Storm in Valencia
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It's the worst one ever and causing so many problems.
graser
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... and it won't be the last.
Anyone who still denies climate change is too blind to see.
Hasch
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Imo more like: they don't want to acknowledge it (denial).
Maybe because otherwise they would feel some responsibility for keeping up with the "old" ways of living and wasting resources.
Rocket Soul
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Its heart warming to hear people notice 
The stuff i hear from my many Spanish friends, and the fact that the first i knew about this was from CNN, not swe-news, made me realize that this one was a big one, most people ive talked to have friends or aquaintses affected in some way. Its at least 155 dead and counting, looks like at least 300, there are still many missing. Trailer trucks pulled away by waters turning main streets into rapids, not rivers. People going downstairs to examine their first floor which was flooded to the ceiling the nigh before only to find a random dead guy in their house living room. No power. Just a huge mess. The rainfall of an entire year in less than an hour, 12"/300 mm rain!
The stuff i hear from my many Spanish friends, and the fact that the first i knew about this was from CNN, not swe-news, made me realize that this one was a big one, most people ive talked to have friends or aquaintses affected in some way. Its at least 155 dead and counting, looks like at least 300, there are still many missing. Trailer trucks pulled away by waters turning main streets into rapids, not rivers. People going downstairs to examine their first floor which was flooded to the ceiling the nigh before only to find a random dead guy in their house living room. No power. Just a huge mess. The rainfall of an entire year in less than an hour, 12"/300 mm rain!
Rocket Soul
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It reminds me a bit of tragedies from the past in my home country; things so big that everyone knows of someone with either direct affectation or lost friends or family. Thailand tsunami struck incredibly hard here, very surprising but a lot of swedes where holidaing or with properties there. Hopes and prayers always sounds like a platitude for me, mis simpatias y animos hacia ti y tus querridos y tod@s afectados
Behind every shadow theres a Great Light.
Edit: its always hard to see these things from afar, my flat in bcn had some water damage/flooding during Gloria in -20; a bit worried and hope everything is fine there aswell...
the "authorities" make the worst management can do. only the solidarity between normal people make the things go better, hard lesson to learn, solo el pueblo salva al pueblo, not to mention government of valencia are climate change negacionist . You can`t control climate , maybe star to think in control capitalism. Hope duby and his team are ok.
Rocket Soul
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Things seem to work out quite well in Spain, but mainly due to divine providence and mostly despite government intervention. Many times i feel Spain is both the black sheep and in the same time favorite child of all Gods creations: so many times were fucked but then saved in the nick of time by something looking suspiciously random: like God winking at us saying "I got you, Bro 
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Anyone who saw the initial enactment of the drought law (started raining the day after it went thru parliament after a long rime of haggling and drought; well at least in our area) and the case of Pulpo Paul, the worldcup match guessing octopuss (who else is a future divining octopus going favor!?!? Sweden, or another rational place which doesnt live in the sublime surreal mystery? Please...) will eventually either go nuts or become superstitiously religious.
But this doesnt help the poor affected. But in Spain were likely favoured both by God and the Devil - sometimes its expressed thru comedy but sometimes thru tragedy. I became at least somewhat religious or believing in fate here and im very grateful for it, its better to live in mythos than reality...
"Anyone who saw the initial enactment of the drought law (started raining the day after it went thru parliament after a long rime of haggling and drought; well at least in our area) and the case of Pulpo Paul, the worldcup match guessing octopuss (who else is a future divining octopus going favor!?!? Sweden, or another rational place which doesnt live in the sublime surreal mystery? Please...) will eventually either go nuts or become superstitiously religious.
But this doesnt help the poor affected. But in Spain were likely favoured both by God and the Devil - sometimes its expressed thru comedy but sometimes thru tragedy. I became at least somewhat religious or believing in fate here and im very grateful for it, its better to live in mythos than reality...
Rocket Soul
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As we have gathered the attention of at least a few Spaniards here in the thread (entonces is a dead giveaway...) id like to take the opportunity to ask you guys: do yall know anything about the strain Kate Mate? Ive never seen seeds on sale anywhere and the only online mention referred to something about Osuna. If anyone knows anything then please PM me as i dont wanna derail the thread with my investigations in green mysteries just to say it was one of my absolute fave happy/anti depression strains. Just taking an opportunity when it presents itself...
Eltitoguay
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Fuerza a tod@s l@s valencian@s, y castellan@s-mancheg@s orientales.
Se que mi primo @el mani y l@s suy@s estan viv@s y "bien".
@dubi is another of our valencian cousins... ¿Todo bien, @dubi?
Fortunately, I am from the Southwest of Castilla-La Mancha, since the east zones closest to the Valencian Autonomous Comunity of my own Autonomous Community, are devastated.
Fuerza, mi gente...
Se que mi primo @el mani y l@s suy@s estan viv@s y "bien".
@dubi is another of our valencian cousins... ¿Todo bien, @dubi?
Fortunately, I am from the Southwest of Castilla-La Mancha, since the east zones closest to the Valencian Autonomous Comunity of my own Autonomous Community, are devastated.
Fuerza, mi gente...
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Rocket Soul
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Ole Tito!Fuerza a tod@s l@s valencian@s, y castellan@s-mancheg@s orientales.
Se que mi primo @el mani y l@s suy@s estan viv@s y "bien".
@dubi is another of our valencian cousins... ¿Todo bien, @dubi?
Fortunately, I am from the Southwest of Castilla-La Mancha, since the east zones closest to the Valencian Autonomous Comunity of my own Autonomous Community, are devastated.
Fuerza, mi gente...
Los imagenes llaman la atencion tanto a la tragedia como la fortaleza del pais, tocando corazon. Siendo Sueco en España me da la sensacion que tod@s los Espanish miran hacia nostoros para inspiracion de lo que debe ser un pais (mucho en error en mi opinion). Yo miro a España impresionado, o quizas mas hacia los españoles (incluyendo cada uno de los "mini paises" de la tierra) con mucha admiracion de lo que es la vida alli y lo he hecho mi casa aunque ahora la vida me ha llevado de vuelta a Suecia por una temporada.
Mucha Fuerza y animo a tod@s y que viva la solidaridad!
Eltitoguay
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There are already more than 200 recovered dead, but there are still hundreds missing.
The tunnels and underground parking lots have acted as "black holes" sucking vehicles and people off the street, and each of these "death traps" that can be inspected can increase the number of victims.
The autonomous government of Valencia (coalition of the right-wing Popular Party majority and ultra-right VOX minority), where there are the most deaths, has taken 4 days to request and allow the central government (coalition of a social democratic majority and a socialist-communist minority) to send the powerful help of the Military Emergency Unit. The central government has not wanted to relieve the regional government of its functions due to ineptitude, "to avoid a political-institutional-democratic crisis."
(In my Autonomous Community, Castilla-La Mancha, the army was able to act from the first moment)
Thousands of citizen volunteers go every day to the most affected areas to collaborate until curfew.
The tunnels and underground parking lots have acted as "black holes" sucking vehicles and people off the street, and each of these "death traps" that can be inspected can increase the number of victims.
The autonomous government of Valencia (coalition of the right-wing Popular Party majority and ultra-right VOX minority), where there are the most deaths, has taken 4 days to request and allow the central government (coalition of a social democratic majority and a socialist-communist minority) to send the powerful help of the Military Emergency Unit. The central government has not wanted to relieve the regional government of its functions due to ineptitude, "to avoid a political-institutional-democratic crisis."
(In my Autonomous Community, Castilla-La Mancha, the army was able to act from the first moment)
Thousands of citizen volunteers go every day to the most affected areas to collaborate until curfew.
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Eltitoguay
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In the east of Castilla-La Mancha :
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Rocket Soul
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No side in the endless drama of Spanish politics seems able to not politicize this. I have no comment but im glad i cannot vote nor feel any responsibility of the mess of left/right national politics.
i love the outdoors and wildlife more than life itself, but you have to remember...Mother Nature can be a bitch, if riled up. i think she's pissed.
My family and ACE are safe, but many villages in southern Valencia have been devastated, almost like a tsunami. Over 200 people have lost their lives, and hundreds are still missing, with around 150,000 people affected by the floods.
Government response and prevention have been negligent. The official alert was issued only after the flooding had already begun, and it took the military 3-5 days to arrive and start helping. Thousands of citizen volunteers had to organize spontaneously, bringing water, food, and assistance for clearing water and mud. It has been a powerful lesson in citizens' solidarity versus government inefficiency. Yesterday, both our king and president visited the affected area, and they had to run away from the angry crowd.
Very sad days here.
Government response and prevention have been negligent. The official alert was issued only after the flooding had already begun, and it took the military 3-5 days to arrive and start helping. Thousands of citizen volunteers had to organize spontaneously, bringing water, food, and assistance for clearing water and mud. It has been a powerful lesson in citizens' solidarity versus government inefficiency. Yesterday, both our king and president visited the affected area, and they had to run away from the angry crowd.
Very sad days here.
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