unit with Physan20. I add power cloner solution made by botanicare to the water and away it goes. That is it.

I see this post but this is a for a cloner of an unknown size. I was wondering for more specifics. I have the recipe for EWC tea but I was wondering how much you were adding per gallon. A couple of cups for a cloner? How many gallons does the cloner hold? I wouldn't imagine many. So if I wanted to inoculate a 30 gallon RDWC setup.. i would imagine we are talking gallons of EWC.

BTW - tea recipe from the organic soil forum is
1 cup of EWC
5 Tbs of unsulphured molasses
5 gallons of water

--dh

 

[richyrich]

This is post #452 below from June this year.

This was advice for use in an EZ Cloner. Same applies for your rez or DWC buckets. If you follow the simple EWC Tea formula, then you really can't add too much. Too little, then you might not get the benefits... you should get the drift. MAKE SURE you replenish the colony around ever 3rd day.

I take it the drift is un-obtainable. EZ Cloners range from 5-12 gallons. A simple search would of yielded that answer. Just say the cloner is 10 gallons.

"If the seeing blind must be led..."

Just use 1-2 cups per 10 gallons. That is more than plenty.

 

[robertmarley]

Every three days is a pain in the ass uh, is there any solutions to keeping them around without having to reinnoculate every third day?

I would see the only reason for having slime issues when adding enzymes is becuase there producing carbs and no good microbes are there to eat them.. adding enzymes with beneficials should work in conjuction as a great combination, after i run the benes for a while im gonna do a side experiment and see how that works out..


we get the drift richy..

not like i havent done tons of searching or research on the matter.. there just isnt much that comes up. One other thing I dont understand is why EWC tea requires replacement every 3rd day and other off the shelf products like piranha etc dont require more than one innoculation..

Also what happens to the beneficial bacteria as it dies off? becomes food for bad things? seems an enzyme could work well in conjuction with them..


again, not so worried about cloning, more so about ewc application in my circulating system and not too much comes up in regards..

 

[richyrich]

Hydro, cloner... same thing. Apply the same directions to both. The answers to every specific combination of questions you ask are within this thread. You have to put the puzzle pieces together to answer your questions. If you do not understand the puzzle pieces, re-read until you do. There is a reason not to use enzymes in hydro. There is a reason to replenish often. The current advice is not to feed them. Only add more as they die off. Using enzymes is jet fuel for slime. Also, microbes don't have anything to attach to in hydro as good as in a soil or coco type medium. Look at a bottle of AquaShield (old Hydroguard) it says to apply every 4-7 days for hydro. For soil it says every 30-60 days. Same reason. Every 3 days is not a hard fast rule. It is what I found best for myself. Play around with it and find out what works for you. That is how you dial in your grow.

 

[robertmarley]

When brewing your ewc does it need to be kept lightproof? since theres some nitrogen in it when light hits it doesnt i cause algae? I see that you store yours in the refrigerator.. sounds like a decent solution to not mixing the shit every 3 days, also read somewhere else you can freeze it. But once again, light doesnt cause problems?

I brewed some up but im weary of putting it into my cloner becuase its not 100% light proof and I dont want to get algae problems from that...


*Edit*
Does the ewc contain bacillus and Mychorhizal Fung?

 

[richyrich]

I wouldn't worry about the light when brewing. You only need to brew for 24 hours. Could do 48 if you want to make them multiply more. Not sure exactly what types are in there. I know you get beneficial bacteria, fungi (myces) and protozoa. Can't get all of them out of a bottle at the shop. It does the job alone. If u want to make a cocktail like I have, add some AguaShield for the bacillus. Add a little Great White powder for a full array of benes. Make them multiply in the brew. You will have a super colony ready to go. I have even added Great White powder to my rez without EWC tea. It works, just have to know how to use it. Do not add sugar or carb products to any hydro system such as carbo load, sweet and etc. Read labels. They work great in soil, coco, and feeding benes in a tea brew.

I'll tell you what will do you know wrong and is super easy in hydro. Flora Nova and Floralicious; they are all you need. Nova has plenty of cal and mag. Floralicious makes wonderful tasting and smelling buds. I first started with this before the slime and my friends, old smoking heads, said my first crops were the best ever. Then I started getting caught up in all the nutrient and supplement hype. Then I ran into all kinds of problems. A lot of people call these things snake oils. You don't need them. KISS

 

[SteelCitySensi]

Update. I've been using this tea in my DWC with great results. Just the base tea now combined with the GH 3 part system. Some EWC gunk has been on the roots but it seems to be beneficial and not anaerobic: the roots are super white still, growing by leaps and bounds every day. Havent changed my rez for 3 weeks, add some new brew in every 3-4 days. Ph doesnt move, solid at 6.0 with 83 degree rez temps. Who needs a water chiller? Not me with my EWC tea.

I have the same plants in soil and the DWC, and the DWC plants are almost double in size and stalks 3x as thick.

I've been researching EWC tea in various university studies, research is what I do. But anyhoo, I've come across this many times, there is no need to use distilled water or RO water. Their studies have found that it performs the worst of all other types of water. regular tap water is fine, the microorganisms far far outweigh the chlorine + chloramines. I've been using straight tap with no negative effects.

http://books.google.com/books?id=cH...sult&ct=result&resnum=10#v=onepage&q=&f=false

 

[richyrich]

Who would of thought you could get away with 83 temps, especially in DWC. Good going.

 

[richyrich]

I have seen the same question ongoing in another forum. It took me 1 simple search to find the answer. Maybe more belief will come from a company that makes tea products. Do a google on Vermi T. Here is a cut and paste from their website.

1. How long does the Vermi T liquid Solution last after dispensed from the Extractor?
Vermi T Solution will last for 12-24 hrs at room temperature or 7-10 days in the refrigerator. Vermi T should smell earthy and fresh. Smells objectionable when bad

2. At what rate do I apply Vermi T Solution to my plants?
For Soil: Dilute with water at a rate of 75 ml to gallon (1:50) Vermi to water. Apply directly to soil over root zone. For Hydroponics: Dilute with water at a rate of 75 ml to gallon (1:50) Vermi to water. Reintroduce Vermi T to your Hydroponics garden every 7-10 days

This company recommends 1/3 of a cup per gallon. ***[Correction, I spaced.] I say use 1-2 cups per 10 gallons as said before, just a few posts ago; post #626. *** I have not pulled this out of the air. Have some faith in what you are reading in this thread. It was not made up out of thin air and if you read and re-read, the answers are in here.

 

[darkhollo]

It's my thread that you are probably speaking of in the organic hydro forum. It's not that I don't believe you I was just looking for people using EWC in the same fashion. someone there posted a link to another tea manufacturer and they state in an article for hydro "1:50 ratio EWC:water in gallons"

This thread is a sticky in the infirmary and I don't doubt what you are saying. I have read the thread but sometimes it's hard to glean info as the thread progresses. People find a solution and the solution is tweaked over time, coming to a general consensus on what is the best dosage rate.

I did a quick test with tomotoe cuttings in my cloner and got the slime again but I maybe have been impatient with my EWC brew and I didn't fully clean the mini-cloner. I just got some physon20 and I'm about to go another round. After I got the slime once the cloner has been unusable. blah.

Thanks for the thread. Now I just have to perfect the solution for my setup.

--dh

 

[richyrich]

It was not an issue of belief. It was just about following advice.

I doubt you will find anyone prior to this thread in these forums using EWC Tea in their hydro set-ups. At least, I couldn't find anyone or anything on it with the search function.

More advice for anyone that may have not caught on yet:

Nothing out of a bottle from a store will give you the diversity you can make for so cheap yourself. Except, maybe that VermiT stuff I mentioned. But, they charge about $25 for a gallon.

You could use pirahna, tarantula, sub-culture, AquaShield, and on n on. They like to bottle all of their stuff separate more maximum $$$. And then most direct you to feed the microbes. This is fine in soil or coco, but it will result in absolute failure in a hydro set-up. If you don't get the slime you will get an over abundance of bene microbes and it will look like slime, too; biofilm. It will suffocate your roots, too.

So, only add the most diverse amount of microbes to your set-up. Only feed them in the brew and not in your system. Make EWC Tea, the absolute cheapest and most diverse colony, or buy bottles from the store, but you will have to mix multiple bottles to get full protection. DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT FEED THE COLONY IN YOUR HYDRO SET-UP/SYSTEM. That means NO carb or enzyme products.

 

[stonedm]

does anyone know if root rot can be transferred thru a seed. like if you take a cutting from an infected mother, the clone will be infected. if you pollinate an infected mother will the seeds grow to have root rot or no. I would think that the seeds might be more resistant to root rot but i'm not sure. I ask because due to complicated moving situations my 2 favorite mothers (bubble gum and blueberry) have gotten root rot. i have some pollen from a bubble gum male and wanted to pollinate both of the mothers but not if the rot will transferr thru the seeds. Any help would be much appreciated.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

No, root rot/pythium is not hereditary. It is an environmental cause, usually too high res temps and too little dissolved oxygen in the water.

 

[robertmarley]

It would be nice to know what exactly is in the tea so supplmenting it if needed would be easier.

I had a batch of clones go sour and tried to add tea 6 days in but think i lost them anyway... think my superthrive was old and gone bad becuase teh cap fell apart and air got to it, the clones seem to have some kind of clear goop on them that looks as if the cloning gel never washed away but i highly doubt thats the case.. From what your saying I should add 8-16 cups of ewc tea if my cloner has 8 gallons of water in it? (32 gal rubbermaid) then proceed to only add 2 cups after every three days..

Gonna go gun ho tea in there from the get go and see what happens with this round.

richy I looked up that root excelurator stuff and from what I read seems to be some potent shit, would be nice to know whats in there.. pretty expensive and there pretty secretive about product description but i'd bet it's something simple. Considering this one as an additional supplement to the lineup.


The tea I mixed up for my first batch seems to have helped my momma's in the dirt but after letting it brew 48 hours it doesnt smell so hot anymore, time to toss it.. are you guys reusing your filters that your slinging into the buckets or getting new ones everytime? washing the buckets?



Steelcity, is your setup recirculating? you got a journal of your setup anywhere? would be nice to see