Spider mites AKA The Borg

[Citizen024]

Just a comment on neem- the whole reason I even had spider mites is because I trusted neem. There are far too many mites resistant to it now. I brought in new clones, neemed them every other day for 2 weeks- thought I was good. Back in the day, that would have been the end of any spider mites.

But now- nope. And the same with pyrethrins. Waste of time. It's only a matter of time till there are more floramite resistant ones around.

 

[skoobie dew]

Trade off Floramite and Forbid. That way your changing it up on em. Forbid also goes straight from the top side of the leaf, making it really a really handy weapon on the first couple weeks of flowering when it is hard to get under every single bit of every single leaf. Floramite will only kill what it touches. They are both on the same level of hazardous materials, along with neem actually.

Azatrol or Azamax can be added to give em the neem on steroids beat down as well.

And if your feeling like want your plants to glow in the dark, dip clones in avid once and once only. Avid is on a more hazardous level, so I am not in favor of using it unless you absolutely must, and only then in early veg.

Actually forbid and floramite are not on the same level of hazardous materials with neem. That's the bigest load of S@$t I've read on this site. Please let me know how you can justify that comment. If it's true I will remove this post and replace it with an apology. Neem is nontoxic to humans, florimite will melt latex goves.

If you start dipping new clones, when they are new and manageable, and keep them in a separate environment from infested plants, you don't need to use nasty poisons like avid. At this point you might as well just spray your plants down with DDT. It's probably safer.

A rule of thumb I use regarding insecticide is weather or not a product can be used on vegetable crops. Avid is not allowed on vegetable crops in the u.s.. Florimite is allowed on small greenhouse tomato plants if you are going to grow them big.

I can even understand the use of florimite, and forbid on small plants that you are going to keep until they are REALLY big.

I know how hard it is to get rid of mites, but come on! Do you want to smoke something that has toxic poisons in it? I know there is a lot of money in growing & sometimes people get desperate. After the clone stage I urge you to try and use azamax, rather than florimite, avid and forbid.

Certainly don't use them after bud set. It isn't just illegal (I mean who on this site cares about that) It's immoral. You might as well start a speed lab, there's more profit in it & people know it's bad for them.
msds sheets & info-
http://www.ozonebiotech.com/msds/msds/MSDSNeemOil.doc
http://www.backedbybayer.com/BAYER/CropScience/BackedByBayer.nsf/F19074B49764B610852572F8005A3B13/$FILE/S%20Forbid%204F%2005-04-07.pdf
http://www.backedbybayer.com/BAYER/CropScience/BackedByBayer.nsf/F19074B49764B610852572F8005A3B13/$FILE/S%20Forbid%204F%2005-04-07.pdf
http://www.backedbybayer.com/bayer/cropscience/backedbybayer.nsf/files/PRGs/$file/Forbid_2007.pdf

edit---- I take it back about floramite. They have changed it's labeling to "3 days before harvest".

 

[kmk420kali]

Actually forbid and floramite are not on the same level of hazardous materials with neem. That's the bigest load of S@$t I've read on this site. Please let me know how you can justify that comment. If it's true I will remove this post and replace it with an apology. Neem is nontoxic to humans, florimite will melt latex goves.

If you start dipping new clones, when they are new and manageable, and keep them in a separate environment from infested plants, you don't need to use nasty poisons like avid. At this point you might as well just spray your plants down with DDT. It's probably safer.

A rule of thumb I use regarding insecticide is weather or not a product can be used on vegetable crops. Avid is not allowed on vegetable crops in the u.s.. Florimite is allowed on small greenhouse tomato plants if you are going to grow them big.

I can even understand the use of florimite, and forbid on small plants that you are going to keep until they are REALLY big.

I know how hard it is to get rid of mites, but come on! Do you want to smoke something that has toxic poisons in it? I know there is a lot of money in growing & sometimes people get desperate. After the clone stage I urge you to try and use azamax, rather than florimite, avid and forbid.

The question this brings to mind...is how do these pesticides act when burnt??
Eating it doesn't mean anything-- We (Smokers) do not eat it...so I wonder what the reactivity of these chemicals is once exposed to flame??
I know that some chemicals...are completely neutralized when exposed to excessive heat--
Just wonderin'--

 

[skoobie dew]

As a buyer, and a manager of teams of trimmers and packagers, she handled marijuana all day long every day for a decade. And that's what killed her. Not the marijuana, but pesticides which were both absorbed through her skin and inhaled and, possibly, ingested. Avid is the prime suspect

Full story- http://www.weedbay.net/forums/dr-to...-scene/6772-medical-marijuana-pesticides.html

 

[robertmarley]

I would just like to say that I had a serious issue with this on my last cycle and it was a bitch to get rid of. First off ordered floramite and hit everything mid flower (not recommended, but works) and by week it was slowly starting to creep back and then I threw in a no pest strip and it went away.

Moved all my vegging and moms into another room and bombed with floramite, then bombed the flowering room with it (after i chopped) and kept the no pest strip and so far so good on this second run... 5 weeks into flower with no sign.

SUMMARY, no pest strips worked and so did floramite, ran together

 

[HIGHGROOVE]

illtrade spider mites for powder mildew any day of the week lol

 

[kmk420kali]

As a buyer, and a manager of teams of trimmers and packagers, she handled marijuana all day long every day for a decade. And that's what killed her. Not the marijuana, but pesticides which were both absorbed through her skin and inhaled and, possibly, ingested. Avid is the prime suspect

Full story- http://www.weedbay.net/forums/dr-to...-scene/6772-medical-marijuana-pesticides.html

Thank you-- Things like this is what I am looking for!!
I don't use Avid, but I do use Floramite in early veg...I will be much more careful in the future--
Thanks again!!

 

[skoobie dew]

Florimite is legal on greenhouse tomatoes that. From what I understand it's used on tiny seedlings that grow into plats with a minimum of 1" trunk. I've used florimite & it works, but I usually only use it on incoming plants that I turn into mothers. I rotate in azatrol, pylon, pyrethurm, garlic oil, and neem. The neem is really to prevent bud rot.

 

[CalBear4Life]

Gotta love these things! I just found out yesterday that I have a small infestation of spider mites...please shoot me! If you are interested you can check out my grow diary in my sig.

I am going to buy some products today and was wondering if anyone has a schedule of when to use the different products in order to completely destroy these little fuckers? I am willing to try all different methods, but just want to make a schedule before I get to killing! I was thinking an insecticide like Floramite or Azatrol and then some neem oil and maybe a bomb...what do you think? How many days in between treatments? How do I make sure that they are gone forever?

Please help guys!!!!!

 

[ghostly]

calbear... me and you both. a double whammy...mites and mildew. frick!
got the sulfer burning.
i had hit the plants with avid as a preventive measure when i got the clones, no issues.
2 weeks into flower...bugs! lots of the lil jerks. i have bud sets, and 6 weeks til harvest, what can i do? spraying is not an option due to the size and configuration.

 

[4 Dragons]

Contrary to what some people have posted here Floramite SC can be used up until the day before harvest. They have some pretty cool spray bottles that you can turn the nozzle up so that you can spray the undersides of leaves. Floramite is also an ovacide so no more eggs, no more mites. Once all of the Borg are no longer assimilating your plants you will never need the floramite again unless of course you keep bringing in cuts that are questionable.
If you don't want to or can't spray you can try using a vacuum cleaner. Good luck

 

[j6p]

Spinosad is quick, effective, safe

Spinosad is quick, effective, safe

Spinosad will take out spider mites and thrips within 1 to 2 days. A fairly new product with extremely low toxicity, it doesn't hurt predator mites or ladybugs on plants ... Dogs eat it in pills for flea control.

The pest spray is concentrated; 1 pint costs $10 and makes gallons @ 2 tblspoon/gallon water. Then you spray it onto your plants. You can probably find it at a local garden store. Also Amazon has it in pints and quarts, links are below.

Green Light Organic Lawn & Garden Insect Control Spray With Spinosad - Pint #41116

Spinosad Garden Insect Spray 32 oz. by Monterey

It works great, and it won't contaminate your plants with poisons.

Spinosad might be an option for late flower infestations, because of its very low toxicity and rapid breakdown.

 

[Bazarocka]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FOR TOTAL BORG CONTROL~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"AZAMAX"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Cannalicious]

Kill me too. I am 35-42 weeks into blooming of my first medical marijuana grow. These are the pictures. Obviously they are getting fat, the California Hash has only a few cloudy trichomes, next to harvest will be the blue widow, the Utopia Haze only has white pistils, and the LSD obviously needs time.




On the Utopia Haze, I found this on the top of the leaf:




Under the blue widow, I found this:



And I found like 8 of these on the top of plants, and none under the leaves; what the hell is that? If I have webbing other than whatever below is, it's not much. I see single strands here and there, but I've had to keep the door open to the room due to heat issues. It could be hair from my dog or cat blowing in:



So, I am distraught and I've tried to read the thread but I'm just getting more confused.

Is neem oil bad at this point in blooming? I have some.

No matter what product I'll use, I don't understand how to spray. I have a spray pump mister. If I use that to spray the plants, I'm afraid I'll soak them trying to get under all the leaves. Do I need a motorized sprayer? How drenched do you get the leaves? My room is big, how should I clean it? I was thinking about taking all the plants out and spraying the walls and floors with bleach.

They will be in dark cycle until 7pm, Mountain Time. Should I wait until the lights go back on, or go in now and interrupt their night?

I want to take off every fan leaf that has necrotic spots. Comments on that one? (Some plants have alot, most don't have many but have some).

This random site, http://www.getridofthings.com/get-rid-of-spider-mites.htm says to use rubbing alcohol. Has anyone tried this?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Cannalicious]

When I click on one of the thumbnails above to see a bigger picture, it goes right to my gallery. Can anyone tell me how to fix that?

 

[grahambond]

Hallo guys, i'm a grower from Italy and from my experience neem oil and spinosad are not so effective in the spidermites treatment..
Once I got spidermites, i used spinosad but not with good results, neem oil was been applied as prevention during vegetative stage.. The only thing that helped me a little more is SMC oil spidermite control ... http://www.spidermitecontrol.com/
I reached the end of flower with no problems but i knew some of them were there waiting for the next grow....
I used hot vapor machine in all the grow room and then bleached (hard work....) and this is the 3rd grow without any bastards..

P.S. I would like to precise that SMC has a strange effect on leafs, seems a reaction to high lumens and the oil applied .... That is Canola oil or Canada Oil forbidden in Italy for alimentary use but not in Canada and US..

Anyone has ever tried SMC?
Bye

 

[skoobie dew]

SMC looks like an oil based product similar to sm90.

 

[Stumbleweed]

God dammit... I should have never bought clones from a dispensary... I noticed some active mites on my vegging G-13 plant (webs and everything towards the bottom... I feel like an idiot for not checking more regularly and letting it get that out of control). Anyway, that was in my veg room, and I removed the G-13 just to be safe, since it was the only one that I saw symptoms on.

Anyway, fast forward to today, I see my Trainwreck seedlings (in the same room,) with eggs under the leaves and a single adult mite (that I saw anyway) crawling around in my microscope. I freaked out since I thought I had eliminated the problem plant... but I was okay with just clearing out my veg room, cleaning it well, and starting over there. That was until...

I noticed them on my damn Juliet in flower! She's about a week in as of today and I noticed a few leaves towards the back were speckled... sure enough, eggs underneath and a few moving mites. It's a big plant (25+") and is a week into flower... I have another ~22" Godbud and a 15" Strawberry Cough... I didn't see any on the Cough, but the Godbud had a few speckled leaves with eggs as well.

Since I've started flowering but it's still early, would Floramite be a good choice for me? Do an application of that to all plants and then apply neem oil or another organic tea (garlic or something) to control them? I'm lost for solutions, as this is the first time I've grown in this space and the first time I've had bug problems. Are predatory mites worth a look if it's still an early infection? Use those in combination with a weekly neem treatment maybe?

The flowering room is a 4x4 HydroHut Silver and the veg room is a wooden armoir if that matters. I almost want to just fog the crap out of them and go nuclear so I don't have the problem coming back constantly, but I'm growing organic and didn't want to end up in this damned battle in the first place. Depressing... any help?

 

[chemman14]

azatrol is your friend

 

[Stumbleweed]

Thanks for the reply. I called my hydro shop and they only carry Azamax, but I understand it's basically the same thing. I'm gonna pick up some of that and some Einstein Oil just to be safe. Gonna try to up my humidity as well, because I'm in Colorado and it's a dry 31% inside my tent... just some open containers of water and some misting throughout the day I guess.

I might just axe my Trainwreck babies just to be safe for my next batch and clean out my veg chamber very well. I'm going to be in flowering with the big ones for another 7-8 weeks, which will be enough time to get back to the 10" or so that I have with these Trainwrecks with the Super Star (Sensi Star 2bx) seeds that I have sitting here. Fresh start with babies from seed, clean the hell out of my flower chamber when I'm done there, and apply neem from the get-go to stop them from showing up. No more outside clones either... seeds only for me, I can't risk that bullshit.